Another QB we didn't recruit

[uptopgriz]

No, a dynamic recruiter is the most important part.

Which once again doesn't address that there are still limited resources.

Nope. Maybe limited skills with setting priorities not limited resources.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Which once again doesn't address that there are still limited resources.

Nope. Maybe limited skills with setting priorities not limited resources.

Are you suggesting that UM has unlimited resources? I also never suggested that they couldn't do things better, must that there are limits to resources.

 

[AZGrizFan]

He also had ZERO D-1 offers and walked on at EWU. Besides. Anyone who had Cooper Kupp to throw to is automatically disqualified. Try again.

And your point is??? I thought our coaches were paid to evaluate recruits? We signed Berquist when he had zero other offers. Gubrud is from McMinnville, OR, in the heart of our recruiting area, yet we were not able to properly evaluate him??? Did our coaching staff even know of him? Did they offer him a preferred walk-on opportunity like EWU did?
Oh, we flamed on Cooper Kupp also, who wanted to come here. Not much argument supporting our recruiting efforts, huh?

My point is that nobody ELSE thought he was worthy of a scholarship either. The fact that he turned out good obviously wasn’t evident to even the bright minds at some of the other schools in the conference either.

And I never said we didn’t flame on Kupp. But ANY QB that gets to throw to Kupp is automatically made to look all-world and disqualified from further discussion.

 

[uptopgriz]

Nope. Maybe limited skills with setting priorities not limited resources.

Are you suggesting that UM has unlimited resources? I also never suggested that they couldn't do things better, must that there are limits to resources.

Yep, use your players to recruit for you instead of banning them from promoting themselves.. Haucks ignorant regarding the power of social media

 

[uofmman1122]

Are you suggesting that UM has unlimited resources? I also never suggested that they couldn't do things better, must that there are limits to resources.

Yep, use your players to recruit for you instead of banning them from promoting themselves.. Haucks ignorant regarding the power of social media

You mean like this?

https://twitter.com/zayxchilds/status/1611208021568258048

 

[mthoopsfan]

Yep, use your players to recruit for you instead of banning them from promoting themselves.. Haucks ignorant regarding the power of social media

You mean like this?

https://twitter.com/zayxchilds/status/1611208021568258048

Griz players have recruited other players for years. Tripp et al recruited a lot in their days. Where's the banning from promoting themselves coming from? Just made up, I assume.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

And your point is??? I thought our coaches were paid to evaluate recruits? We signed Berquist when he had zero other offers. Gubrud is from McMinnville, OR, in the heart of our recruiting area, yet we were not able to properly evaluate him??? Did our coaching staff even know of him? Did they offer him a preferred walk-on opportunity like EWU did?
Oh, we flamed on Cooper Kupp also, who wanted to come here. Not much argument supporting our recruiting efforts, huh?

My point is that nobody ELSE thought he was worthy of a scholarship either. The fact that he turned out good obviously wasn’t evident to even the bright minds at some of the other schools in the conference either.

And I never said we didn’t flame on Kupp. But ANY QB that gets to throw to Kupp is automatically made to look all-world and disqualified from further discussion.

Please. I guess the pass just magically appears within Kupp's arm reach. Even Brown could look like an All-American there, huh? Oh, Gabe also had Bourne to magically catch his passes too

 

[uofmman1122]

My point is that nobody ELSE thought he was worthy of a scholarship either. The fact that he turned out good obviously wasn’t evident to even the bright minds at some of the other schools in the conference either.

And I never said we didn’t flame on Kupp. But ANY QB that gets to throw to Kupp is automatically made to look all-world and disqualified from further discussion.

Please. I guess the pass just magically appears within Kupp's arm reach. Even Brown could look like an All-American there, huh? Oh, Gabe also had Bourne to magically catch his passes too

Yeah, Gubrud was so good without Kupp and Bourne that when he transferred to WAZZU, he couldn't do better than 3rd string.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Please. I guess the pass just magically appears within Kupp's arm reach. Even Brown could look like an All-American there, huh? Oh, Gabe also had Bourne to magically catch his passes too

Yeah, Gubrud was so good without Kupp and Bourne that when he transferred to WAZZU, he couldn't do better than 3rd string.

GuBrud broke an all-time EWU passing record by torching the Griz for 549 passing yards and 4 TDs.

In addition, Johnson was so good that he couldn't win the starting QB job for two second-tier FBS teams, Georgia Tech and San Diego State.......... yet he was our super hero here. Try again.

GAGE GUBRUD Top Passing Performances (16 with 300+, 10 with 400+)
549 yards (#1 in EWU history), 44-of-65, 4 TD, 1 Int. – Montana – 9/23/17
520 yards (#2 in EWU history), 37-of-51, 4 TD, 0 Int. – MSU – 10/22/16
486 yards (#4), 33-of-46, 6 TD, 0 Int. – UC Davis – 10/1/16

You'd be selling your wife if we landed a QB as good as Gubrud

 

[uofmman1122]

You don’t remember that 2017 game, do you?

