Best formula for returning to national dominance

[2011BisonAlumni]

The advantage of a time eating ground and pound offense & a dominate defense it that it save the energy of your defensive players. If you can limit the number of plays the defense has to hold to the 60 range, then they players will be able to maintain a high energy level to remain dominate.

Stitt's PLAN is to attack that approach, thus his focus on the high volume of plays. Execution is the key.

Yeah, and it worked so well last year! :roll:

Stitt also wants to use the hurry-up offense to wear down the defense and score quickly, which places the defense back on the field.

Defense wins championships, and it is proven every year in college and the NFL. Gimmick offenses don't.

It beat the national champion!

Not when it counted. Talk to me next December.

 

[Umista]

I may be one of the few that is glad atlanta got out of jail and is back posting on e-griz. Of course he is a radical poster but he does get tons of response from posters like myself that more often than not dis-agree with him.

His "formula" lacks the obvious point. That is the simple fact that the team with the best players usually wins the world's championship. The style and methods of play do not matter as much as the fact that great talent will nearly always win out.

One point always missed by male posters is the overall fact that many female fans love to watch football games among others that are not astute football experts. Hence they love to see the ball in the air and they get to enjoy the game much more. Running the ball is often not followed by these types of fans and they end up seeing a pile of players at the end of the run while not having a clue who had the ball or what just happend. Since the days of Don Read I have changed my views and have noted far more fans get to enjoy the game via the passing team vs the run up the gut style. One reason for the many fans at Wa-Griz is watching the "air offense" along with winning of course but some men need to notice the obvious and get in the game. Eh?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

NDSU and Alabama win because of one primary factor: recruiting. No need to explain anything about Alabama's recruiting edge. When NDSU was D-II, they were able to recruit FCS talent. At FCS level they recruit D-I talent. They loaded in the trenches with Big Ten caliber players from Minnesota who didn't want to play for the lowly Gophers and could stay close to home. Did you know Minnesota kids can go to Wis, Iowa, ND and SD schools at in state tuition due to reciprocity agreements? That's gotta help with the athletic budget and PFO's. Once you have the best players and good coaches, you win. You are correct about the defensive side of the ball, but from what I saw of their offense, NDSU's talent on offense could have run any offense and succeeded. We get a defensive makeup of players and scheme that can cause the offense to go 3 and out on their first 5 drives every game instead of giving up TD's every first drive and we take all the pressure off the offense. Denver's defense won the Superbowl. It's O was just serviceable. I'm OK with plugging holes with transfers on the D until Stitt's recruits work into starting positions.

Recruiting is very low on the list. NDSU does get a lot of talented players, but so do the rest of the powerhouse teams. NDSU does a better job of developing these players. Joe Haeg is one of the top tackles in this year's draft. Was a string bean walk on at NDSU. The strength and conditioning program is second to none in college football. Jim K. has been offered numerous times by bigger programs to leave and chooses not to.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

The advantage of a time eating ground and pound offense & a dominate defense it that it save the energy of your defensive players. If you can limit the number of plays the defense has to hold to the 60 range, then they players will be able to maintain a high energy level to remain dominate.

Stitt's PLAN is to attack that approach, thus his focus on the high volume of plays. Execution is the key.

Yeah, and it worked so well last year! :roll:

Stitt also wants to use the hurry-up offense to wear down the defense and score quickly, which places the defense back on the field.

Defense wins championships, and it is proven every year in college and the NFL. Gimmick offenses don't.

It beat the national champion!

Not when it counted. Talk to me next December.

I would say our 1st year coach batting .500 against the beezon is a pretty good start. Most coaches in the country aren't so lucky!

 

[grizcountry420]

NDSU and Alabama win because of one primary factor: recruiting. No need to explain anything about Alabama's recruiting edge. When NDSU was D-II, they were able to recruit FCS talent. At FCS level they recruit D-I talent. They loaded in the trenches with Big Ten caliber players from Minnesota who didn't want to play for the lowly Gophers and could stay close to home. Did you know Minnesota kids can go to Wis, Iowa, ND and SD schools at in state tuition due to reciprocity agreements? That's gotta help with the athletic budget and PFO's. Once you have the best players and good coaches, you win. You are correct about the defensive side of the ball, but from what I saw of their offense, NDSU's talent on offense could have run any offense and succeeded. We get a defensive makeup of players and scheme that can cause the offense to go 3 and out on their first 5 drives every game instead of giving up TD's every first drive and we take all the pressure off the offense. Denver's defense won the Superbowl. It's O was just serviceable. I'm OK with plugging holes with transfers on the D until Stitt's recruits work into starting positions.

