Are the Cats becoming a dominant program?

[IdaGriz01]

Cats shouldn't have been in the playoffs anymore than the Griz should have been. Two mediocre teams.

The whole conference is mediocre. None anywhere near the Bison

With three (I'm assuming Davis will hang on to win) of the eight quarterfinal teams from the Big Sky, I wouldn't say the conference, as a whole, was mediocre.

Some of us would look at the glass as being half full, others would only have the option of looking @ a shit pond.

Huh? I'm totally mystified by this statement.

Are you saying that the entire FCS -- which the Big Sky now "owns" 3/8 of -- is a "s**t pond? Please clarify. (Okay 3/8 is not "half full," but it ain't bad either.)

 

[bgbigdog]

The whole conference is mediocre. None anywhere near the Bison

With three (I'm assuming Davis will hang on to win) of the eight quarterfinal teams from the Big Sky, I wouldn't say the conference, as a whole, was mediocre.

Some of us would look at the glass as being half full, others would only have the option of looking @ a shit pond.

Huh? I'm totally mystified by this statement.

Are you saying that the entire FCS -- which the Big Sky now "owns" 3/8 of -- is a "s**t pond? Please clarify. (Okay 3/8 is not "half full," but it ain't bad either.)

I was referring to little bros take on the conference. All they have to work with there is choach & a crooked field that sits next to the shit pond. Nothing mediocre about the BSC this season.

 

[IdaGriz01]

With three (I'm assuming Davis will hang on to win) of the eight quarterfinal teams from the Big Sky, I wouldn't say the conference, as a whole, was mediocre.

Some of us would look at the glass as being half full, others would only have the option of looking @ a shit pond.

Huh? I'm totally mystified by this statement.
Are you saying that the entire FCS -- which the Big Sky now "owns" 3/8 of -- is a "s**t pond? Please clarify. (Okay 3/8 is not "half full," but it ain't bad either.)

I was referring to little bros take on the conference. All they have to work with there is choach & a crooked field that sits next to the shit pond. Nothing mediocre about the BSC this season.

Sorry, my bad. Gotcha.

 

[bigsky33]

There is not a team in the BSC that is close to NDSU.

 

[Grizzoola]

I think the BSC is showing pretty damned good @ 3/8, just short of 4/8, half. What other conference has as many as BSC in the quarter finals?

 

[IdaGriz01]

There is not a team in the BSC that is close to NDSU.

There is not (most likely) a team in all of FCS that is close to NDSU, when it plays it's best. And yes, we have looked at a lot of FCS football. Of the teams remaining, however, I would say that several were capable of beating NDSU if they play well and the Bizon are not at the top of their game. And that's without even including Colgate, which we have not seen play but surprised me by managing a win against JMU.

Here's a thought: Colgate just beat (very closely, of course) the 2016 FCS champion and 2017 runner-up. They now play the 2017 champion and 2018 favorite. How cool is that? And "that's why you play the game."

 

[Paytonlives]

You do realize the Choat is a .500 coach

Is that what you call dominance???

Get back to me in 5 years.

 

[Ursa Major]

Cats shouldn't have been in the playoffs anymore than the Griz should have been. Two mediocre teams.

The whole conference is mediocre. None anywhere near the Bison

With three (I'm assuming Davis will hang on to win) of the eight quarterfinal teams from the Big Sky, I wouldn't say the conference, as a whole, was mediocre.

Some of us would look at the glass as being half full, others would only have the option of looking @ a shit pond.

:lol: :lol: :clap:

 

[kemajic]

There is not a team in the BSC that is close to NDSU.

There is not (most likely) a team in all of FCS that is close to NDSU, when it plays it's best. And yes, we have looked at a lot of FCS football. Of the teams remaining, however, I would say that several were capable of beating NDSU if they play well and the Bizon are not at the top of their game. And that's without even including Colgate, which we have not seen play but surprised me by managing a win against JMU.

Here's a thought: Colgate just beat (very closely, of course) the 2016 FCS champion and 2017 runner-up. They now play the 2017 champion and 2018 favorite. How cool is that? And "that's why you play the game."

The 2018 JMU team was not a dominant team, 8-4, so Colgate joined the likes of 6-5 Elon and 4-7 New Hampshire in beating JMU. So not so cool. NDSU rolls.

 

[AZGrizFan]

There is not a team in the BSC that is close to NDSU.

There is not (most likely) a team in all of FCS that is close to NDSU, when it plays it's best. And yes, we have looked at a lot of FCS football. Of the teams remaining, however, I would say that several were capable of beating NDSU if they play well and the Bizon are not at the top of their game. And that's without even including Colgate, which we have not seen play but surprised me by managing a win against JMU.

