Beau Donaldson will plead guilty

[Phat Cat]

I feel sorry both both families in this case, no winner here at all.

I feel bad for the young woman he raped.

No shit. They were good friends and she only wanted to be friend with him. After doing this to her, she will have a big problem even trusting guy friends again. Let alone just guys. Sad....

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

If he does plead guilty, does it affect any of the investigations?

 

[goatcreekgriz]

An Alford plea is different from, and therefore not the same thing as, a guilty plea. If you plead guilty to rape, then you admit to rape. And you are scum. Let's move on.

 

[BelierPeaux]

It literally means he is guilty. No gray area there. A guilty plea is an admission of guilt. If he didn't do it, yet is pleading guilty, then he was the worst legal counsel in Montana, because he is now a sex offender for life, and will have to notify his neighbors where ever he lives after he gets out of prison.

What the hell are you babbling about now? :shock:

Sex offenders don't have to notify their neighbors in MT. It's bull crap. Our state is incredibly lenient on sex offenders. However, you can search for sexual/violent offenders in your area online here:

http://svcalt.mt.gov/svor/search.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That bad thing is that they aren't always good at getting current info up in a timely manner. We had a level 3 violent/sexual offender move into our neighborhood a while back and it wasn't updated for half a year, though we knew it much before that . . .

 

[pussycatkillerz]

It literally means he is guilty. No gray area there. A guilty plea is an admission of guilt. If he didn't do it, yet is pleading guilty, then he was the worst legal counsel in Montana, because he is now a sex offender for life, and will have to notify his neighbors where ever he lives after he gets out of prison.

What the hell are you babbling about now? :shock:

Sex offenders don't have to notify their neighbors in MT. It's bull crap. Our state is incredibly lenient on sex offenders. However, you can search for sexual/violent offenders in your area online here:

http://svcalt.mt.gov/svor/search.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That bad thing is that they aren't always good at getting current info up in a timely manner. We had a level 3 violent/sexual offender move into our neighborhood a while back and it wasn't updated for half a year, though we knew it much before that . . .

It's pretty f***(**) up how many sexual predators live within a mile of my house. I live in a decent part of town and have my first kid about to be born.... Lovely

 

[TxGriz]

Without knowing any facts of this case other than was has been rehashed on this board, but giving benefit of the doubt and saying that he is capable of remorse (as opposed to being driven by some uncontrollable pathology), that he may have been caught in a position as a "football player" and felt some sense of celebrity entitlement over that, you could say he is, at least in part, a victim of circumstances and I wouldn't want him or JJ to carry around a lifelong brand of sexual offender if that were the case.

Sad day for all concerned and hopefully he will get a shot at redemption. (BTW, redemption doesn't mean exoneration, it means acceptance of responsibility, penance and a second chance).

 

[Sportin' Life]

, that he may have been caught in a position as a "football player" and felt some sense of celebrity entitlement over that, you could say he is, at least in part, a victim of circumstances and I wouldn't want him or JJ to carry around a lifelong brand of sexual offender if that were the case.

WTF?

Beau Donaldson is no victim ... he absolutely is the type of sexual predator that belongs on offender's list.

I will say something for Beau. He has the ability to man up and admit his wrongs and face the consequences whatever they may be. A moral team leader in that regard.

 

[1GrizNation]

Beau is in no way a victim. This is a kid that was given every chance to get a great education and excell at football, and had the backing of an entire community. Due to some sort of sexual issue in his head decided he had the right to rape an innocent young woman who clearly trusted him. Beau is not accepting this plea deal because he wants to take responsibility, he is taking it in order to avoid going to trial and his name in the paper everyday of the trial, along with all the details of everything he has done including other victims. There is no other reason why he would take a plea deal that will be asking serious prison time!

 

[Baller1]

The way some have defended Donaldson before the facts all came out is sickening. Message boards are not places to speak for, or dare I say represent players.

Apparently, I missed the way of which you refer. I thought that the accused are innocent until proven guilty or admit guilt - in this country. Defending somebody that had not yet been proven guilty or admitted guilt is also allowed and encouraged. Up to that point, guilt is speculative. That is why we have a justice system.

