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Article on where Montana kids go, and why?

grizfnz said:
Dane is spewing BS in that article. The only one of the 5 studying engineering is Jones. Crews, Ortt are business majors, Dolan education, Rollins, who’s brother played at msu, is undeclared. Truth be told there are only around 13 players on the cat team who are actual ABET recognized engineering majors. They have several players in majors with fancy titles like financial engineering and construction engineering technology, but they won’t have engineering degrees.
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Oliver was talking about their interest when they were being recruited, not what they are doing now.
 
Btown said:
Fancy titles? You have no idea what you're talking about. I graduated from MSU in engineering and you are full of $hit.
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Yes fancy title, Financial engineering isn’t an ABET recognized engineering degree, it’s a business degree with a fancy title.
 
Yes, and academics cuts both ways. Similarly, if we have a Montana high-school athlete interested in becoming a pharmacist, reporter, forester or even a business major interested in earning part or all of his MBA while still on scholarship, he or she is coming to Missoula.

And concerning STEM, UM ran a commercial again today during the game promoting UM as the cyber-security hub/capital for Montana. This commercial has appeared frequently during both GRIZ and MSU games this fall. President Bodner and staff have done an excellent job promoting UM's academics, one of the big reasons our enrollment is again increasing !!!

Neither Missoula or Bozeman can claim to be Montana's medical capital--that would be Billings with the state's biggest and best hospital according to US News & World Report, Billings Clinic, Intermountain Health's St. Vincent's hospital--both BC and St. V's are Montana's only Level One trauma centers, and IMH just announced they're are building a brand-new $1 billion 14 floor, 735,000 square foot St. V's hospital just east of the current St. V's on North 27th, Montana's brand-new and only medical school, The Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine, whose first class of 160 students got underway last fall and Montana's first and only veterinarian school, The Montana College of Veterinary Medicine, whose campus is being built adjacent to the medical school and will accept its first class in Sept., 2026. A new MSU-B College of Nursing is also being built on MSU-B's campus, which is just north of St. V's and BC.

Since the medical school and veterinarian school are graduate programs, any recruiting advantages for MSU-B and Rocky Mountain College will be minimal. The new nursing school could attract some student-athletes to MSU-B, but the Yellowjackets haven't fielded a football team in almost 50 years. Plenty of UM and MSU grads will be accepted into our medical school and in fact already are in the first class, and we will also have plenty of GRIZ and Bobcat undergrads attending the veterinarian school once it opens in a little less than two years, Fall, 2026.

Whatever degree they are pursuing, student-athletes will receive a high-quality education at both UM and MSU as long as they put in the studying and work in the classroom !!!
 
grizfnz said:
Yes fancy title, Financial engineering isn’t an ABET recognized engineering degree, it’s a business degree with a fancy title.
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If it's in the engineering dept it's ABET accredited. It's either accredited as fiancial engineering or engineering technology.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
Perception is not the difference. There is a huge difference in marketability between an engineering degree and a science degree.
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Approximately 10% of your players are majoring in engineering. Lots of business, education, and ag majors on that roster.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
If it's in the engineering dept it's ABET accredited. It's either accredited as fiancial engineering or engineering technology.
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ABET does not recognize financial engineering as an engineering degree. There is no requirement to sit for the FE exam in the 4th year, unlike all other ABET recognized engineering degrees at msu, nor is there a PE exam to obtain professional registration.
 
grizfnz said:
ABET does not recognize financial engineering as an engineering degree. There is no requirement to sit for the FE exam in the 4th year, unlike all other ABET recognized engineering degrees at msu, nor is there a PE exam to obtain professional registration.
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I work in the aerospace industry. Since I am a senior design engineer and not a manager, I interview and give recommendation for hiring design and stress engineers. We only hire ABET accredited degrees which include engineering and engineering technology degrees. I have no idea what an FE exam is but most of the new hires we get have passed the EIT exam and are eligible to take the PE exam in four years. We hire MSU grads every single year. I'm very skeptical that financial engineering is whithin the engineering department and not ABET accredited.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
Very few people that can hack an engineering degree decide not to pursue work in that field.
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People's life experience is all over the board. There are various reasons for people to not use their degree. To think that's not something we see at MSU engineering is shortsighted. You can point at degrees all across the board and find people not using them. The whole argument is honestly silly on both sides. People with dance degrees are probably making tons of money in other arenas. People with medical degrees are going to do other things sometimes too. I know someone with a law degree that doesn't practice law.