He came out down at halftime and threw for almost 400 yards in the second half on screen passes that we inexplicably could not defend.

He was decent, and with the benefit of hindsight, yeah I’d take him this year, but we didn’t miss out on him as much as we missed out on having 3 NFL receivers like EWU did when he was playing.

 

[Bok_Choi]

Please. I guess the pass just magically appears within Kupp's arm reach. Even Brown could look like an All-American there, huh? Oh, Gabe also had Bourne to magically catch his passes too

Yeah, Gubrud was so good without Kupp and Bourne that when he transferred to WAZZU, he couldn't do better than 3rd string.

Gube graduate transferred after three pretty good seasons, 2016 Big Sky Conference Co-MVP and two-time Walter Payton Award candidate. Followed guys like Mitchell, Nichols & Adams and was pushed by Barriere so there wasn't any pressing reason to stay. Seems a little bit like the Toure situation. Kid betting on himself.

Kupp, Bourne, and insert name here, there were so GD many of them in the past decade, that no matter who was pitching or catching, EWU's passing game was lethal. Minus 2022, won a bunch of football games. Overall, an embarrassment of riches, over a long stretch of time. I'm guessing we can attribute that to solid recruiting and good coaching, over a couple of regimes. Wasn't like the ambiance at Cheney was any kind of draw.

Sneed to Akem, Toure, and JLM were pretty dam good as well. But who are those guys on the current roster? We have the next transfer savior QB, and what else? I think at least one of those guys would have been converted to TE at EWU three seasons ago, assuming he'd been recruited at all.

 

[uofmman1122]

Yeah, Gubrud was so good without Kupp and Bourne that when he transferred to WAZZU, he couldn't do better than 3rd string.

Gube graduate transferred after three pretty good seasons, 2016 Big Sky Conference Co-MVP and two-time Walter Payton Award candidate. Followed guys like Mitchell, Nichols & Adams and was pushed by Barriere so there wasn't any pressing reason to stay. Seems a little bit like the Toure situation. Kid betting on himself.

Kupp, Bourne, and insert name here, there were so GD many of them in the past decade, that no matter who was pitching or catching, EWU's passing game was lethal. Minus 2022, won a bunch of football games. Overall, an embarrassment of riches, over a long stretch of time. I'm guessing we can attribute that to solid recruiting and good coaching, over a couple of regimes. Wasn't like the ambiance at Cheney was any kind of draw.

Sneed to Akem, Toure, and JLM were pretty dam good as well. But who are those guys on the current roster? We have the next transfer savior QB, and what else? I think at least one of those guys would have been converted to TE at EWU three seasons ago, assuming he'd been recruited at all.

I definitely think their system sets them up to be explosive in the passing game, but it's a lot easier when you've got better WRs than almost literally every other FCS team out there. I agree with the betting on himself part, and it clearly didn't work out, because he didn't differentiate himself. Without those NFL receivers, he wasn't any better than the guys WAZZU already had. I don't think he would've had nearly the same success had he been a QB at Montana during that time, so I'm not sure I'd say we missed out on him.

As for who we have at WR now, it's a mixed bag of unknowns, for sure. Bergen and Fontes are both pretty good, but not on the Akem/Toure level yet. I've heard good things about Racanelli, but he got hurt. Our guys would have to take huge leaps in order to be on the Akem/Toure/JLM level, let alone the Kupp/Bourne/Webster level, which is why I think we're looking for a dropdown guy that can be a #1 type guy for us.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

You don’t remember that 2017 game, do you?

He came out down at halftime and threw for almost 400 yards in the second half on screen passes that we inexplicably could not defend.

He was decent, and with the benefit of hindsight, yeah I’d take him this year, but we didn’t miss out on him as much as we missed out on having 3 NFL receivers like EWU did when he was playing.

So, it is all about the receivers who make the QB throw accurate passes? I guess the Arizona Cardinals didn't get that message, with DeAndre Hopkins and Hollywood Brown, but no QB who can get them the ball.

 

[uofmman1122]

You don’t remember that 2017 game, do you?

He came out down at halftime and threw for almost 400 yards in the second half on screen passes that we inexplicably could not defend.

He was decent, and with the benefit of hindsight, yeah I’d take him this year, but we didn’t miss out on him as much as we missed out on having 3 NFL receivers like EWU did when he was playing.

So, it is all about the receivers who make the QB throw accurate passes? I guess the Arizona Cardinals didn't get that message, with DeAndre Hopkins and Hollywood Brown, but no QB who can get them the ball.

Love how you can't make a salient point without jumping to hyperbole. Gubrud was a decent QB who got carried by his receivers a bit in FCS, not sure what that has to do with an NFL team that sucks this year.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You don’t remember that 2017 game, do you?

He came out down at halftime and threw for almost 400 yards in the second half on screen passes that we inexplicably could not defend.

