Article: Power Shift from UM to Bozeman State

[bigkid]

He's unproven can't you read! I said we'll see how he turns out at wide receiver(we don't need receivers).
As far as not wanting him Mick offered him so we must have wanted him but moved on. He was born a cat so good for him. Good god grow some nuts ya dingaling :lol:

Let's keep that line "We didn't want him anyway" going strong. The kid didn't sign with UM so let's bash him to make ourselves feel better! Then after, we all will gather in a big circle and sing songs. A lot were pretty high on him and one claimed they made you instant title contenders, now he's awful and there's a reason Nevada let him go. GOOD JOB, GOOD EFFORT.
You guys are better than this....

 

[grizatwork]

This pendulum has swung before. It involves more than just sports. What U of M is marketing/teaching isn't selling and graduates can't afford student loan payments on fast food jobs living in their parents basements. I don't think the Liberal arts will come back this time. They need to get relevent and fast. My grandson is is taking the small engines repair course at the "Missoula College" its a two- three semester course. This semester isn't taking a single "shop course" he is however taking a required a Algebra, psychology, and writing course, along with his required computer course. Apparently he will make my snowmobile run better by writing it a letter and making it feel better about itself.

Go east and you have business school graduates who are adept at IT (something we lack in our Business school), engineers, nurses and doctors and folks lined up to hire them. Frankly, I'm surprised enrollment isn't down further.

Even theathletes know there is a limited value to name recognition for insurance salesman, realestate salesman, stock brokers, and car salesman when their career is over and are getting degrees for real jobs

That is the biggest crock of BS. Every single industry took a hit in this economic downturn. Oh I forgot, engineers, architects, and nurses were exempt from a recession. How many engineers left the state in the past 25 years to find jobs and are now back in mom and dad's basement because they lost their jobs? Who is hiring architects when no on is building anything? Every tech school in the state has basic educaiton requirements of their students. Like maybe...reading, writing, and rithmatic? MSU great falls has the same requirements. Yes, MSU bozeman also has general education requirments that have nothing to do with the area of study.

Alpha is right. I spent 6 years in getting my PT degree in Missoula, and never met the president and don't even remember if it was Dennison the whole time or the guy before him. If you want to get your degree, build a relationship with your advisor, open the university catelog, see what you need to graduate, and get off your ass and do it. My god, we are sniveling bunch of whiners who expect people to spoon feed us our education and our information.

As far as Rachac is concerned, he had two high profile recruits who went to Bozeman. He added that to the recent turmoil and he wrote an article that got the Gazette a lot of hits on its web site and probably sold some papers. He did his job. Remember, this is the guy all cat fans hate because he is a griz homer. Sounds like he annoys both fan bases. Sounds like he is doing his job.

 

[Jerry Punch]

In that same time span (3 years), the Cats have made the playoffs every year, while the Griz have only once. Also, the Cats have won 2 out of those 3 years.

In that same time span Montana has advanced to the Semis and almost won. Cats not close; blown out.

Completely accurate. But does that mean the Cats aren't closing the gap?

 

[grizatwork]

I'll be honest. I wanted Roderick. I think he was a significant uprgrade from any quarterback we have on the roster and might actually win the starting job in Bozeman after next year. It is my opinion he would have won the starting job at UM in a landslide.

 

[msuhunter]

Power Shift? Yes, no doubt, true. However, it is true that the state college recruiting success story is due to our problems that won't last beyond two or three more years. Good student-athletes would much rather attend UM rather than state college, but our problems and lack of leadership have made it difficult for recruits and their parents not to consider the problems in their decision making process. So..enjoy state college people as your current advantage isn't going to last long.

MSU attracted more National Merit and top scholars from montana then all the other Montana universities, including UM, combined.

They must be doing something right in the academic area

However the top academic school sits 78 miles west of Bozeman...smaller school so obviously not as many. Our dropouts used to go to Bozeman and become 3.0 gpa+ students.

Tech is "the top academic school"??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the best joke I've heard in a long long time!!! :clap: :lol: :clap:

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'll be honest. I wanted Roderick. I think he was a significant uprgrade from any quarterback we have on the roster and might actually win the starting job in Bozeman after next year. It is my opinion he would have won the starting job at UM in a landslide.