Recruiting is very low on the list. NDSU does get a lot of talented players, but so do the rest of the powerhouse teams. NDSU does a better job of developing these players. Joe Haeg is one of the top tackles in this year's draft. Was a string bean walk on at NDSU. The strength and conditioning program is second to none in college football. Jim K. has been offered numerous times by bigger programs to leave and chooses not to.

Is this the secret to your strength and conditioning program?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6bStBzRjA[/youtube]

 

[grizindabox]

win championships......

 

[Glendivegriz]

Hey look it's growler posting the same topic he posts every 2-3 months on MB as well! Up next, how to win in-state recruiting!

I like how he basically just says give us Hauck's offense with Breske's defense, waive a wand, make it so, and we'll win. He doesn't take into account that programs change, offenses have become more dynamic, defenses plan better, there's newer and more innovative systems and designs out there that the old "blunt force" approach doesn't work well.

NDSU and Alabama win a crap-ton of games because of many things and yes winning at the line of scrimmage is part of it. But if someone thinks they're just saying, "run the ball well and don't let the other guys score much" like Growler is saying here... well you're not looking at the whole picture.

And FWIW I REALLY like what this coaching staff is doing here and what they're building towards.

As much as it pains me, I agree with Growler. Just thinking back, to establish a dynasty type program, the blunt force approach does seem to work the best. Oklahoma is a great example. In 2001, they won their last championship. The offense was decent and rather workman like, but the defense was stifling. Since then, they have had numerous high flying offensive schemes, Heisman winners, NFL players and no championship. The defense is exposed by the fast break offense against teams of equal talent. The defense is on the field way to much and wears down. The offenses lack of ability to hunker down and run the ball consistently is the key in my opinion. Approaches like Alabama, LSU, Florida, and U.S.C..

In the NFL, Seattle had it run by a grind it out run game and superior defense. Denver this year compared to two years ago is a totally different philosophy.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

NDSU and Alabama win because of one primary factor: recruiting. No need to explain anything about Alabama's recruiting edge. When NDSU was D-II, they were able to recruit FCS talent. At FCS level they recruit D-I talent. They loaded in the trenches with Big Ten caliber players from Minnesota who didn't want to play for the lowly Gophers and could stay close to home. Did you know Minnesota kids can go to Wis, Iowa, ND and SD schools at in state tuition due to reciprocity agreements? That's gotta help with the athletic budget and PFO's. Once you have the best players and good coaches, you win. You are correct about the defensive side of the ball, but from what I saw of their offense, NDSU's talent on offense could have run any offense and succeeded. We get a defensive makeup of players and scheme that can cause the offense to go 3 and out on their first 5 drives every game instead of giving up TD's every first drive and we take all the pressure off the offense. Denver's defense won the Superbowl. It's O was just serviceable. I'm OK with plugging holes with transfers on the D until Stitt's recruits work into starting positions.

Recruiting is very low on the list. NDSU does get a lot of talented players, but so do the rest of the powerhouse teams. NDSU does a better job of developing these players. Joe Haeg is one of the top tackles in this year's draft. Was a string bean walk on at NDSU. The strength and conditioning program is second to none in college football. Jim K. has been offered numerous times by bigger programs to leave and chooses not to.

Your fellow MVC teams are not getting these recruits. All you've said is Bison coaches have a better eye at determining which recruits have the most upside potential, and I agree. I'm not bashing NDSU's recruiting, I admire it as much as a sound "business model" and I have for two decades. I have family in Minnesota who have had their kids recruited by NDSU and UMinn, and I know how they sell NDSU over UMinn.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Nothing like regurgitating common knowledge and posting it as an original thought.

Just demonstrating what a pedestrian fan you are. Many many Griz fans love Stitt's aerial circus, and think that his approach is the formula for a National Championship. I give solid reasons why it is NOT. Yet you accuse me of "regurgitating common knowledge". Weak shit SlobGriz. Let's see what YOU got for us to return us to the glory years. I won't hold my breath.

Here's my formula: Have an offensive aerial circus that puts tons of points on the board AND have a shutdown defense that doesn't give up points.