He was decent, and with the benefit of hindsight, yeah I’d take him this year, but we didn’t miss out on him as much as we missed out on having 3 NFL receivers like EWU did when he was playing.

So, it is all about the receivers who make the QB throw accurate passes? I guess the Arizona Cardinals didn't get that message, with DeAndre Hopkins and Hollywood Brown, but no QB who can get them the ball.

Great receivers consistently get open and wide open, and catch the ball well. It's much easier for qb's to find them and get them the ball.

 

[AZGrizFan]

My point is that nobody ELSE thought he was worthy of a scholarship either. The fact that he turned out good obviously wasn’t evident to even the bright minds at some of the other schools in the conference either.

And I never said we didn’t flame on Kupp. But ANY QB that gets to throw to Kupp is automatically made to look all-world and disqualified from further discussion.

Please. I guess the pass just magically appears within Kupp's arm reach. Even Brown could look like an All-American there, huh? Oh, Gabe also had Bourne to magically catch his passes too

:lol: :lol: Once again, not helping your argument here.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Gube graduate transferred after three pretty good seasons, 2016 Big Sky Conference Co-MVP and two-time Walter Payton Award candidate. Followed guys like Mitchell, Nichols & Adams and was pushed by Barriere so there wasn't any pressing reason to stay. Seems a little bit like the Toure situation. Kid betting on himself.

Kupp, Bourne, and insert name here, there were so GD many of them in the past decade, that no matter who was pitching or catching, EWU's passing game was lethal. Minus 2022, won a bunch of football games. Overall, an embarrassment of riches, over a long stretch of time. I'm guessing we can attribute that to solid recruiting and good coaching, over a couple of regimes. Wasn't like the ambiance at Cheney was any kind of draw.

Sneed to Akem, Toure, and JLM were pretty dam good as well. But who are those guys on the current roster? We have the next transfer savior QB, and what else? I think at least one of those guys would have been converted to TE at EWU three seasons ago, assuming he'd been recruited at all.

I definitely think their system sets them up to be explosive in the passing game, but it's a lot easier when you've got better WRs than almost literally every other FCS team out there. I agree with the betting on himself part, and it clearly didn't work out, because he didn't differentiate himself. Without those NFL receivers, he wasn't any better than the guys WAZZU already had. I don't think he would've had nearly the same success had he been a QB at Montana during that time, so I'm not sure I'd say we missed out on him.

As for who we have at WR now, it's a mixed bag of unknowns, for sure. Bergen and Fontes are both pretty good, but not on the Akem/Toure level yet. I've heard good things about Racanelli, but he got hurt. Our guys would have to take huge leaps in order to be on the Akem/Toure/JLM level, let alone the Kupp/Bourne/Webster level, which is why I think we're looking for a dropdown guy that can be a #1 type guy for us.

Oh, good. So, Griz need a drop down QB1 and a drop down WR1.

 

[uofmman1122]

I definitely think their system sets them up to be explosive in the passing game, but it's a lot easier when you've got better WRs than almost literally every other FCS team out there. I agree with the betting on himself part, and it clearly didn't work out, because he didn't differentiate himself. Without those NFL receivers, he wasn't any better than the guys WAZZU already had. I don't think he would've had nearly the same success had he been a QB at Montana during that time, so I'm not sure I'd say we missed out on him.

As for who we have at WR now, it's a mixed bag of unknowns, for sure. Bergen and Fontes are both pretty good, but not on the Akem/Toure level yet. I've heard good things about Racanelli, but he got hurt. Our guys would have to take huge leaps in order to be on the Akem/Toure/JLM level, let alone the Kupp/Bourne/Webster level, which is why I think we're looking for a dropdown guy that can be a #1 type guy for us.

Oh, good. So, Griz need a drop down QB1 and a drop down WR1.

I don't think we need one, but do you feel like we have a true #1 guy on our roster right now? I feel like we haven't since Toure left.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Oh, good. So, Griz need a drop down QB1 and a drop down WR1.

I don't think we need one, but do you feel like we have a true #1 guy on our roster right now? I feel like we haven't since Toure left.

No. Griz certainly didn't have one this past season and I'm not sure if the current staff can develop one. I'm also not sure they care to have one with the current scheme.

 

[uofmman1122]

I don't think we need one, but do you feel like we have a true #1 guy on our roster right now? I feel like we haven't since Toure left.

No. Griz certainly didn't have one this past season and I'm not sure if the current staff can develop one. I'm also not sure they care to have one with the current scheme.

I can guarantee you that if they could get or develop a guy to be their #1, they wouldn't hesitate. And I do think they can develop someone. The staff unlocked Sammy in 2018 and Toure in 2019 after their previous seasons had been mediocre (although Sammy fell off in production once his QB play also fell off). I never really felt like Malik was a true, prototypical WR like they were, it might've even been better if they had used him in the backfield more often. I'm hoping Fontes can have some kind of Ellis Henderson-like breakout after his freshman season.

Getting a really good QB will help everyone, though.