ASUN/WAC to FBS

[dbackjon]

Current NCAA Rules prohibit any new single sport conference.

They will need a waiver on that.

The so-called WAC FBS loophole wouldn't apply to the that as well.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Have you read the agreement? Neither have I; therefore, I can make all types of assumptions based upon clear limitations. Or are they delimitations? Reference the Sun Belt member institutions and perhaps this would be a decent replication study? Might even get published. Who knows?

Nope. Can't be done. Tried that before and it didn't work. That's the way we do things out here.

The above was a paragraph from the ESPN article the sports writer, Pete Thamel, would think a nationally published article would be somewhat accurate. His words were FB only conference.
BTW you took a joke of as a post as slight. Reality I read the article and you brought up a point outside premise of article or you pitched a ball and although not on target I chose to hit it back at you with humor, no harm no foul.

That's what these sites are for, I thought. I used to be called a sarcastic, condescending SOB to which I'd usually respond "Thank you but it comes naturally."

In another thread, there was a quick discussion about FBS schools reluctant to hiring FCS coaches. I was about to post an an article about both Kansas schools not wanting their head coaches, Klieman and Liepold because of their lack of FBS experience but thought to myself, "Self, who gives a shit?" and didn't.

Actually I'm like a little kid right now waiting to get out of Shawnee and headed to New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl. I want to do another observation of that old Northern Iowa coaching tree that found comfortable homes at NDSU, Wyoming, MSU and Kansas State. Really curious to see what Saban does defensively.

 

[Griz til I die]

Southern Utah doesn't even have visiting team locker rooms. The visiting team literally has to go on the Softball field during halftime

 

[first11]

I am skeptical about this ever coming to fruition. Why would the FBS/NCAA want to water down their product with a "lunch meat" conference like this or share any revenues with them. See below issues too.

"The goal is for the conference to start playing in 2024 with nine members. Ambiguity looms around the process to becoming an FBS league, however. All the schools that play in the FCS will also need to go through a formal transition process.

The schools have signed a "multi-party term sheet agreement" to commit to the new league. Sources familiar with the agreement said the schools "desire to form a partnership for the development and operation of a football-only conference."

The process of becoming the 11th FBS league is not certain because there is currently a moratorium in NCAA Division I on single-sport conferences. Ending that moratorium would require a vote from the NCAA Division I board of directors or a creative solution for league affiliation.



One obstacle is that current NCAA legislation doesn't contemplate the scenario of a new FBS league being formed. There is not a known mechanism in place for the NCAA to approve or deny a new FBS league."

Good observations. Hard indeed to fathom this move. CFB is in transition phase I never would have imagined

 

[Spanky2]

Christmas for BH and the band.

More teams leaving = better chance to make the playoffs.

Best coaches in the BSC leaving their teams equals better chance to win the league.

Gifts just keep coming for the boys.

Now UM will have a team with 106 Montana kids on the roster. Not necessary to recruit outside of Montana!

 

[EverettGriz]

We sure do belong at the fcs level, huh??

 

[get'em_griz]

Lol. If the ASUN/WAC actually is able to get into the FBS with THOSE teams, then the MVFC and Big Sky absolutely needs to come together and put together the Snowbelt Conference and push to the FBS.

Idaho
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Sacramento State
UC Davis
Weber State

 

[EverettGriz]

Anyone know how I can secure tickets to the game against Portland Institute of Graphic Design? I know it’s a couple of years off, but as our biggest fcs rival I know they’re going to sell fast.

 

[Griz Addict]

Christmas for BH and the band.

More teams leaving = better chance to make the playoffs.

Best coaches in the BSC leaving their teams equals better chance to win the league.

Gifts just keep coming for the boys.

Those teams never even make the playoffs and aren't competitive. It helps no one lmao. They're just making the smart move knowing the fcs is dissolving. It will be d2 and d1 (fcs will merge d2) get on board. This has been common knowledge for the last 2 years.

 

[Griz Addict]

Lol. If the ASUN/WAC actually is able to get into the FBS with THOSE teams, then the MVFC and Big Sky absolutely needs to come together and put together the Snowbelt Conference and push to the FBS.

Idaho
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Sacramento State
UC Davis
Weber State

Get rid of NMSU, they should be d2.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Christmas for BH and the band.

More teams leaving = better chance to make the playoffs.

Best coaches in the BSC leaving their teams equals better chance to win the league.

Gifts just keep coming for the boys.

Those teams never even make the playoffs and aren't competitive. It helps no one lmao. They're just making the smart move knowing the fcs is dissolving. It will be d2 and d1 (fcs will merge d2) get on board. This has been common knowledge for the last 2 years.

Ummmmm....they have a conference auto bid....please do some research.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

The article indicates immediate expansion opportunities and four high level FCS programs in discussion.
I could see Weber, Sac, UCD and Poly all joining.

It seems pretty clear at this point that UM and MSU will be happy in whatever lower tier division the “FCS” becomes.

It’s sad really. You think about all the money on facilities etc to compete for a more watered down trophy. Shoot, that’s even if we compete. Right now this program is a mid tier BSC team at best. we are struggling to complete against programs that spend far less and have much less. I would love to see the days return where the Griz dominate. However, I just don’t see that being the case as much as I would like.

So then why not try and make the jump? Why wouldn’t the BSC and the MVFC align to go FBS? I think it would be far more competitive that the WAC ASUN.
I would rather be mediocre in that league and at FBS than in the BSC. We could at least have MWC teams travel to Missoula and Bozeman. Maybe even the occasional PAC whatever on say two for one games!

It just seems that if we don’t make some move. It’s going to get made for us in a negative way.

Maybe we quietly have a better offer being worked out…..