You tend to win a lot of games when you score more points than the other guy.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Nothing like regurgitating common knowledge and posting it as an original thought.

Just demonstrating what a pedestrian fan you are. Many many Griz fans love Stitt's aerial circus, and think that his approach is the formula for a National Championship. I give solid reasons why it is NOT. Yet you accuse me of "regurgitating common knowledge". Weak shit SlobGriz. Let's see what YOU got for us to return us to the glory years. I won't hold my breath.

Here's my formula: Have an offensive aerial circus that puts tons of points on the board AND have a shutdown defense that doesn't give up points.

You tend to win a lot of games when you score more points than the other guy.

Greatest Show On Turf.

 

[srgrizizen]

Nothing like regurgitating common knowledge and posting it as an original thought.

Just demonstrating what a pedestrian fan you are. Many many Griz fans love Stitt's aerial circus, and think that his approach is the formula for a National Championship. I give solid reasons why it is NOT. Yet you accuse me of "regurgitating common knowledge". Weak shit SlobGriz. Let's see what YOU got for us to return us to the glory years. I won't hold my breath.

Here's my formula: Have an offensive aerial circus that puts tons of points on the board AND have a shutdown defense that doesn't give up points.

You tend to win a lot of games when you score more points than the other guy.

:thumb: Amazing that it took this long for someone to post a comment based on the brilliant observation that great offenses and defenses are not mutually exclusive. Just because you like fun, wide open offense doesn't mean you're necessarily neglecting the defense. If the Griz did develop the best defense in the FCS, I think some posters would want the 1957 Woody Hayes offense to compliment it. Yeah, it would work, but it wouldn't be necessary.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The formula for success is to have a great defense and a great offense. It's really very simple. You just have to recruit the best players in the country and have the best coaches in the country coaching them. No problem.

 

[RobGriz]

Nothing like regurgitating common knowledge and posting it as an original thought.

Just demonstrating what a pedestrian fan you are. Many many Griz fans love Stitt's aerial circus, and think that his approach is the formula for a National Championship. I give solid reasons why it is NOT. Yet you accuse me of "regurgitating common knowledge". Weak shit SlobGriz. Let's see what YOU got for us to return us to the glory years. I won't hold my breath.

Here's my formula: Have an offensive aerial circus that puts tons of points on the board AND have a shutdown defense that doesn't give up points.

You tend to win a lot of games when you score more points than the other guy.

You're obviously a "pedestrian" fan...

 

[krammer]

anyone who has ever coached knows that the best recruits, make the best coaches which equals more championships.....whether it is pee wee or pro.......this is assuming that the coach's are at least average in their profession.....

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Hey look it's growler posting the same topic he posts every 2-3 months on MB as well! Up next, how to win in-state recruiting!

I like how he basically just says give us Hauck's offense with Breske's defense, waive a wand, make it so, and we'll win.

I've been around here a while. Not as long as you have, but a while. I seem to remember Wolfman hating Hauck's system as well.

 

[bgbigdog]

Hey look it's growler posting the same topic he posts every 2-3 months on MB as well! Up next, how to win in-state recruiting!

I like how he basically just says give us Hauck's offense with Breske's defense, waive a wand, make it so, and we'll win.

I've been around here a while. Not as long as you have, but a while. I seem to remember Wolfman hating Hauck's system as well.

What? How could that be?

 

[griz5700]

NDSU and Alabama win because of one primary factor: recruiting. No need to explain anything about Alabama's recruiting edge. When NDSU was D-II, they were able to recruit FCS talent. At FCS level they recruit D-I talent. They loaded in the trenches with Big Ten caliber players from Minnesota who didn't want to play for the lowly Gophers and could stay close to home. Did you know Minnesota kids can go to Wis, Iowa, ND and SD schools at in state tuition due to reciprocity agreements? That's gotta help with the athletic budget and PFO's. Once you have the best players and good coaches, you win. You are correct about the defensive side of the ball, but from what I saw of their offense, NDSU's talent on offense could have run any offense and succeeded. We get a defensive makeup of players and scheme that can cause the offense to go 3 and out on their first 5 drives every game instead of giving up TD's every first drive and we take all the pressure off the offense. Denver's defense won the Superbowl. It's O was just serviceable. I'm OK with plugging holes with transfers on the D until Stitt's recruits work into starting positions.

