HikeGlacier
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I have never heard a player say they picked UM to play for BH. I have, however, heard several players talk about him negatively after finishing their careers.
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Article on where Montana kids go, and why?
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FYI...Brott was the one who sacked Fifey yesterday. And yes, the Cat coaches are a level above at "teaching and developing". UM does not know the definition of development.
Does anyone really care? Honestly. Don't think so. Tommy will get your "Financial Engineering" degree and I'll bet my house on it he'll be successful.
Impressive!! What about the UM grad living in a tent, smoking weed everyday and living off the government? I guess it evens out with the six figure income guys supporting them with their taxes.
mthoopsfan
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I know players who picked UM because of Bobby, and other coaches. Most players come to appreciate him more after they graduate. He’s not as much of a hardass as he used to be either.
FE=EIT. When you pass the Fundamentals of Engineering exam, you are awarded an EIT certificate. If you study “engineering” at MSU-Bozeman, you are required to sit for the FE (as referred to in the course catalog) exam during your 4th year. You won’t find that requirement in the financial engineering course catalog, as it isn’t recognized as an engineering discipline by ABET. Beyond Calc and physics, financial engineering doesn’t require a single class in statics, dynamics, mechanics, thermo, fluids, strengths, momentum and heat transfer. I don’t know about you, but they were all required curriculum for my ABET accredited engineering degree
. It’s brilliant marketing by the way, take advantage of a hot market by adding engineering to a finance degree title…very reminiscent of when every company added .com to their name.Here’s a list of ABET accredited majors offered at Bozeman, for your future hiring reference.
https://amspub.abet.org/aps/name-search?searchType=institution&keyword=Montana State University
I certainly don’t want you hiring someone with a flashy degree title to design the bolts holding planes together. We all know how financial guys like to cut costs
BozAngelesGriz
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Do you know this person, or is this a straw man argument? I think I know the answer
grizgrad99
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The only folks who really seem to care are Cat fans who assert that MSU is the only true STEM school in the state, usually as a way to tear down the flagship institution. This assertion is patently false and easy to disprove. It is, however, the result of very good marketing.
MSU has a good engineering program, and I don't doubt that many of its graduates are and will be successful. But for every successful engineer who plays ball at MSU, I can point to 3-4 business, philosophy, and liberal arts majors. Doesn't scream "STEM" or "academics" to me. The data just aren't there.
As for Mellott, I hope he does put his degree to good use, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is far more successful off the field than he has been on it. That's the goal. After all, he's a student-athlete.
The Cats had their day yesterday, no objective fan will deny that. But to suggest that there's some sort of talent discrepancy because of the academic standards of one school vs another is laughable. These schools have the same admissions requirements and similar courses of study. They are accredited by the same institutions, and they provide similar outcomes.
BrownBear9501
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What does that say about a lot of our players athleticism then?
Good point. I think he took down Gillman at least twice for losses so there's that.
He's the grandson of former Griz Warren Hill.
Yes, 2 years ago I think, linked to Benefis Medical Center. College of Osteopathic Doctors. You get a "DO" degree.
billingsgriz
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You are right, Allez, I am wrong--The Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine opened about the same time as The Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine here in Billings last fall.
A couple of observations from a layman:
I briefly lived in Great Falls in 1992, and I loved it because of the nearby Rocky Mountain
Front, the nearby Little Belt and Highwood Mountains, and the Missouri River, The Great Falls of the Missouri and the historical connection to Lewis and Clark, and nearby Fort Benton, which was the world's farthest inland port in the world until the railroads came along and FDR and Sen. Burton K. Wheeler built Fort Peck Damn in the 30's to electrify Montana ranches and farms, the REA, as well as to provide thousands of good-paying jobs during The Great Depression. And any place that Charlie Russell called home was good enough for me !!! Most Montanans today outside of Fort Benton don't realize that Montana didn't used to be landlocked !!!
That said, Great Falls at that time, like Billings, had two competing hospitals, Columbus and Benefis. And now it has one, Benefis, as Columbus, the Catholic hospital has since gone kaput. The "new" Columbus Hospital, which I lived close to, is now Benefis West.
Great Falls trade area is about 200,000 people in North-Central Montana. Billings trade area is about 550,000 people in South-Central and Eastern Montana, Northern Wyoming, and far Western North and South Dakota. The Billings Clinic and Intermountain Health run rural hospitals in cooperative agreements or outright ownership from Livingston to the North Dakota border and in Northern Wyoming all the way down to Riverton in Central Wyoming. When folks get sick in these areas and the illness or injury is beyond the local doctor's and/or facilities capabilities, they are driving or being flown by helicopter or fixed-wing air ambulance to Billings, with both BC and St. V's status as Level One Trauma Centers. Wyoming, South Dakota, and Idaho do not have a Level One Trauma Center, and North Dakota's Level One is on ND's far eastern border with Minnesota in Fargo. And residents in the Great Falls trade area, Benefis patients as well as patients from hospitals in Havre, Malta, Conrad, Shelby, etc. needing Level One care as well as the rest of Montana needing a Level One Trauma Center are now being flown into Billings instead of Denver, Salt Lake or Seattle.
