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Article: Power Shift from UM to Bozeman State
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CatzWillRise
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Just curious, but what is so wrong in the article?
Traditionally, Griz get the Gatorade player of the year, if they don't go FBS. I don't know the last GPOY to play for the Cats (1994). So, is the article inaccurate saying the Griz normally get these players, but the Cats have signed two of the last three?
In that same time span (3 years), the Cats have made the playoffs every year, while the Griz have only once. Also, the Cats have won 2 out of those 3 years.
Those aren't easy facts to ignore. It doesn't mean the Griz are in a free-for-all, it just means the Cats are catching up, and if the trend continues, will surpass the Griz in football success.
Traditionally, Griz get the Gatorade player of the year, if they don't go FBS. I don't know the last GPOY to play for the Cats (1994). So, is the article inaccurate saying the Griz normally get these players, but the Cats have signed two of the last three?
In that same time span (3 years), the Cats have made the playoffs every year, while the Griz have only once. Also, the Cats have won 2 out of those 3 years.
Those aren't easy facts to ignore. It doesn't mean the Griz are in a free-for-all, it just means the Cats are catching up, and if the trend continues, will surpass the Griz in football success.
I do think that the battle for in-state recruits has probably reached a 50-50 split. The edge for the recruiting battles will probably who wins Cat Griz and goes further in the playoffs. This year it was the Cats. Next year could be the Griz.
I think that point of the article is that MSU has raised its program enough, that every student athlete in the state isn't going to automatically sign up for Griz football without giving MSU some serious thought.
Right now the biggest obstacle to the Griz is not knowing who your longterm head football coach is going to be. I just think that knowing Delaney (in a sense is a lame duck coach) has to play a part in recruit's decision. Players like to play for a great program, but a lot also like to play for a great coach that they know will be there.
I think that point of the article is that MSU has raised its program enough, that every student athlete in the state isn't going to automatically sign up for Griz football without giving MSU some serious thought.
Right now the biggest obstacle to the Griz is not knowing who your longterm head football coach is going to be. I just think that knowing Delaney (in a sense is a lame duck coach) has to play a part in recruit's decision. Players like to play for a great program, but a lot also like to play for a great coach that they know will be there.
ALPHAGRIZ1
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If you are honest you tell them that the president of a university wont effect them in anyway during their schooling at said university. Most students go to college for 4 years and couldnt tell you who the president of the USA is let alone their university.Spanky said:
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billings_poke
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Spanky said:
MSU attracted more National Merit and top scholars from montana then all the other Montana universities, including UM, combined.
They must be doing something right in the academic area
Jerry Punch
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Again, you guys are all worried about us. Just relax. Take care of your own business and things should work out since "You. Are. Montana."
Griz Voice of Reason
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The article is spot on. You are what your record says you are and the kitties have been better than us. Regarding that 30 win number, EWU has also won 30 games the past three years.
I am so looking forward to 2013 :thumb: Tye will have an outstanding front 7, a much learned and healed(Hermanson) secondary and one hell of an offensive line. There are a number of brekke's and rodericks on this team and quite frankly I have a ton of confidence in the offensive coordinators. Once the cats get the snot kicked out of them on Sept 8 by NDSU everyone will realize how far down the totem pole they really are. Do I have to say Minter, Fuller, Owens among others are gone from probably the best cat defense for awhile and they got walloped by SHSU. Admittedly we are losing the PR game(for good reason) and we are licking some wounds right now but we have a pretty good football team. Let the cats look past us along with everyone else............ 
George Ferguson
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MSU deserves all the kudos in the world. I don't expect the Cats to backslide much in the next few years. Even as DM exits the program. And while I don't dispute the fact that MSU and Ash is kicking the Griz' butts in in-state recruiting, I also refuse to believe that Brekke would have decomitted had the Griz not been in so much turmoil. No matter what he said to Colter.
Also, it's worth noting that while the Cats are on a great run, they, meaning the team, will say it's national title or bust. In fact, DM said so in the postgame press conference after the loss to SHSU. It's about winning in December, and in that regard, the Cats have had three cracks at it under DM and Co., and haven't sniffed it yet. In that same time frame, the Griz have only had one chance at it, and have won the same amout of playoff games as MSU, and have been a round further. So while the power shift is certainly on, and the pendulum has swung the way of Bozeman in some regards, UM is still on par with the Cats in playoff success over the last three seasons. At least until the (IF) Cats go farther in 2013.
Also, it's worth noting that while the Cats are on a great run, they, meaning the team, will say it's national title or bust. In fact, DM said so in the postgame press conference after the loss to SHSU. It's about winning in December, and in that regard, the Cats have had three cracks at it under DM and Co., and haven't sniffed it yet. In that same time frame, the Griz have only had one chance at it, and have won the same amout of playoff games as MSU, and have been a round further. So while the power shift is certainly on, and the pendulum has swung the way of Bozeman in some regards, UM is still on par with the Cats in playoff success over the last three seasons. At least until the (IF) Cats go farther in 2013.
Frankly, the chasm between the two programs had no where to go but to close some. It couldn't have gotten much greater than it did there for awhile. In the meantime, I'm fine with saying it's closed in the last 5 years or so. But that certainly doesn't have me shaking in my boots.
ordigger said:
Do you have a link to those GPAs? You repeatedly post the same unsupported horse manure about MSU vs. Tech.
Enrollment has little to do with number of National Merit Scholars, math wizard. For example, MIT and Northeastern are both in Massachusetts. MIT has total enrollment around 6,000. Northeastern has total enrollment of 20,000. By your logic Northeastern should have more National Merit Scholars than MIT. Well, guess what? 128 at MIT versus 100 at Northeastern. Tulsa - 40 National merit scholars with undergrad enrollment of less than 4,000. Oklahoma State University - 30 with enrollment of over 24,000. Vanderbilt - 248 with enrollment of 12,000. U of Tennessee - 18 with enrollment of 21,000. "Obviously" lower enrollment equals less heralded students, right?
By the way, my review shows Tech had exactly 0 in 2011. Students certainly don't consider Tech the best academic institution in the state. Why would not one NMS enroll at Montana's best institution of higher learning? Uh, because it's not!
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Two words: we'll see.
Pater_Ursus_Arctos
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Power shift huh?
So, MSU get's two high visble recruits from the state of MT (one of which went to Bozeman High), and the best team MSU fielded in 20 years beats the worst Griz team in 20 years by 9 points and there's a power shift. :lol:
If this is a power shift....Be afraid MSU. Be very afraid!
Go Griz!
So, MSU get's two high visble recruits from the state of MT (one of which went to Bozeman High), and the best team MSU fielded in 20 years beats the worst Griz team in 20 years by 9 points and there's a power shift. :lol:
If this is a power shift....Be afraid MSU. Be very afraid!
Go Griz!
