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Are the Cats becoming a dominant program?
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The.Real.2506
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This question might be asked again in 5 years, but right now no
Nationally the only dominate team is NDSU
In the BSC I think its EWU, WSU is pushing and will likely be near the top as long as they keep Hill.
Statewide, Cats have won 3 in a row over the college of dance over the hill, but haven't had that signature blowout win to call them dominate yet.
The Cats however are improving and building.
Nationally the only dominate team is NDSU
In the BSC I think its EWU, WSU is pushing and will likely be near the top as long as they keep Hill.
Statewide, Cats have won 3 in a row over the college of dance over the hill, but haven't had that signature blowout win to call them dominate yet.
The Cats however are improving and building.
The naysayers simply haven't done their homework... All of the elements that portend an ascending program are in place in the Gallatin Valley. First off, a stable institution with an outstanding president who understands the public profile importance of winning football bringing in a bright new coach when a change was indicated. Waded Cruzado was also key to cutting in half the time frame for expanding new end zone seating. And unlike the cowtown of my undergrad days Bozeman today is the fastest growing city in the state.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
Silvertip said:The naysayers simply haven't done their homework... All of the elements that portend an ascending program are in place in the Gallatin Valley. First off, a stable institution with an outstanding president who understands the public profile importance of winning football bringing in a bright new coach when a change was indicated. Waded Cruzado was also key to cutting in half the time frame for expanding new end zone seating. And unlike the cowtown of my undergrad days Bozeman today is the fastest growing city in the state.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
1)Missoula will soon have a state of the art airport. It's also the most expensive place to fly into Montana from virtually anywhere in the country.
2) Bodnar>>Cruzado IMHO
3) While they're worrying about end zone seating, we're planning for an indoor practice facility. While they're replacing sideline seating, we're putting the bow on a champions' center and brand new locker rooms.
4) While they're thrilled to go 7-4 and beat the Griz, we're firing coaches for that and have a much higher performance expectation.
Sure, there's a bunch of brand spanking new bandwagon fans, but they'll be gone as soon as the team implodes again. Which it inevitably will.
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AZGrizFan said:Silvertip said:The naysayers simply haven't done their homework... All of the elements that portend an ascending program are in place in the Gallatin Valley. First off, a stable institution with an outstanding president who understands the public profile importance of winning football bringing in a bright new coach when a change was indicated. Waded Cruzado was also key to cutting in half the time frame for expanding new end zone seating. And unlike the cowtown of my undergrad days Bozeman today is the fastest growing city in the state.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
1)Missoula will soon have a state of the art airport. It's also the most expensive place to fly into Montana from virtually anywhere in the country. Zootown THE MOST EXPENSIVE...that's a positive?!
2) Bodnar>>Cruzado IMHO Track record..track record...
3) While they're worrying about end zone seating, Uhh, It's already done we're planning for an indoor practice facility. While they're replacing sideline seating, we're putting the bow on a champions' center and brand new locker rooms. Yep, a challenge for the Cats in the arms race
4) While they're thrilled to go 7-4 and beat the Griz, we're firing coaches for that and have a much higher performance expectation. TWO STRAIGHT LOSSES TO THE CATS GETS YOU FIRED :!: DUH>>>
Sure, there's a bunch of brand spanking new bandwagon fans, but they'll be gone as soon as the team implodes again. Which it inevitably will. We'll see. Won't we :?:
The.Real.2506
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well I was seated at he tournament last weekend, but its been awhile since the Cats were seededgrizpsych said:
NorthwestFresh
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Westcoastfan said:
Not at all. Not even a dominant Big Sky team at this point.
NorthwestFresh
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PlayerRep said:
He never claimed they were dominant, Coach Lombardi. You must read a different post than the rest of us mere humans. A tarnish on your legacy, Coach.
AZGrizFan said:Silvertip said:The naysayers simply haven't done their homework... All of the elements that portend an ascending program are in place in the Gallatin Valley. First off, a stable institution with an outstanding president who understands the public profile importance of winning football bringing in a bright new coach when a change was indicated. Waded Cruzado was also key to cutting in half the time frame for expanding new end zone seating. And unlike the cowtown of my undergrad days Bozeman today is the fastest growing city in the state.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
1)Missoula will soon have a state of the art airport. It's also the most expensive place to fly into Montana from virtually anywhere in the country.
2) Bodnar>>Cruzado IMHO
3) While they're worrying about end zone seating, we're planning for an indoor practice facility. While they're replacing sideline seating, we're putting the bow on a champions' center and brand new locker rooms.
4) While they're thrilled to go 7-4 and beat the Griz, we're firing coaches for that and have a much higher performance expectation.
Sure, there's a bunch of brand spanking new bandwagon fans, but they'll be gone as soon as the team implodes again. Which it inevitably will.
Both of your posts were good.
