App must avoid duplicating Custar's Last Stand

[PlayerRep]

Fans who attribute losses to not making adjustments and being outcoached make me wonder if they understand the ....

 

[Griz2k]

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

I would have "adjusted" our second-half turnovers.

I would have tried to score more points.

you sir are a goddamned genius. :thumb:

That's what I keep trying to tell these freaking idiots!

 

[EverettGriz]

Whenever I see the title of this thread, all I think about is:

 

[Big G]

^^^^ What those two said.

Being able to make adjustments on both sides of the ball is the key thing I'm looking for in our coaches this year. It was practically nonexistent all of last year.

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

 

[garizzalies]

I wasn't exactly thrilled with Hauck's halftime "adjustments" against James Madison in the chipper. :evil:

Or against Villanover in '09.

Or Richmond.

Meh. I think we just weren't as good of a team as Richmond. That game really was never in doubt.

I disagree. A simple adjustment, like double teaming Sidbury or using a chip block, would have made a differnce. There were two plays in that game that blew it open (pass to the qb and when we f'd up in the red zone). I think Richmond squeaked by UNI the prior week. They caught fire at the right time but they were not world beaters. In fact they needed a ton of luck.

 

[Griz2k]

Fans who attribute losses to not making adjustments and being outcoached make me wonder if they understand the ....

So what is it that you're trying to say there PR? That one can never be "out coached"?

 

[PlayerRep]

Fans who attribute losses to not making adjustments and being outcoached make me wonder if they understand the ....

So what is it that you're trying to say there PR? That one can never be "out coached"?

Nope, that's not what I said at all. I meant exactly what I said. Let me know if you'd like me to explain it to you in more detail.

How many fans do you think really understand if the team was outcoached or not, or whether other adjustments should have been made?

 

[grizfan95]

Fans who attribute losses to not making adjustments and being outcoached make me wonder if they understand the ....

So what is it that you're trying to say there PR? That one can never be "out coached"?

Nope, that's not what I said at all. I meant exactly what I said. Let me know if you'd like me to explain it to you in more detail.

How many fans do you think really understand if the team was outcoached or not, or whether other adjustments should have been made?

Very few. The coaches put the players in the best chance to win, but really it's up to the players to make the coach look good and/or bad.

 

[Griz2k]

Fans who attribute losses to not making adjustments and being outcoached make me wonder if they understand the ....

So what is it that you're trying to say there PR? That one can never be "out coached"?

Nope, that's not what I said at all. I meant exactly what I said. Let me know if you'd like me to explain it to you in more detail.

How many fans do you think really understand if the team was outcoached or not, or whether other adjustments should have been made?

Well you didn't really "say" anything which is why I was asking.

 

[PlayerRep]

Fans who attribute losses to not making adjustments and being outcoached make me wonder if they understand the ....

So what is it that you're trying to say there PR? That one can never be "out coached"?

Nope, that's not what I said at all. I meant exactly what I said. Let me know if you'd like me to explain it to you in more detail.

How many fans do you think really understand if the team was outcoached or not, or whether other adjustments should have been made?

Well you didn't really "say" anything which is why I was asking.

Fans who attribute losses to not making adjustments and being outcoached make me wonder if they understand the game.

 

[Big G]

I see this place is a good ole boys club, have a good season no reason for anyone else to post.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

^^^^ What those two said.

Being able to make adjustments on both sides of the ball is the key thing I'm looking for in our coaches this year. It was practically nonexistent all of last year.

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

^^^^ What those two said.

Being able to make adjustments on both sides of the ball is the key thing I'm looking for in our coaches this year. It was practically nonexistent all of last year.

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

The Griz were on the road down by 8 with a chance to tie with a TD and a two point conversion at the end if the game. That game was about Griz mistakes more than a lack of adjustments IMO.The fumbled kick off, missed extra point etc. Hermanson did not play well for sure but who should Coach Ty have gone to instead? The 5'9" Romminger, against those tall receivers? Remember, we were already down two back up safeties by that game. At QB, would SSH have been an upgrade over TM? I don't see it. The safeties did get beat "over the top" again on that skinny post. Just like they did in the South Dakota game. Maybe Coach Ty should have been ready for that play. That can be argued. Anyway, the Griz had their chances to get the victory on the road. They just couldn't get it done.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I see this place is a good ole boys club, have a good season no reason for anyone else to post.

C'mon now Big G! Don't take that attitude. The more opinions the better I always say.

 

[PlayerRep]

^^^^ What those two said.

Being able to make adjustments on both sides of the ball is the key thing I'm looking for in our coaches this year. It was practically nonexistent all of last year.

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

^^^^ What those two said.

Being able to make adjustments on both sides of the ball is the key thing I'm looking for in our coaches this year. It was practically nonexistent all of last year.

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

The Griz were on the road down by 8 with a chance to tie with a TD and a two point conversion at the end if the game. That game was about Griz mistakes more than a lack of adjustments IMO.The fumbled kick off, missed extra point etc. Hermanson did not play well for sure but who should Coach Ty have gone to instead? The 5'9" Romminger, against those tall receivers? Remember, we were already down two back up safeties by that game. At QB, would SSH have been an upgrade over TM? I don't see it. The safeties did get beat "over the top" again on that skinny post. Just like they did in the South Dakota game. Maybe Coach Ty should have been ready for that play. That can be argued. Anyway, the Griz had their chances to get the victory on the road. They just couldn't get it done.