Given this huge geograhic footprint, med. students at The Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine doing their clinical rotations at BC and St. V's are likely to see more diversity in their patients in Billings then the students at The Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Great Falls. I am sure both schools will produce great physicians, and we are blessed to have both schools !!!
Having lived in Billings the last 30 years, I am obviously biased. But it is also true that both Boise and Spokane are almost twice as big as Billings approximately 123,000 residents, and if seriously injured in either and you need Level One trauma care, you will be flown to Portland, Salt Lake or Seattle. The importance of Billings as a regional medical center was massively reinforced just last week with Intermountain Health's announcement to build a brand-new St. Vincent's Hospital, 14 floors, 735,000 square feet costing $ 1 billion, the most expensive private construction project in Montana history !!! ( Maybe reflecting this difference in their respective trade areas The Touro med schools first class is 30 students while in Billings the first class is 160 students and my understanding is all following classes also are scheduled for 160 students.)
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A couple of observations from a layman:
I briefly lived in Great Falls in 1992, and I loved it because of the nearby Rocky Mountain
Front, the nearby Little Belt and Highwood Mountains, and the Missouri River, The Great Falls of the Missouri and the historical connection to Lewis and Clark, and nearby Fort Benton, which was the world's farthest inland port in the world until the railroads came along and FDR and Sen. Burton K. Wheeler built Fort Peck Damn in the 30's to electrify Montana ranches and farms, the REA, as well as to provide thousands of good-paying jobs during The Great Depression. And any place that Charlie Russell called home was good enough for me !!! Most Montanans today outside of Fort Benton don't realize that Montana didn't used to be landlocked !!!That said, Great Falls at that time, like Billings, had two competing hospitals, Columbus and Benefis. And now it has one, Benefis, as Columbus, the Catholic hospital has since gone kaput. The "new" Columbus Hospital, which I lived close to, is now Benefis West.
Great Falls trade area is about 200,000 people in North-Central Montana. Billings trade area is about 550,000 people in South-Central and Eastern Montana, Northern Wyoming, and far Western North and South Dakota. The Billings Clinic and Intermountain Health run rural hospitals in cooperative agreements or outright ownership from Livingston to the North Dakota border and in Northern Wyoming all the way down to Riverton in Central Wyoming. When folks get sick in these areas and the illness or injury is beyond the local doctor's and/or facilities capabilities, they are driving or being flown by helicopter or fixed-wing air ambulance to Billings, with both BC and St. V's status as Level One Trauma Centers. Wyoming, South Dakota, and Idaho do not have a Level One Trauma Center, and North Dakota's Level One is on ND's far eastern border with Minnesota in Fargo. And residents in the Great Falls trade area, Benefis patients as well as patients from hospitals in Havre, Malta, Conrad, Shelby, etc. needing Level One care as well as the rest of Montana needing a Level One Trauma Center are now being flown into Billings instead of Denver, Salt Lake or Seattle.
Given this huge geograhic footprint, med. students at The Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine doing their clinical rotations at BC and St. V's are likely to see more diversity in their patients in Billings then the students at The Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Great Falls. I am sure both schools will produce great physicians, and we are blessed to have both schools !!!
Having lived in Billings the last 30 years, I am obviously biased. But it is also true that both Boise and Spokane are almost twice as big as Billings approximately 123,000 residents, and if seriously injured in either and you need Level One trauma care, you will be flown to Portland, Salt Lake or Seattle. The importance of Billings as a regional medical center was massively reinforced just last week with Intermountain Health's announcement to build a brand-new St. Vincent's Hospital, 14 floors, 735,000 square feet costing $ 1 billion, the most expensive private construction project in Montana history !!! ( Maybe reflecting this difference in their respective trade areas The Touro med schools first class is 30 students while in Billings the first class is 160 students and my understanding is all following classes also are scheduled for 160 students.)
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As a former engineering major who switched to a science degree, I am much happier with my profession as well as my pay and my ability to thrive in Montana which has a notoriously difficult job market than I would have been if I would have continued with engineering. You realize the E is not the only part of STEM that matters right?
BelierPeaux
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Agreed. UM has been and is still terribly behind MSU in marketing. This is something that doesn't seem like it should be hard to fix. You could literally just copy MSU and ride their coattails like they did UM in the late aughts and early 2010s. As high schoolers, my kids get FAR more digital and phyisical information from the neighbors than UM. Literally we get something in the mail every other week from MSU and we get emails at least once a week. UM is maybe once every month or two, if that. I don't think it's hard.
I wasn't trying to argue for great falls or against Billings. I just was making sure I had heard correctly is all. But thank you for that information. Two places putting out doctors in Montana is a good thing.You are right, Allez, I am wrong--The Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine opened about the same time as The Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine here in Billings last fall.
A couple of observations from a layman:
I briefly lived in Great Falls in 1992, and I loved it because of the nearby Rocky Mountain
That said, Great Falls at that time, like Billings, had two competing hospitals, Columbus and Benefis. And now it has one, Benefis, as Columbus, the Catholic hospital has since gone kaput. The "new" Columbus Hospital, which I lived close to, is now Benefis West.