Copper Griz
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Silvertip said:The naysayers simply haven't done their homework... All of the elements that portend an ascending program are in place in the Gallatin Valley. First off, a stable institution with an outstanding president who understands the public profile importance of winning football bringing in a bright new coach when a change was indicated. Waded Cruzado was also key to cutting in half the time frame for expanding new end zone seating. And unlike the cowtown of my undergrad days Bozeman today is the fastest growing city in the state.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
This is a solid post. Very solid. MSU has benefited from economics, location and damn strong leadership. Bozangeles caught fire and it is a true destination spot. I think it will be interesting to watch what the economy does over the next few years and how educational institutions adapt. Higher education is a struggle right now in most states. Bodnar is hopefully up to the task. I believe his background aligns well with the changes and the vision that will be required to keep U of M competitive. Unfortunately he had a mess to clean up. Tough to move forward before the clean up is complete. Similar to Hauck’s situation.
George Ferguson
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Silvertip said:The naysayers simply haven't done their homework... All of the elements that portend an ascending program are in place in the Gallatin Valley. First off, a stable institution with an outstanding president who understands the public profile importance of winning football bringing in a bright new coach when a change was indicated. Waded Cruzado was also key to cutting in half the time frame for expanding new end zone seating. And unlike the cowtown of my undergrad days Bozeman today is the fastest growing city in the state.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
Actually, a lot of what you said about the economy of Bozeman and the state of Montana State University is very true. Thriving would be an understatement. But, you would be very wrong in your assumption that money is "pouring in" to the football program. The only sure thing right now in MSU's Facilities Plan is their Student-Athlete Academic Center, something UM opened over five years ago. The rest of the plan is still in the fundraising stage. And it's a very big price tag for everything they want to do. MSU's version of the Champions Center or what I call a Football Ops Building is next on the list, and they're not there right now. The indoor practice facility is much farther down the road if you look at Costello's Facilities Plan, and I will bet you ANY amount of money you want, Montana has their's done long before the Cats get to that part of their plan.
As for the OP, I'm NOT a Cat hater, but NO, MSU is not becoming a dominant program as of Nov. 26. Can they? Sure they can. They are building a good, solid football program, but dominant? Not even close.
George Ferguson said:Silvertip said:The naysayers simply haven't done their homework... All of the elements that portend an ascending program are in place in the Gallatin Valley. First off, a stable institution with an outstanding president who understands the public profile importance of winning football bringing in a bright new coach when a change was indicated. Waded Cruzado was also key to cutting in half the time frame for expanding new end zone seating. And unlike the cowtown of my undergrad days Bozeman today is the fastest growing city in the state.
Looking at the demographics of the metro area with its high per cent of aggressive entrepreneurs, big ag folks and high salaried workforce one might reasonably conclude that increasing dollars will be headed to supporting athletics - namely football. They have a state-of-the-art airport (the busiest in MT) that further facilitates recruiting efforts. Contrary to one poster's comment Montana is more than capable of supporting two premier programs. Fan support is cranking for Cat supporters who will soon be seeing major upgrades to Bobcat Stadium including replacing and expanding NE sideline seating. Their AD is also talking of plans for construction of an indoor practice facility
Unfortunately virtually every check mark attributed to MSU is currently lacking in Missoula. Hopefully, given time, Bodnar will right the ship but this is going to be a long slog in playing catch up with a sister institution that is already arguably in the lead. Wish it weren't so - but the evidence is hard to refute.
Hard-bitten Cat haters are going to find increasingly little solace in butting heads with reality.
Actually, a lot of what you said about the economy of Bozeman and the state of Montana State University is very true. Thriving would be an understatement. But, you would be very wrong in your assumption that money is "pouring in" to the football program. The only sure thing right now in MSU's Facilities Plan is their Student-Athlete Academic Center, something UM opened over five years ago. The rest of the plan is still in the fundraising stage. And it's a very big price tag for everything they want to do. MSU's version of the Champions Center or what I call a Football Ops Building is next on the list, and they're not there right now. The indoor practice facility is much farther down the road if you look at Costello's Facilities Plan, and I will bet you ANY amount of money you want, Montana has their's done long before the Cats get to that part of their plan.
As for the OP, I'm NOT a Cat hater, but NO, MSU is not becoming a dominant program as of Nov. 26. Can they? Sure they can. They are building a good, solid football program, but dominant? Not even close.
George, your post is right on. On the facilities part, I agree the money is not pouring into athletics. They are still in need of a Denny Washington type whale. There are many in the area so hopefully they will land one! Choate is definitely building the football program the right way. No, no dominance yet. Long ways to go!
NorthwestFresh
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ranco said:
Towson had ~2,100 by comparison.
Wofford 2,100
SE Missouri 5,700
James Madison 7,300
Nichols 8,500
Northern Iowa 4,00
JMU and UNI are both more traditionally powerful programs than Montana State, so I'd say the attendance argument is a dud.