He's a um fan so of course he's going to have a bigger sample size of um grads making lots of money. And on the converse, who is anyone to say a dude with an engineering degree deciding he wanted to tranquility of being a fishing guide is wrong. Missoula has alotnof fishing and rafting guides so it's probably pretty easy to find one that has a degree they decided not to use.
 
billingsgriz said:
Yes, and academics cuts both ways. Similarly, if we have a Montana high-school athlete interested in becoming a pharmacist, reporter, forester or even a business major interested in earning part or all of his MBA while still on scholarship, he or she is coming to Missoula.

And concerning STEM, UM ran a commercial again today during the game promoting UM as the cyber-security hub/capital for Montana. This commercial has appeared frequently during both GRIZ and MSU games this fall. President Bodner and staff have done an excellent job promoting UM's academics, one of the big reasons our enrollment is again increasing !!!

Neither Missoula or Bozeman can claim to be Montana's medical capital--that would be Billings with the state's biggest and best hospital according to US News & World Report, Billings Clinic, Intermountain Health's St. Vincent's hospital--both BC and St. V's are Montana's only Level One trauma centers, and IMH just announced they're are building a brand-new $1 billion 14 floor, 735,000 square foot St. V's hospital just east of the current St. V's on North 27th, Montana's brand-new and only medical school, The Montana College of Osteopathic Medicine, whose first class of 160 students got underway last fall and Montana's first and only veterinarian school, The Montana College of Veterinary Medicine, whose campus is being built adjacent to the medical school and will accept its first class in Sept., 2026. A new MSU-B College of Nursing is also being built on MSU-B's campus, which is just north of St. V's and BC.

Since the medical school and veterinarian school are graduate programs, any recruiting advantages for MSU-B and Rocky Mountain College will be minimal. The new nursing school could attract some student-athletes to MSU-B, but the Yellowjackets haven't fielded a football team in almost 50 years. Plenty of UM and MSU grads will be accepted into our medical school and in fact already are in the first class, and we will also have plenty of GRIZ and Bobcat undergrads attending the veterinarian school once it opens in a little less than two years, Fall, 2026.

Whatever degree they are pursuing, student-athletes will receive a high-quality education at both UM and MSU as long as they put in the studying and work in the classroom !!!
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I agree with everything you said, so no disagreement on my part. But correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there some sort of medical school that opened/is opening in great falls?
 
BigRock said:
I don't think the difference in the caliber of in-state recruits between the two programs is difficult to see. Neither is why: The development and confidence of Montana players at MSU is just at a different level. Mellott, Grebe, Wehr, Jones, Taco, Perkins, Brott ... these are Montana athletes identified, coached, empowered into legitimate stars -- and on a national level.

I think the staff is obviously made up of battle-hardened coaches who know all the X's and O's. (There hasn't been anything new in football in 50 years, as Bobby likes to say.) My question is: Are they good teachers who improve players? Are they good recruiters who land players who are already good? Are they innovative gameplanners who maximize the talent they have? If so, where is the disconnect? If not, who takes accountability?
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I don’t know who Brott is, but I think you’re taking a one-year sample set and applying it over the entire program. I mean, it’s going to ebb and flow somewhat from year to year. Just the last couple years we’ve had Hill, Janacaro, O’Connell, Boomcini, Myer, Klucewich, Lee, Graves, Flink, Bergen, Hauck, Welnel, etc.

What is probably most disappointing to me is guys we THOUGHT were going to excel who, for one reason or another, can’t seem to find/stay on the field. Kellen Detrick comes to mind first and foremost.
 
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