It's way more than recruiting for ndsu. The most amazing part of their run is that they've done it with above average fcs talent.

Montana has a similar in state tuition reciprocity agreement with several western States. It's called WUE.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Hey look it's growler posting the same topic he posts every 2-3 months on MB as well! Up next, how to win in-state recruiting!

I like how he basically just says give us Hauck's offense with Breske's defense, waive a wand, make it so, and we'll win.

I've been around here a while. Not as long as you have, but a while. I seem to remember Wolfman hating Hauck's system as well.

This pedestrian fan lol'ed

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

NDSU and Alabama win because of one primary factor: recruiting. No need to explain anything about Alabama's recruiting edge. When NDSU was D-II, they were able to recruit FCS talent. At FCS level they recruit D-I talent. They loaded in the trenches with Big Ten caliber players from Minnesota who didn't want to play for the lowly Gophers and could stay close to home. Did you know Minnesota kids can go to Wis, Iowa, ND and SD schools at in state tuition due to reciprocity agreements? That's gotta help with the athletic budget and PFO's. Once you have the best players and good coaches, you win. You are correct about the defensive side of the ball, but from what I saw of their offense, NDSU's talent on offense could have run any offense and succeeded. We get a defensive makeup of players and scheme that can cause the offense to go 3 and out on their first 5 drives every game instead of giving up TD's every first drive and we take all the pressure off the offense. Denver's defense won the Superbowl. It's O was just serviceable. I'm OK with plugging holes with transfers on the D until Stitt's recruits work into starting positions.

Recruiting is very low on the list. NDSU does get a lot of talented players, but so do the rest of the powerhouse teams. NDSU does a better job of developing these players. Joe Haeg is one of the top tackles in this year's draft. Was a string bean walk on at NDSU. The strength and conditioning program is second to none in college football. Jim K. has been offered numerous times by bigger programs to leave and chooses not to.

Your fellow MVC teams are not getting these recruits. All you've said is Bison coaches have a better eye at determining which recruits have the most upside potential, and I agree. I'm not bashing NDSU's recruiting, I admire it as much as a sound "business model" and I have for two decades. I have family in Minnesota who have had their kids recruited by NDSU and UMinn, and I know how they sell NDSU over UMinn.

I disagree 100%. It is a crapshoot every year. UNI constantly has draft picks NDSU doesn't sign. David Johnson would have looked great in green and gold.

It isn't like NDSU is the only team allowed to recruit Minnesota. I would imagine Bob Stitt flying to Minneapolis would be as easy as flying to LA.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

NDSU and Alabama win because of one primary factor: recruiting. No need to explain anything about Alabama's recruiting edge. When NDSU was D-II, they were able to recruit FCS talent. At FCS level they recruit D-I talent. They loaded in the trenches with Big Ten caliber players from Minnesota who didn't want to play for the lowly Gophers and could stay close to home. Did you know Minnesota kids can go to Wis, Iowa, ND and SD schools at in state tuition due to reciprocity agreements? That's gotta help with the athletic budget and PFO's. Once you have the best players and good coaches, you win. You are correct about the defensive side of the ball, but from what I saw of their offense, NDSU's talent on offense could have run any offense and succeeded. We get a defensive makeup of players and scheme that can cause the offense to go 3 and out on their first 5 drives every game instead of giving up TD's every first drive and we take all the pressure off the offense. Denver's defense won the Superbowl. It's O was just serviceable. I'm OK with plugging holes with transfers on the D until Stitt's recruits work into starting positions.

Recruiting is very low on the list. NDSU does get a lot of talented players, but so do the rest of the powerhouse teams. NDSU does a better job of developing these players. Joe Haeg is one of the top tackles in this year's draft. Was a string bean walk on at NDSU. The strength and conditioning program is second to none in college football. Jim K. has been offered numerous times by bigger programs to leave and chooses not to.

Your fellow MVC teams are not getting these recruits. All you've said is Bison coaches have a better eye at determining which recruits have the most upside potential, and I agree. I'm not bashing NDSU's recruiting, I admire it as much as a sound "business model" and I have for two decades. I have family in Minnesota who have had their kids recruited by NDSU and UMinn, and I know how they sell NDSU over UMinn.

It isn't like NDSU is the only team allowed to recruit Minnesota. I would imagine Bob Stitt flying to Minneapolis would be as easy as flying to LA.

Only much shittier.