I wanted him to be a Griz too...if for no other reason than to avoid the inevitable bullshit articles like this one. :lol:

 

[garizzalies]

Oh how the mighty have fallen.
I'm a "sky-er." It's kinda like a "birth-er" except i think the sky is falling.
I do not think we've hit rock bottom yet and here's why: with our lame duck coach, we can't even attempt to dig ourselves out of this hole until the investigations are complete and the sanctions are announced. Thus, we are still plummeting and may never regain our dominance over the BSC.
Our "fall" is more responsible for the gap closing than the cat's "rise."

 

[getgrizzy]

Oh how the mighty have fallen.
I'm a "sky-er." It's kinda like a "birth-er" except i think the sky is falling.
I do not think we've hit rock bottom yet and here's why: with our lame duck coach, we can't even attempt to dig ourselves out of this hole until the investigations are complete and the sanctions are announced. Thus, we are still plummeting and may never regain our dominance over the BSC.
Our "fall" is more responsible for the gap closing than the cat's "rise."

are you trying to be reassuring? its not working.

 

[ordigger]

However the top academic school sits 78 miles west of Bozeman...smaller school so obviously not as many. Our dropouts used to go to Bozeman and become 3.0 gpa+ students.

Do you have a link to those GPAs? You repeatedly post the same unsupported horse manure about MSU vs. Tech.

Enrollment has little to do with number of National Merit Scholars, math wizard. For example, MIT and Northeastern are both in Massachusetts. MIT has total enrollment around 6,000. Northeastern has total enrollment of 20,000. By your logic Northeastern should have more National Merit Scholars than MIT. Well, guess what? 128 at MIT versus 100 at Northeastern. Tulsa - 40 National merit scholars with undergrad enrollment of less than 4,000. Oklahoma State University - 30 with enrollment of over 24,000. Vanderbilt - 248 with enrollment of 12,000. U of Tennessee - 18 with enrollment of 21,000. "Obviously" lower enrollment equals less heralded students, right?

By the way, my review shows Tech had exactly 0 in 2011. Students certainly don't consider Tech the best academic institution in the state. Why would not one NMS enroll at Montana's best institution of higher learning? Uh, because it's not!

http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do I really care about NMS? I personally know 14 people that could not make the grade at Tech. Ten went to MSU, 4 went to UM......all excelled as students at those two institutions. One even made honors. Fact is Tech is a much harder school to earn a degree at that any other university in Montana. I'm talking real world and real life here.

Now of course I should clarify. I'm talking Engineering programs, and in the 80s. Tech consistently was rated a top small college in the country EVERY year. I am well aware of MIT.

The Petroleum & Mining Engineering programs are tops in the country. CEOs from major companies in those fields have degrees from Tech.

Had a prof at Tech once, Hugh Dresser, who told me "you may get A's in those other classes, but a C in mine and you'll remember it forever". 30 years later and he is right.

As for why not one NMS enrolled at Tech, perhaps its because none had an interest in Tech's specialized fields of study. Not everyone is interested....why is beyond me, because its one industry that is booming. I do know some that have in the past, including one very very well.

Maybe NMS are scared off by the challenges presented by Tech? lol

 

[knhoj]

I guess there were a couple of down years in the 2000's, to be accurate you would say 1985-2001.

Guess that's the ultimate difference between Griz and 'scat fans. We think 4-5 losses is a down year. 2010 was a down year for the Griz. Apparently 7-6, 7-5, 6-5, isn't considered down for the 'scats? Or would it NOW, after 3 years of sustained "success" (and I use that term loosely).

From 2002-2006, MSU beat UM 3 times, won a share of the BSC title 3 times, went to the playoffs 3 times, had a win over Colorado (when was your last win in a "play up" game...and Idaho doesn't count?), and won a playoff game. Maybe our overall record wasn't that impressive during some of those seasons, but based upon the accomplishments that I just cited, I would hardly say that MSU was "down" during that era.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

From 2002-2006...

