Another Move Up Opinion

[mtgrizrule]

Keep your flipping politics to yourselves. I am sick and tired of - the right is to blame. The left is to blame. News flash *%4 holes - we are all to blame. The country is in the shape it is due to our behavior as a society, so keep your holier than thou party politics in the cellar. This is a sports web site. Try Fox News or CNBC you clowns. Now back to sports!

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[Hammer]

So if UM went FBS, why would there be less Montana recruits? Are you implying Montanans are bad at sports?

Are you so stoned that you don't know the answer to your own question? Think about it for a minute and if you still don't know I'll explain it to you. And No it isn't because Montanans are bad at sports :roll: :lol:

Go ahead and explain why there'd be fewer Montana recruits. I'd love to read your theory.

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

 

[Tokyogriz]

Take them out of Royce Engstroms paycheck.

 

[jcu27]

So if UM went FBS, why would there be less Montana recruits? Are you implying Montanans are bad at sports?

Are you so stoned that you don't know the answer to your own question? Think about it for a minute and if you still don't know I'll explain it to you. And No it isn't because Montanans are bad at sports :roll: :lol:

Go ahead and explain why there'd be fewer Montana recruits. I'd love to read your theory.

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

 

[notAcatfan]

Are you so stoned that you don't know the answer to your own question? Think about it for a minute and if you still don't know I'll explain it to you. And No it isn't because Montanans are bad at sports :roll: :lol:

Go ahead and explain why there'd be fewer Montana recruits. I'd love to read your theory.

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

"The Pride and Tradition of the Montana Grizzlies"... eliminating Montana raised players would eliminate a large piece of the tradition

 

[Copper Griz]

Are you so stoned that you don't know the answer to your own question? Think about it for a minute and if you still don't know I'll explain it to you. And No it isn't because Montanans are bad at sports :roll: :lol:

Go ahead and explain why there'd be fewer Montana recruits. I'd love to read your theory.

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

You ask some reasonable questions here, but let's break it down. Does FBS talent equate to better teams and games? Not in my humble opinion and to prove my point simply watch a San Diego State, Nevada, or UNLV football game. Moving up does not necessarily mean you get better competition and games. I think cupcakes is a slight exaggeration given we are not winning a NC on a consistent basis. The competition level in FCS is obviously good enough. I am a native of Montana and I take great pride in our athletes. I am also a realist and when you have a population of approx. 1 million people - you can only get so many bigger, faster, stronger athletes that could compete at the FBS level. Some will continue to make the team, but many will go to other Montana schools (like MSU, Carroll, etc). Do we like out of state players. Absolutely - just look at the kids who ended up on NFL teams this past month. I think Griz fans welcome the kids from out of state, but many of us realize we have something great going right now. The real question is, "Why would you want to ruin a great thing?". I hear how the FBS is so awesome, but in reality - it is way overrated. Great if you are consistently in the top ten and get a big bowl game. Lower rung FCS teams are no recognition bottom dwellers who can't get a decent bowl game and have no playoff system to prove themselves. Besides, could a Montana compete with Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Florida? The answer is no and I will gladly stay where we are. Seems many of our players are ending up in the NFL and we are already on ESPN. What do we have to gain by moving up? Oh that is right - it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$.

 

[jcu27]

Go ahead and explain why there'd be fewer Montana recruits. I'd love to read your theory.

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

You ask some reasonable questions here, but let's break it down. Does FBS talent equate to better teams and games? Not in my humble opinion and to prove my point simply watch a San Diego State, Nevada, or UNLV football game. Moving up does not necessarily mean you get better competition and games. I think cupcakes is a slight exaggeration given we are not winning a NC on a consistent basis. The competition level in FCS is obviously good enough. I am a native of Montana and I take great pride in our athletes. I am also a realist and when you have a population of approx. 1 million people - you can only get so many bigger, faster, stronger athletes that could compete at the FBS level. Some will continue to make the team, but many will go to other Montana schools (like MSU, Carroll, etc). Do we like out of state players. Absolutely - just look at the kids who ended up on NFL teams this past month. I think Griz fans welcome the kids from out of state, but many of us realize we have something great going right now. The real question is, "Why would you want to ruin a great thing?". I hear how the FBS is so awesome, but in reality - it is way overrated. Great if you are consistently in the top ten and get a big bowl game. Lower rung FCS teams are no recognition bottom dwellers who can't get a decent bowl game and have no playoff system to prove themselves. Besides, could a Montana compete with Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Florida? The answer is no and I will gladly stay where we are. Seems many of our players are ending up in the NFL and we are already on ESPN. What do we have to gain by moving up? Oh that is right - it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$.