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-wac-lessons-we-learned-from-the-16-team-conference-experiment/

I like to pause and reflect this time of year when everyone is getting excited for the bowls, reserving motel rooms, making dinner reservations looking for out of the way dives and of course plans for Bourbon Street (New Years in New Orleans to watch what Saban is going to do defending a Kansas State or MSU offense).

Want to check out something really interesting? Google the FCS playoff field in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012.

 

[ordigger]

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ic-sun-wac-teams-pairing-move-fbs-sources-say

One had to have known the WAC would be back...

Go up as a league in it's entirety. How is the Big Sky basketball doing against WAC and ASUN in head to head this year?

Dig out all the old sparky comments in the threads about the Sun Belt. You're either building and moving up or you're fading into oblivion.

Still maintain the four Dakota schools, both Montana schools and the Idaho flagship schools would pass the MWC in relevancy in just a couple of years. Would I take Weber along for the ride and their basketball legacy? Lot more creative minds in south Utah than in the northern part of the state.

Personally I believe the Montana schools like the California schools for recruiting.

 

[griznative24]

Christmas for BH and the band.

More teams leaving = better chance to make the playoffs.

Best coaches in the BSC leaving their teams equals better chance to win the league.

Gifts just keep coming for the boys.

Now UM will have a team with 106 Montana kids on the roster. Not necessary to recruit outside of Montana!

Would save a lot of money for sure :lol:

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

One had to have known the WAC would be back...

Go up as a league in it's entirety. How is the Big Sky basketball doing against WAC and ASUN in head to head this year?

Dig out all the old sparky comments in the threads about the Sun Belt. You're either building and moving up or you're fading into oblivion.

Still maintain the four Dakota schools, both Montana schools and the Idaho flagship schools would pass the MWC in relevancy in just a couple of years. Would I take Weber along for the ride and their basketball legacy? Lot more creative minds in south Utah than in the northern part of the state.

Personally I believe the Montana schools like the California schools for recruiting.

Yep. I miss the south this time of year. State Championship weekends. There's days I miss sending out VCR tapes too. Kids I taught, coached and helped get to college are now head coaches.

I really appreciate what Nick Saban is doing with so many good football minds and getting them back into the game. I remember going to work as a principal in a podunk Montana school and asking a p.e. teacher why the hell he never cleaned the gym or at least had the kids clean up. His response? "I didn't spend all that money and time going to college to be a damn janitor."

In another thread, they're discussing the portal. Vigen helped all those kids who were projected to be significant contributors this year find new schools, mostly closer to their home. I'd completely forgotten about the kicker he helped get back to Ohio where he was from when I mentioned six kids left last year and started in schools they went to this fall. Hell, Vigen even let them continue using the team facilities.

I hope this plan comes to fruition for all the kids involved with football. More options for more kids is definitely a step in the right direction.

 

[dbackjon]

Lol. If the ASUN/WAC actually is able to get into the FBS with THOSE teams, then the MVFC and Big Sky absolutely needs to come together and put together the Snowbelt Conference and push to the FBS.

Idaho
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Sacramento State
UC Davis
Weber State

Get rid of NMSU, they should be d2.

They are going to a Bowl Game this year, and C-USA next year. They wouldn't need to stoop down to this level.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Get rid of NMSU, they should be d2.

They are going to a Bowl Game this year, and C-USA next year. They wouldn't need to stoop down to this level.

NMSU alum here (graduate degree). Bad as the Aggies are in football, they did have some pretty good FBS wins and beat the crap out of the two FCS teams they played. BTW, they received a special waiver to play in the bowl game. I think they will struggle with Bowling Green (also 6-6), but could actually win. So ... no, they're not dropping down to D-II.

That's all beside the point, anyway. New Mexico State is a basketball school ... was when we went their (think HOF coach Lou Henson), and still is. Because the WAC was/is so weak, they always get a crappy seed in the Big Dance, so their record looks bad. They've gotten bids for more than the past decade, except for the COVID year. But the lowest seed they've faced in the first round has been a 5-seed (with some 2's thrown in). Still, they managed to knock off 5-seed UConn last year before losing to 4-seed Arkansas in the second round. Only a couple Big Sky teams could compete with them on a regular basis.

My point: A proposed "Snow Belt" conference with NMSU in it would have to account for that ... unless they were another "football only" league.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The article indicates immediate expansion opportunities and four high level FCS programs in discussion.
I could see Weber, Sac, UCD and Poly all joining.

It seems pretty clear at this point that UM and MSU will be happy in whatever lower tier division the “FCS” becomes.

It’s sad really. You think about all the money on facilities etc to compete for a more watered down trophy. Shoot, that’s even if we compete. Right now this program is a mid tier BSC team at best. we are struggling to complete against programs that spend far less and have much less. I would love to see the days return where the Griz dominate. However, I just don’t see that being the case as much as I would like.

So then why not try and make the jump? Why wouldn’t the BSC and the MVFC align to go FBS? I think it would be far more competitive that the WAC ASUN.
I would rather be mediocre in that league and at FBS than in the BSC. We could at least have MWC teams travel to Missoula and Bozeman. Maybe even the occasional PAC whatever on say two for one games!

It just seems that if we don’t make some move. It’s going to get made for us in a negative way.

Maybe we quietly have a better offer being worked out…..

Well if it’s with that shitshow of a conference, I may just check out completely.

 

[Griz Addict]

Those teams never even make the playoffs and aren't competitive. It helps no one lmao. They're just making the smart move knowing the fcs is dissolving. It will be d2 and d1 (fcs will merge d2) get on board. This has been common knowledge for the last 2 years.

Ummmmm....they have a conference auto bid....please do some research.

And do any of them ever win? Portland state would beat those teams cmon now..