Here's a thought: Colgate just beat (very closely, of course) the 2016 FCS champion and 2017 runner-up. They now play the 2017 champion and 2018 favorite. How cool is that? And "that's why you play the game."

The 2018 JMU team was not a dominant team, 8-4, so Colgate joined the likes of 6-5 Elon and 4-7 New Hampshire in beating JMU. So not so cool. NDSU rolls.

Seriously. I watched the bulk of that game...woof. Slow and plodding would be about as complimentary as I could get about either of those two programs.

 

[IdaGriz01]

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Seriously. I watched the bulk of that game...woof. Slow and plodding would be about as complimentary as I could get about either of those two programs.

We did not watch a lot of this game -- better ones going on elsewhere. But I'd have to agree about the pace of the game. I'm guessing that Colgate's only hope of not getting blown out is to somehow manage some ball control and burn lots of clock.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

No, they are not building toward a "dominate" program at the FCS level and I don't believe UM has the resources available to afford Coach Hauck that opportunity either. The Dakotas offer their student-athletes Cost of Attendance and stability within their administration, coaching AND strength and conditioning program. Both Montana "flagship" universities want "competitive" programs. Nothing more. Eyewash. Field a team so the old-has-beens can gather on Saturdays and cast their discerning opinion as to what their hand picked staff accomplishes against the likes of city college of Portland, middle of noplace Colorado, Utah, Washington or scraps off the table resource California afterthought schools.

In fact, both universities are filled with psuedo professors with virtually zero original thought, hence, their "peer reviewed" journal articles (those that get published) are limited to replication efforts. That school one of the University leg of the Board of Regents fiasco from realignment that used to be referred as the MIT of the West, Montana Tech is in the process of experiencing the same fate as the main campus in Missoula is today. In fact, the nursing program AT MSU, is using a building on the Missoula campus to provide a nursing program for western Montana.

While this entire state is busy squabbling and bickering about inconsequential and unimportant educational opportunities for the future growth AND STABILTY of the future leaders of this state, our Board of Regents have opted to educate at a reduced cost a workforce for the rest of the country. What percent of our university graduates remain in state?

Montana has chosen to participate, not to dominate at anything at any level.

Both flagship universities would love to have those NDSU and SDSU linemen who made that defensive line yesterday in Fargo look like east coast defensive backs. Will either school build linemen that any quarterback can stand behind them, hand off to any kid who gets decent grades and simply move down the field at will? I know both Choate and Hauck would like to see this happen but the reality is this state does not value education. When education becomes a priority again, there may in fact be dominate athletic programs with student-athletes who will put in the requisite hours training for their individual positions as they prepare for their professional athletic careers.

 

[kemajic]

No, they are not building toward a "dominate" program at the FCS level and I don't believe UM has the resources available to afford Coach Hauck that opportunity either. The Dakotas offer their student-athletes Cost of Attendance and stability within their administration, coaching AND strength and conditioning program. Both Montana "flagship" universities want "competitive" programs. Nothing more. Eyewash. Field a team so the old-has-beens can gather on Saturdays and cast their discerning opinion as to what their hand picked staff accomplishes against the likes of city college of Portland, middle of noplace Colorado, Utah, Washington or scraps off the table resource California afterthought schools.

In fact, both universities are filled with psuedo professors with virtually zero original thought, hence, their "peer reviewed" journal articles (those that get published) are limited to replication efforts. That school one of the University leg of the Board of Regents fiasco from realignment that used to be referred as the MIT of the West, Montana Tech is in the process of experiencing the same fate as the main campus in Missoula is today. In fact, the nursing program AT MSU, is using a building on the Missoula campus to provide a nursing program for western Montana.

While this entire state is busy squabbling and bickering about inconsequential and unimportant educational opportunities for the future growth AND STABILTY of the future leaders of this state, our Board of Regents have opted to educate at a reduced cost a workforce for the rest of the country. What percent of our university graduates remain in state?

Montana has chosen to participate, not to dominate at anything at any level.

Both flagship universities would love to have those NDSU and SDSU linemen who made that defensive line yesterday in Fargo look like east coast defensive backs. Will either school build linemen that any quarterback can stand behind them, hand off to any kid who gets decent grades and simply move down the field at will? I know both Choate and Hauck would like to see this happen but the reality is this state does not value education. When education becomes a priority again, there may in fact be dominate athletic programs with student-athletes who will put in the requisite hours training for their individual positions as they prepare for their professional athletic careers.