As long as we're cherry-picking, I have a 16-year range you might want to examine.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Not to mention I believe the scats have more schollies to offer. The fact is we NEED a qb! Roderick may be a good athlete from Montana but he is not a proven college qb. He was buried in the depth chart for a reason(Nevada was probably happy to free up his scholarship) We have good receivers and by all counts the cats could use a good receiver. Time will tell if thats the case. Brekke was coming into probably pay safety because the rb spot is more than covered and I'm not convinced he could out rush the kids we have. That leaves the Lebsock discussion. Last report he is a Montana native who can play safety. I would rather have a kid who wants to be a Griz than a flip-flop. This whole discussion is rediculous and is about nothing but bragging rights and chest pumping. Right now I'm more interested in JJ's issue and NCAA reports than I am about two montana made cat commits. Montana has a good solid base of kids from the state so lets be excited about what we have and not concern ourselves with what we don't. Remember folks this last Griz/cat game was quite competitve and Montana returns nearly everyone. 2013 or bust!
Go Griz!!

So you don't like flip-flops? Tell me, what are you opinions on John Kanongata'a?

Lets also not act like we didn't want Roderick...a lot. We wanted him coming out of high school, and we wanted him now. He would have started at QB for us.

 

[knhoj]

From 2002-2006...

As long as we're cherry-picking, I have a 16-year range you might want to examine.

AZGrizFan had implied that MSU's records during the early to mid 2000's were not that impressive, by UM's standards. I was simply pointing out the fact that MSU was very successful during those years, and that judging them simply by their W-L record was very deceiving. AZGrizFan chose the years that I referenced, not me.

 

[grizatwork]

I guess there were a couple of down years in the 2000's, to be accurate you would say 1985-2001.

Guess that's the ultimate difference between Griz and 'scat fans. We think 4-5 losses is a down year. 2010 was a down year for the Griz. Apparently 7-6, 7-5, 6-5, isn't considered down for the 'scats? Or would it NOW, after 3 years of sustained "success" (and I use that term loosely).

From 2002-2006, MSU beat UM 3 times, won a share of the BSC title 3 times, went to the playoffs 3 times, had a win over Colorado (when was your last win in a "play up" game...and Idaho doesn't count?), and won a playoff game. Maybe our overall record wasn't that impressive during some of those seasons, but based upon the accomplishments that I just cited, I would hardly say that MSU was "down" during that era.

As long as we are being honest, a FBS in over Colorado does not count that much more than a FBS win over Idaho. In fact, last time Idaho and Colorado faced each other, Idaho was late coming out of the locker room and it took Colorado 3 plays to score. And don't forget that your "stellar" win against "highly regarded" Colorado was followed up by a loss to D2 Chadron State.

I am not one to minimize what MSU has accomplished or to sugar coat the problems UM is having right now, but your post is a cherry picking classic.

 

[knhoj]

I guess there were a couple of down years in the 2000's, to be accurate you would say 1985-2001.

Guess that's the ultimate difference between Griz and 'scat fans. We think 4-5 losses is a down year. 2010 was a down year for the Griz. Apparently 7-6, 7-5, 6-5, isn't considered down for the 'scats? Or would it NOW, after 3 years of sustained "success" (and I use that term loosely).

From 2002-2006, MSU beat UM 3 times, won a share of the BSC title 3 times, went to the playoffs 3 times, had a win over Colorado (when was your last win in a "play up" game...and Idaho doesn't count?), and won a playoff game. Maybe our overall record wasn't that impressive during some of those seasons, but based upon the accomplishments that I just cited, I would hardly say that MSU was "down" during that era.

As long as we are being honest, a FBS in over Colorado does not count that much more than a FBS win over Idaho. In fact, last time Idaho and Colorado faced each other, Idaho was late coming out of the locker room and it took Colorado 3 plays to score. And don't forget that your "stellar" win against "highly regarded" Colorado was followed up by a loss to D2 Chadron State.

I am not one to minimize what MSU has accomplished or to sugar coat the problems UM is having right now, but your post is a cherry picking classic.