What Donaldson is about to admit guilt to will officially make him a POS in my book. It would be sickening for anybody to defend him and his actions during the crime AFTER he has been proven guilty or admits guilt. It is also sickening when people in this country cannot get a fair trial - and get convicted by Internet chat.

Let's not forget the victim here. My thoughts and prayers to her, her family, and his family for what they have gone through, but especially for the victim. If it was my daughter, I would want to kill him.

You are kidding yourself if you're implying that I jumped to the conclusion Donaldson was guilty only because charges were filed. I jumped to the conclusion of guilt after a taped phone call of Beau admitting to his victim that he raped her was confirmed. Unfortunately others on this board (not implying you) did not, and some on this board tend to jump to the conclusion of innocence before proven innocent/guilty strictly due to their infatuation with these college football players. That is equally sickening.
I certainly have not forgotten the victim, her family or the Donaldson's and expressed that in a previous post. I agree 100% with your last sentence.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I feel sorry both both families in this case, no winner here at all.

I feel bad for the young woman he raped.

I think the young woman is part of the family :roll:

 

[colsteveaustin]

[quote} Just because he will plead guilty, does not mean he is guilty. [/quote]

Truly one of the most amusing things I've ever read on here. Right up there with the massive "he won't be found guilty" thread.

That dude was dirty from the start and a perfect example of the entire program over the last number of years. He'll now have his brutal actions to taint his entire life.

GOOD!

 

[Grisly Fan]

[quote} Just because he will plead guilty, does not mean he is guilty.

Truly one of the most amusing things I've ever read on here. Right up there with the massive "he won't be found guilty" thread.

That dude was dirty from the start and a perfect example of the entire program over the last number of years. He'll now have his brutal actions to taint his entire life.

GOOD![/quote]
There are a whole lot of people who owe you a debt of gratitude. You stretch the lower end of the bell curve of humanity and single-handedly move a whole lot of people into the mainstream. While BD will get what he deserves and the "double-speak" of he will plead guilty without being guilty is a bunch of crap, saying its "a perfect example of the entire program over the last number of years" is idiotic. The few people who have done these things are very small fraction of the many hundreds or thousands who have done everything right. Granted even a few is not good and needs to be cleaned up but that the "entire program" has a problem is not an intelligent characterization -- but coming from you its understandable.

 

[tourist]

Room and board, five digit number, in scenic Deer Lodge. Sad.

 

[TheBud]

The way some have defended Donaldson before the facts all came out is sickening. Message boards are not places to speak for, or dare I say represent players.

Apparently, I missed the way of which you refer. I thought that the accused are innocent until proven guilty or admit guilt - in this country. Defending somebody that had not yet been proven guilty or admitted guilt is also allowed and encouraged. Up to that point, guilt is speculative. That is why we have a justice system.

What Donaldson is about to admit guilt to will officially make him a POS in my book. It would be sickening for anybody to defend him and his actions during the crime AFTER he has been proven guilty or admits guilt. It is also sickening when people in this country cannot get a fair trial - and get convicted by Internet chat.

Let's not forget the victim here. My thoughts and prayers to her, her family, and his family for what they have gone through, but especially for the victim. If it was my daughter, I would want to kill him.

You are kidding yourself if you're implying that I jumped to the conclusion Donaldson was guilty only because charges were filed. I jumped to the conclusion of guilt after a taped phone call of Beau admitting to his victim that he raped her was confirmed. Unfortunately others on this board (not implying you) did not, and some on this board tend to jump to the conclusion of innocence before proven innocent/guilty strictly due to their infatuation with these college football players. That is equally sickening.
I certainly have not forgotten the victim, her family or the Donaldson's and expressed that in a previous post. I agree 100% with your last sentence.

Unless you were able to view the transcripts to the phone call or listen to it, you read what was reported in the news, as did the rest of us. The News is still not a conviction. Certainly, I suspected that he must be guilty after reading that news story too, but any individual deserves the right to a fair trial. It is a simple and fundamental concept and right in this country.