A lot of substance; most of it quite good. Shows why both are fits for the BSC.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

NDSU is the blueprint... obviously. Doesn't matter as much the talent that you have at the skill positions when you have a dominant OL, dominant front 7, and a QB that makes excellent decisions.

 

[bigsky33]

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Seriously. I watched the bulk of that game...woof. Slow and plodding would be about as complimentary as I could get about either of those two programs.

We did not watch a lot of this game -- better ones going on elsewhere. But I'd have to agree about the pace of the game. I'm guessing that Colgate's only hope of not getting blown out is to somehow manage some ball control and burn lots of clock.

Good luck with that! Colgate will get rolled!!

 

[Copper Griz]

No, they are not building toward a "dominate" program at the FCS level and I don't believe UM has the resources available to afford Coach Hauck that opportunity either. The Dakotas offer their student-athletes Cost of Attendance and stability within their administration, coaching AND strength and conditioning program. Both Montana "flagship" universities want "competitive" programs. Nothing more. Eyewash. Field a team so the old-has-beens can gather on Saturdays and cast their discerning opinion as to what their hand picked staff accomplishes against the likes of city college of Portland, middle of noplace Colorado, Utah, Washington or scraps off the table resource California afterthought schools.

In fact, both universities are filled with psuedo professors with virtually zero original thought, hence, their "peer reviewed" journal articles (those that get published) are limited to replication efforts. That school one of the University leg of the Board of Regents fiasco from realignment that used to be referred as the MIT of the West, Montana Tech is in the process of experiencing the same fate as the main campus in Missoula is today. In fact, the nursing program AT MSU, is using a building on the Missoula campus to provide a nursing program for western Montana.

While this entire state is busy squabbling and bickering about inconsequential and unimportant educational opportunities for the future growth AND STABILTY of the future leaders of this state, our Board of Regents have opted to educate at a reduced cost a workforce for the rest of the country. What percent of our university graduates remain in state?

Montana has chosen to participate, not to dominate at anything at any level.

Both flagship universities would love to have those NDSU and SDSU linemen who made that defensive line yesterday in Fargo look like east coast defensive backs. Will either school build linemen that any quarterback can stand behind them, hand off to any kid who gets decent grades and simply move down the field at will? I know both Choate and Hauck would like to see this happen but the reality is this state does not value education. When education becomes a priority again, there may in fact be dominate athletic programs with student-athletes who will put in the requisite hours training for their individual positions as they prepare for their professional athletic careers.

I agree with many of your points. I also struggle with some of it.
"our Board of Regents have opted to educate at a reduced cost a workforce for the rest of the country. What percent of our university graduates remain in state?" I am not in favor of raising in state tuition for Montana kids. The median income makes it tough enough for kids and their parents to afford and education. I am all for raising out of state tuition much higher than it already is. If you are an out of state kid and you want an education in Zoo Town, Bozangeles or any other Mt. institution - get ready to pay for it. One major thing that aggravates me about Missoula is the minimal amount of in state kids getting slots in the PT School or other programs that have limited student capacity. BS, but now the University system needs the cash, so in state kids get screwed. (similar in California and some other states as well). Graduates leaving the state to pursue careers elsewhere? Agree, but that problem lies with the legislature, Governor, Board of Regence and Presidents of the University Systems. Move into the 21st century folks. MSU Billings just embarked upon a major building project for a science building. This project is taking place in an era of high tech and distance learning expansion throughout the US. Not a wise move when they previously marketed themselves as City College and have lost any sense of campus. The only institution using their head is MSU Northern. They are preparing kids for the future in trades.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

No, they are not building toward a "dominate" program at the FCS level and I don't believe UM has the resources available to afford Coach Hauck that opportunity either. The Dakotas offer their student-athletes Cost of Attendance and stability within their administration, coaching AND strength and conditioning program. Both Montana "flagship" universities want "competitive" programs. Nothing more. Eyewash. Field a team so the old-has-beens can gather on Saturdays and cast their discerning opinion as to what their hand picked staff accomplishes against the likes of city college of Portland, middle of noplace Colorado, Utah, Washington or scraps off the table resource California afterthought schools.

In fact, both universities are filled with psuedo professors with virtually zero original thought, hence, their "peer reviewed" journal articles (those that get published) are limited to replication efforts. That school one of the University leg of the Board of Regents fiasco from realignment that used to be referred as the MIT of the West, Montana Tech is in the process of experiencing the same fate as the main campus in Missoula is today. In fact, the nursing program AT MSU, is using a building on the Missoula campus to provide a nursing program for western Montana.

While this entire state is busy squabbling and bickering about inconsequential and unimportant educational opportunities for the future growth AND STABILTY of the future leaders of this state, our Board of Regents have opted to educate at a reduced cost a workforce for the rest of the country. What percent of our university graduates remain in state?