Like I said before, AZGrizFan picked those years, so if anyone was cherry picking, it was him not me. I was simply responding to his assertion that MSU wasn't really very good during the early to mid-2000's, and I pointed out that was not really very accurate. If you insist on discounting the Colorado win (although they were the defending Big 12 North champions that year)...we still had the 3 Cat-Griz wins, 3 BSC titles, and 3 playoff berths during during those years that he said we were "down".

 

[stubbins]

If you are a parent advising your child and you compare Cruzado and Engstrom....how would you advise your child?

good point...also Delaney vs. Ash? Ash equals John Cooper, good teams but won't ever get it done...and Delaney makes him look like Alabammy Nick.

 

[Hammer]

However the top academic school sits 78 miles west of Bozeman...smaller school so obviously not as many. Our dropouts used to go to Bozeman and become 3.0 gpa+ students.

Do you have a link to those GPAs? You repeatedly post the same unsupported horse manure about MSU vs. Tech.

Enrollment has little to do with number of National Merit Scholars, math wizard. For example, MIT and Northeastern are both in Massachusetts. MIT has total enrollment around 6,000. Northeastern has total enrollment of 20,000. By your logic Northeastern should have more National Merit Scholars than MIT. Well, guess what? 128 at MIT versus 100 at Northeastern. Tulsa - 40 National merit scholars with undergrad enrollment of less than 4,000. Oklahoma State University - 30 with enrollment of over 24,000. Vanderbilt - 248 with enrollment of 12,000. U of Tennessee - 18 with enrollment of 21,000. "Obviously" lower enrollment equals less heralded students, right?

By the way, my review shows Tech had exactly 0 in 2011. Students certainly don't consider Tech the best academic institution in the state. Why would not one NMS enroll at Montana's best institution of higher learning? Uh, because it's not!

http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do I really care about NMS? I personally know 14 people that could not make the grade at Tech. Ten went to MSU, 4 went to UM......all excelled as students at those two institutions. One even made honors. Fact is Tech is a much harder school to earn a degree at that any other university in Montana. I'm talking real world and real life here.

Now of course I should clarify. I'm talking Engineering programs, and in the 80s. Tech consistently was rated a top small college in the country EVERY year. I am well aware of MIT.

The Petroleum & Mining Engineering programs are tops in the country. CEOs from major companies in those fields have degrees from Tech.

Had a prof at Tech once, Hugh Dresser, who told me "you may get A's in those other classes, but a C in mine and you'll remember it forever". 30 years later and he is right.

As for why not one NMS enrolled at Tech, perhaps its because none had an interest in Tech's specialized fields of study. Not everyone is interested....why is beyond me, because its one industry that is booming. I do know some that have in the past, including one very very well.

Maybe NMS are scared off by the challenges presented by Tech? lol

Theres a reason they call it "Harvard on the Hill" ordigger. My son is a graduate and had a great job lined up after college before he even left school.

 

[billings_poke]

However the top academic school sits 78 miles west of Bozeman...smaller school so obviously not as many. Our dropouts used to go to Bozeman and become 3.0 gpa+ students.

Do you have a link to those GPAs? You repeatedly post the same unsupported horse manure about MSU vs. Tech.

Enrollment has little to do with number of National Merit Scholars, math wizard. For example, MIT and Northeastern are both in Massachusetts. MIT has total enrollment around 6,000. Northeastern has total enrollment of 20,000. By your logic Northeastern should have more National Merit Scholars than MIT. Well, guess what? 128 at MIT versus 100 at Northeastern. Tulsa - 40 National merit scholars with undergrad enrollment of less than 4,000. Oklahoma State University - 30 with enrollment of over 24,000. Vanderbilt - 248 with enrollment of 12,000. U of Tennessee - 18 with enrollment of 21,000. "Obviously" lower enrollment equals less heralded students, right?

By the way, my review shows Tech had exactly 0 in 2011. Students certainly don't consider Tech the best academic institution in the state. Why would not one NMS enroll at Montana's best institution of higher learning? Uh, because it's not!

http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do I really care about NMS? I personally know 14 people that could not make the grade at Tech. Ten went to MSU, 4 went to UM......all excelled as students at those two institutions. One even made honors. Fact is Tech is a much harder school to earn a degree at that any other university in Montana. I'm talking real world and real life here.