Great Falls trade area is about 200,000 people in North-Central Montana. Billings trade area is about 550,000 people in South-Central and Eastern Montana, Northern Wyoming, and far Western North and South Dakota. The Billings Clinic and Intermountain Health run rural hospitals in cooperative agreements or outright ownership from Livingston to the North Dakota border and in Northern Wyoming all the way down to Riverton in Central Wyoming. When folks get sick in these areas and the illness or injury is beyond the local doctor's and/or facilities capabilities, they are driving or being flown by helicopter or fixed-wing air ambulance to Billings, with both BC and St. V's status as Level One Trauma Centers. Wyoming, South Dakota, and Idaho do not have a Level One Trauma Center, and North Dakota's Level One is on ND's far eastern border with Minnesota in Fargo. And residents in the Great Falls trade area, Benefis patients as well as patients from hospitals in Havre, Malta, Conrad, Shelby, etc. needing Level One care as well as the rest of Montana needing a Level One Trauma Center are now being flown into Billings instead of Denver, Salt Lake or Seattle.
Given this huge geograhic footprint, med. students at The Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine doing their clinical rotations at BC and St. V's are likely to see more diversity in their patients in Billings then the students at The Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Great Falls. I am sure both schools will produce great physicians, and we are blessed to have both schools !!!
Having lived in Billings the last 30 years, I am obviously biased. But it is also true that both Boise and Spokane are almost twice as big as Billings approximately 123,000 residents, and if seriously injured in either and you need Level One trauma care, you will be flown to Portland, Salt Lake or Seattle. The importance of Billings as a regional medical center was massively reinforced just last week with Intermountain Health's announcement to build a brand-new St. Vincent's Hospital, 14 floors, 735,000 square feet costing $ 1 billion, the most expensive private construction project in Montana history !!! ( Maybe reflecting this difference in their respective trade areas The Touro med schools first class is 30 students while in Billings the first class is 160 students and my understanding is all following classes also are scheduled for 160 students.)
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Titles like Lieutenant? Sergeant? Lance Corporal? Master Chief, Captain?
Those glorify perceptions of what exactly?
billingsgriz
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Yes, I agree about our two medical schools graduating DO doctors--we have a shortage of doctors in general in the Northern Rockies and Northern Great Plains and these two schools' graduates will help alleviate that shortage !!!
And the significance of the two Level 1 Trauma Centers here in Billings--they will save the lives of many Montanans from all over Montana. Previous to Billings Clinic first earning its Level 1 status in March 2023 and St. Vincent's following with its Level 1 designation this August, patients needing Level 1 care were put on a fixed-wing air ambulance and flown 550 miles south to Level 1 TC's in Denver or Salt Lake City, a 2.5 hour flight if the weather cooperates.
The problem: most patients so badly injured--car wrecks, industrial accidents, farm and ranch accidents, crime victims, etc. don't have 2 1/2 hours. If you've been crushed by your tractor rolling over on you at your farm in Scobey, you're critical, and it just took two hours for the fixed-wing air ambulance from BC or St. V's to fly from Billings to Scobey and back, you probably don't have another 2 1/2 hours after first being evaluated in the Billings ER to be then flown to Denver or Salt Lake.
In too many cases, air ambulances took off from Billings for Denver or Salt Lake with live patients in critical conditon and landed in Denver or Salt Lake with a corpse--the golden hour for trauma patients had turned into 3-5 hours that the patient didn't have. Without exaggeration, Billings two Level One TC's have already saved many Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota lives in the less than two years they have been accepting patients and they will save many more in the future !!!
And the significance of the two Level 1 Trauma Centers here in Billings--they will save the lives of many Montanans from all over Montana. Previous to Billings Clinic first earning its Level 1 status in March 2023 and St. Vincent's following with its Level 1 designation this August, patients needing Level 1 care were put on a fixed-wing air ambulance and flown 550 miles south to Level 1 TC's in Denver or Salt Lake City, a 2.5 hour flight if the weather cooperates.
The problem: most patients so badly injured--car wrecks, industrial accidents, farm and ranch accidents, crime victims, etc. don't have 2 1/2 hours. If you've been crushed by your tractor rolling over on you at your farm in Scobey, you're critical, and it just took two hours for the fixed-wing air ambulance from BC or St. V's to fly from Billings to Scobey and back, you probably don't have another 2 1/2 hours after first being evaluated in the Billings ER to be then flown to Denver or Salt Lake.
In too many cases, air ambulances took off from Billings for Denver or Salt Lake with live patients in critical conditon and landed in Denver or Salt Lake with a corpse--the golden hour for trauma patients had turned into 3-5 hours that the patient didn't have. Without exaggeration, Billings two Level One TC's have already saved many Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota lives in the less than two years they have been accepting patients and they will save many more in the future !!!
mtgrizrule
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Have you ever seen career descriptions? I'm not referring to military ranks.
Like this one from the Army's website for an Infantry officer?
"As an Infantry Officer, you’ll be responsible for leading Infantry Soldiers at all levels of command and combined armed forces during missions on the ground. You’ll assess the situation and lead attack, defense, and other operations."