If people want to defend anyone up to the point of admission of guilt or a conviction, then they should be encouraged to do so, not ostracized for it, even if you do not agree with their "way". Otherwise, how can anybody ever get a fair trial?

Remember the Duke Lacrosse team? They were "guilty" in the eyes of the public long before a trial was possible. Those guys received death threats. The public was certain that they were guilty. Absolutely certain.

That being said, they should not attack the alleged victim's character in a public forum. That would be downright chickenshit.

 

[UMGriz75]

The early news reports, which contained nothing contradictory about any versions of the case, suggested that Beau had done a supremely stupid thing, other than the fact that he had the courage to call her up and apologize. To that extent, he did the right thing, and she didn't run around town exploding with semi-euphoric text messages to everyone she knew.

Too bad. Everyone that knows him really likes the kid; and he comes from a fine family. They had been long-time friends, some say distant relatives, that's why she was at his house in the first place and felt comfortable enough to stay overnight because of her own intoxicated state.

However, nothing undoes the stupidity of what appears by every report to have actually happened. She was drunk. He was drunk. There is a moral to that story of what that condition can do to young lives.

 

[UMGriz75]

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[grizbrokebacker1]

is there an echo in here?

 

[1GrizNation]

The early news reports, which contained nothing contradictory about any versions of the case, suggested that Beau had done a supremely stupid thing, other than the fact that he had the courage to call her up and apologize. To that extent, he did the right thing, and she didn't run around town exploding with semi-euphoric text messages to everyone she knew.

Too bad. Everyone that knows him really likes the kid; and he comes from a fine family. They had been long-time friends, some say distant relatives, that's why she was at his house in the first place and felt comfortable enough to stay overnight because of her own intoxicated state. Nothing in the victim's character to attack; she was being careful after all.

However, nothing undoes the stupidity of what appears by every report to have actually happened. She was drunk. He was drunk. There is a moral to that story of what that condition can do to young lives.

No where in any document does it say she was drunk. She had been drinking but the amount wasn't large and she stayed there with a girlfriend after being talked into it by other people there and because they both trusted Beau. Also, he didn't call her. She called him with the police in the room. She isn't the first female to have more than an uncomfortable sexual confrontation with Beau. Moral of the story is that Donaldson has a problem and needs to be punished and get help. Alcohol is not an excuse (which is exacly why it can't be used as a defense). Being a man I know that even if I was extremely intoxicated I would not have the ability to walk up to a sleeping friend and rape her. As well, her and every other female has the right to drink as much as they like, go to sleep, and not worry about being raped.

 

[UMGriz75]

No where in any document does it say she was drunk. She had been drinking but the amount wasn't large and she stayed there with a girlfriend after being talked into it by other people there and because they both trusted Beau. Also, he didn't call her. She called him with the police in the room.

There's nothing wrong with being a year off on your facts. But, you're a year off on your facts.

"According to JD ... she was sleeping at his residence after consuming alcohol at a house party. Donaldson was a person she had been friends with for years ..."

This happened "on September 25, 2010, ... according to JD ... the following day, ... he admitted the accusation and apologized."

"On December 23, 2011, in a telephone conversation ... monitored by Missoula Police Detectives, ... he apologized repeatedly ....".

Source: Charging Affidavit.

Make up what you want, I was referring primarily to the charging document and consistent statements from students who know them.

 

[argh!]

No where in any document does it say she was drunk. She had been drinking but the amount wasn't large and she stayed there with a girlfriend after being talked into it by other people there and because they both trusted Beau. Also, he didn't call her. She called him with the police in the room.

There's nothing wrong with being a year off on your facts. But, you're a year off on your facts.

"According to JD ... she was sleeping at his residence after consuming alcohol at a house party. Donaldson was a person she had been friends with for years ..."

This happened "on September 25, 2010, ... according to JD ... the following day, ... he admitted the accusation and apologized."

"On December 23, 2011, in a telephone conversation ... monitored by Missoula Police Detectives, ... he apologized repeatedly ....".

Source: Charging Affidavit.

Make up what you want, I was referring primarily to the charging document and consistent statements from students who know them.

"you are a ..... creepy ...."