Now of course I should clarify. I'm talking Engineering programs, and in the 80s. Tech consistently was rated a top small college in the country EVERY year. I am well aware of MIT.

The Petroleum & Mining Engineering programs are tops in the country. CEOs from major companies in those fields have degrees from Tech.

Had a prof at Tech once, Hugh Dresser, who told me "you may get A's in those other classes, but a C in mine and you'll remember it forever". 30 years later and he is right.

As for why not one NMS enrolled at Tech, perhaps its because none had an interest in Tech's specialized fields of study. Not everyone is interested....why is beyond me, because its one industry that is booming. I do know some that have in the past, including one very very well.

Maybe NMS are scared off by the challenges presented by Tech? lol

Theres a reason they call it "Harvard on the Hill" ordigger. My son is a graduate and had a great job lined up after college before he even left school.

not really unusual for Engineering students to have jobs lined up before they graduate actually pretty normal depending on the field. Happened for both my sons and they weren't at Butte

 

[Hammer]

Do you have a link to those GPAs? You repeatedly post the same unsupported horse manure about MSU vs. Tech.

Enrollment has little to do with number of National Merit Scholars, math wizard. For example, MIT and Northeastern are both in Massachusetts. MIT has total enrollment around 6,000. Northeastern has total enrollment of 20,000. By your logic Northeastern should have more National Merit Scholars than MIT. Well, guess what? 128 at MIT versus 100 at Northeastern. Tulsa - 40 National merit scholars with undergrad enrollment of less than 4,000. Oklahoma State University - 30 with enrollment of over 24,000. Vanderbilt - 248 with enrollment of 12,000. U of Tennessee - 18 with enrollment of 21,000. "Obviously" lower enrollment equals less heralded students, right?

By the way, my review shows Tech had exactly 0 in 2011. Students certainly don't consider Tech the best academic institution in the state. Why would not one NMS enroll at Montana's best institution of higher learning? Uh, because it's not!

http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do I really care about NMS? I personally know 14 people that could not make the grade at Tech. Ten went to MSU, 4 went to UM......all excelled as students at those two institutions. One even made honors. Fact is Tech is a much harder school to earn a degree at that any other university in Montana. I'm talking real world and real life here.

Now of course I should clarify. I'm talking Engineering programs, and in the 80s. Tech consistently was rated a top small college in the country EVERY year. I am well aware of MIT.

The Petroleum & Mining Engineering programs are tops in the country. CEOs from major companies in those fields have degrees from Tech.

Had a prof at Tech once, Hugh Dresser, who told me "you may get A's in those other classes, but a C in mine and you'll remember it forever". 30 years later and he is right.

As for why not one NMS enrolled at Tech, perhaps its because none had an interest in Tech's specialized fields of study. Not everyone is interested....why is beyond me, because its one industry that is booming. I do know some that have in the past, including one very very well.

Maybe NMS are scared off by the challenges presented by Tech? lol

Theres a reason they call it "Harvard on the Hill" ordigger. My son is a graduate and had a great job lined up after college before he even left school.

not really unusual for Engineering students to have jobs lined up before they graduate actually pretty normal depending on the field. Happened for both my sons and they weren't at Butte

my son didn't have an engineering degree.

 

[bearly visible]

Power Shift? Yes, no doubt, true. However, it is true that the state college recruiting success story is due to our problems that won't last beyond two or three more years. Good student-athletes would much rather attend UM rather than state college, but our problems and lack of leadership have made it difficult for recruits and their parents not to consider the problems in their decision making process. So..enjoy state college people as your current advantage isn't going to last long.

MSU attracted more National Merit and top scholars from montana then all the other Montana universities, including UM, combined.

They must be doing something right in the academic area

However the top academic school sits 78 miles west of Bozeman...smaller school so obviously not as many. Our dropouts used to go to Bozeman and become 3.0 gpa+ students.

Tech is "the top academic school"??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the best joke I've heard in a long long time!!! :clap: :lol: :clap:

Then you are an idiot. Tech is by far the most highly regarded academic institution in the state.