I agree with your analysis of the game, except I don't know what your comment regarding Gregorak is about and don't think I agree on Hermanson, or on the safeties getting beat over the top (but I don't recall specifically on the pass plays). Hermanson was our leading tackler with 12 tackles. From looking at the invididual stats, ASU's main receivers had long receptions of 32, 25 and 17. There doesn't seem to be alot of getting beat over the top in there, altho the 2 longer ones were TD's.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

What adjustments would you have made in the App St game last year?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

The Griz were on the road down by 8 with a chance to tie with a TD and a two point conversion at the end if the game. That game was about Griz mistakes more than a lack of adjustments IMO.The fumbled kick off, missed extra point etc. Hermanson did not play well for sure but who should Coach Ty have gone to instead? The 5'9" Romminger, against those tall receivers? Remember, we were already down two back up safeties by that game. At QB, would SSH have been an upgrade over TM? I don't see it. The safeties did get beat "over the top" again on that skinny post. Just like they did in the South Dakota game. Maybe Coach Ty should have been ready for that play. That can be argued. Anyway, the Griz had their chances to get the victory on the road. They just couldn't get it done.

I agree with your analysis of the game, except I don't know what your comment regarding Gregorak is about and don't think I agree on Hermanson, or on the safeties getting beat over the top (but I don't recall specifically on the pass plays). Hermanson was our leading tackler with 12 tackles. From looking at the invididual stats, ASU's main receivers had long receptions of 32, 25 and 17. There doesn't seem to be alot of getting beat over the top in there, altho the 2 longer ones were TD's.

PR:

I believe it was the 2nd or 3rd ASU TD. Probably about 30 yards out. From what I remember there was no safety in the deep middle. Tully came over late but the ASU receiver was already by him for the TD. A very similar play occurred in the South Dakota game so I don't know if ASU saw something on the game film. As far as Hermanson, the previous poster had suggested that Ty should have pulled him if he was hurt. I was questioning the rationale of that move since the Griz were already short on safeties because of injuries. I didn't feel that Romminger was necessarily a good "match up" against those tall WR's and he really was the only safety available.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

Offensively I would have tried any other quarterback in the passing game and pulled T-mac because of the ints but would have kept Moore pounding them the whole second half.

Defensively I would have quit playing zone and used some press coverage to knock the WR's timing off. Dennard is strong enough to get up and hit somebody on the line to alter the receivers route. Rotate in different safety's if Hermy was really hurt like everyone says he was last year. The sit back and wait for them to make a mistake defense Ty was calling was crazy.

How about you, what changes would you have made?

The Griz were on the road down by 8 with a chance to tie with a TD and a two point conversion at the end if the game. That game was about Griz mistakes more than a lack of adjustments IMO.The fumbled kick off, missed extra point etc. Hermanson did not play well for sure but who should Coach Ty have gone to instead? The 5'9" Romminger, against those tall receivers? Remember, we were already down two back up safeties by that game. At QB, would SSH have been an upgrade over TM? I don't see it. The safeties did get beat "over the top" again on that skinny post. Just like they did in the South Dakota game. Maybe Coach Ty should have been ready for that play. That can be argued. Anyway, the Griz had their chances to get the victory on the road. They just couldn't get it done.

I agree with your analysis of the game, except I don't know what your comment regarding Gregorak is about and don't think I agree on Hermanson, or on the safeties getting beat over the top (but I don't recall specifically on the pass plays). Hermanson was our leading tackler with 12 tackles. From looking at the invididual stats, ASU's main receivers had long receptions of 32, 25 and 17. There doesn't seem to be alot of getting beat over the top in there, altho the 2 longer ones were TD's.

PR:

I believe it was the 2nd or 3rd ASU TD. Probably about 30 yards out. From what I remember there was no safety in the deep middle. Tully came over late but the ASU receiver was already by him for the TD. A very similar play occurred in the South Dakota game so I don't know if ASU saw something on the game film. As far as Hermanson, the previous poster had suggested that Ty should have pulled him if he was hurt. I was questioning the rationale of that move since the Griz were already short on safeties because of injuries. I didn't feel that Romminger was necessarily a good "match up" against those tall WR's and he really was the only safety available.

The play that I referred to was actually the first ASU TD. My bad.

 

[mcg]

Custar was stupid. As K. Ross Toole pointed out many years ago, he made the mistake of attacking a native community of 10,000 (or so) with three hundred soldiers. What would you expect would happen.

Perhaps our friends from Boone are making the mistake of attacking a community of 23,000 with just a few soldiers. Time will tell.

 

[Hammer]

Custar was stupid. As K. Ross Toole pointed out many years ago, he made the mistake of attacking a native community of 10,000 (or so) with three hundred soldiers. What would you expect would happen.

Perhaps our friends from Boone are making the mistake of attacking a community of 23,000 with just a few soldiers. Time will tell.

Custar??

 

[PlayerRep]

The safeties were not getting beat over the top. Just watched highlights. Neither of the two longer TD's, the longest of which was only 32 yards and which were the two longest pass plays for App St, were in safety territory. Both were up the right sideline. The corner got beat on the first TD. The safety was far from the play. Maybe he should have been in better position, but he was coming from the middle of the field.

The App St game was the second game of the season. Was Hermie hurt already? Not to my knowledge, but don't know. If he wasn't hurt at this point of the season, why should Gregorak be criticized for not taking him out.

I can't imagine that App St saw anything on the film at this point of the season. The UND game was 2 months later.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Custar was stupid. As K. Ross Toole pointed out many years ago, he made the mistake of attacking a native community of 10,000 (or so) with three hundred soldiers. What would you expect would happen.

Perhaps our friends from Boone are making the mistake of attacking a community of 23,000 with just a few soldiers. Time will tell.

Custar??

I hear Ishtar just came out on DVD, so maybe this thread simply began with mistaken identity. As for Custer, most informed observers would agree that he underestimated his competition and got what he deserved.