Montana has chosen to participate, not to dominate at anything at any level.

Both flagship universities would love to have those NDSU and SDSU linemen who made that defensive line yesterday in Fargo look like east coast defensive backs. Will either school build linemen that any quarterback can stand behind them, hand off to any kid who gets decent grades and simply move down the field at will? I know both Choate and Hauck would like to see this happen but the reality is this state does not value education. When education becomes a priority again, there may in fact be dominate athletic programs with student-athletes who will put in the requisite hours training for their individual positions as they prepare for their professional athletic careers.

I agree with many of your points. I also struggle with some of it.
"our Board of Regents have opted to educate at a reduced cost a workforce for the rest of the country. What percent of our university graduates remain in state?" I am not in favor of raising in state tuition for Montana kids. The median income makes it tough enough for kids and their parents to afford and education. I am all for raising out of state tuition much higher than it already is. If you are an out of state kid and you want an education in Zoo Town, Bozangeles or any other Mt. institution - get ready to pay for it. One major thing that aggravates me about Missoula is the minimal amount of in state kids getting slots in the PT School or other programs that have limited student capacity. BS, but now the University system needs the cash, so in state kids get screwed. (similar in California and some other states as well). Graduates leaving the state to pursue careers elsewhere? Agree, but that problem lies with the legislature, Governor, Board of Regence and Presidents of the University Systems. Move into the 21st century folks. MSU Billings just embarked upon a major building project for a science building. This project is taking place in an era of high tech and distance learning expansion throughout the US. Not a wise move when they previously marketed themselves as City College and have lost any sense of campus. The only institution using their head is MSU Northern. They are preparing kids for the future in trades.

MSU Billings is part of the Montana State schools. Waded is president of the three MSU schools and the young Major is president of the three University schools. Not certain how Western is doing now. Anyway. Point made relative bickering and squabbling. Standards based grading in conjunction with competency based grading will hit Montana, and this is just a guess, about 2030. Maybe as early as 2025 but I'm not going to bet on that date in any system out of the Bozeangeles area.

May I also state I have two kids attending college now in Montana. One attended Rocky last year as a freshman and the other U of M. The checks written to both schools were upsetting as the check to Rocky with their rather steep tuition was less than half that to the U of M! The one in Rocky transferred to MSU this year and the check was larger yet still less than that to the U of M. I know dad! Go figure. The cuts due to declining enrollment forgot somehow the reason the professors have jobs and were much too steep in the student services sector but what do I know? Anyway, education today is much different that when I was a student in the 60s and 70s, long before my grad school endeavors.

 

[Grizzoola]

I suggest a major reorganization of the MUS is long overdue. W/o going into the history of the present configuration, the 2 yr schools should have their own commissioner and budget. The BofR would still govern the systems. IOW, get the universities out of control of the 2 yr schools. Most states have separate university/2 yr systems, some w/ separate BofRs. I don't propose a separate BofR for the 2yr schools. The MUS system is a complex hodgpodge. Universities and 2 yr schools have separate missions. It's a mistake to conflate the two. Then, the universities can concentrate on what they do best & the 2 yr schools the same.

Also, MT's system is not exclusively a university system and should no longer be called that. It should be called the MT Higher Education System, instead.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

I suggest a major reorganization of the MUS is long overdue. W/o going into the history of the present configuration, the 2 yr schools should have their own commissioner and budget. The BofR would still govern the systems. IOW, get the universities out of control of the 2 yr schools. Most states have separate university/2 yr systems, some w/ separate BofRs. I don't propose a separate BofR for the 2yr schools. The MUS system is a complex hodgpodge. Universities and 2 yr schools have separate missions. It's a mistake to conflate the two. Then, the universities can concentrate on what they do best & the 2 yr schools the same.

Also, MT's system is not exclusively a university system and should no longer be called that. It should be called the MT Higher Education System, instead.

I concur with respect to the two year school mission and governance; however, just as the U.S. DOE is driving this bus toward standards based grading and competency based grading we are in urgent need out here to have several of the old dinosaurs littering our higher ed halls get off the bus at the next stop. It is ludicrous in 2019 that we all too often view students taking coursework two and three times rather than simply affording them the opportunity to test out of a class or seeing a requirement that one third of a programs coursework MUST be taken by a student at that MUS school. Screw that and if you don't believe the kids are opting out of that requirement, keep viewing the declining FTE counts at the University schools. People are well informed today and when there are better options elsewhere, they are going elsewhere.

Just as administrators build championship programs according to Calipari, so do school admininstrators build great universities.