What makes you assume that'd we'd be just like the shittier FBS teams? One day maybe we could compete against Bama. But staying in FCS and playing FCS teams isn't going to get us there. As long as UM stays in the Big SIgh, they'll be mediocre at best. Um had 2 players drafted.. I don't really think that's something to be too proud of. If you think competing with some of the worst teams in the country is great, well... I don't even know what to say about that. And so what if Montana has a small population. I would assume that if they went FBS, there'd be a lot more people coming around. It's not like UM just recruits Montana either. They recruit in multiple states. I think UM would do a lot better in the FBS than people give them credit for.

 

[jcu27]

Go ahead and explain why there'd be fewer Montana recruits. I'd love to read your theory.

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

"The Pride and Tradition of the Montana Grizzlies"... eliminating Montana raised players would eliminate a large piece of the tradition

It's not like they would all be gone. And you know those Montana players that go FBS, Um would actually have a chance to get them. It doesn't eliminate anything besides FCS caliber players.

 

[Copper Griz]

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

You ask some reasonable questions here, but let's break it down. Does FBS talent equate to better teams and games? Not in my humble opinion and to prove my point simply watch a San Diego State, Nevada, or UNLV football game. Moving up does not necessarily mean you get better competition and games. I think cupcakes is a slight exaggeration given we are not winning a NC on a consistent basis. The competition level in FCS is obviously good enough. I am a native of Montana and I take great pride in our athletes. I am also a realist and when you have a population of approx. 1 million people - you can only get so many bigger, faster, stronger athletes that could compete at the FBS level. Some will continue to make the team, but many will go to other Montana schools (like MSU, Carroll, etc). Do we like out of state players. Absolutely - just look at the kids who ended up on NFL teams this past month. I think Griz fans welcome the kids from out of state, but many of us realize we have something great going right now. The real question is, "Why would you want to ruin a great thing?". I hear how the FBS is so awesome, but in reality - it is way overrated. Great if you are consistently in the top ten and get a big bowl game. Lower rung FCS teams are no recognition bottom dwellers who can't get a decent bowl game and have no playoff system to prove themselves. Besides, could a Montana compete with Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Florida? The answer is no and I will gladly stay where we are. Seems many of our players are ending up in the NFL and we are already on ESPN. What do we have to gain by moving up? Oh that is right - it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$.

What makes you assume that'd we'd be just like the shittier FBS teams? One day maybe we could compete against Bama. But staying in FCS and playing FCS teams isn't going to get us there. As long as UM stays in the Big SIgh, they'll be mediocre at best. Um had 2 players drafted.. I don't really think that's something to be too proud of. If you think competing with some of the worst teams in the country is great, well... I don't even know what to say about that. And so what if Montana has a small population. I would assume that if they went FBS, there'd be a lot more people coming around. It's not like UM just recruits Montana either. They recruit in multiple states. I think UM would do a lot better in the FBS than people give them credit for.

You live in conjecture land and eat delusional cookies all day. I can't help you!! Maybe we could compete against Bama. Holy $#@(! You lost all credibility. I love Montana football, but I am a realist. Michigan can't compete against Bama, nor can Notre Dame, UCLA, Washington, etc., but we will be able to someday. Put down your crack pipe! Alabama is 60 to 80 degrees in the winter and they have unbelievable facilites, a huge recruiting pool and national coverage - each and every game. Oh - did I mention the beautiful women.

 

[Silvertip]

Go ahead and explain why there'd be fewer Montana recruits. I'd love to read your theory.

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

You ask some reasonable questions here, but let's break it down. Does FBS talent equate to better teams and games? Not in my humble opinion and to prove my point simply watch a San Diego State, Nevada, or UNLV football game. Moving up does not necessarily mean you get better competition and games. I think cupcakes is a slight exaggeration given we are not winning a NC on a consistent basis. The competition level in FCS is obviously good enough. I am a native of Montana and I take great pride in our athletes. I am also a realist and when you have a population of approx. 1 million people - you can only get so many bigger, faster, stronger athletes that could compete at the FBS level. Some will continue to make the team, but many will go to other Montana schools (like MSU, Carroll, etc). Do we like out of state players. Absolutely - just look at the kids who ended up on NFL teams this past month. I think Griz fans welcome the kids from out of state, but many of us realize we have something great going right now. The real question is, "Why would you want to ruin a great thing?". I hear how the FBS is so awesome, but in reality - it is way overrated. Great if you are consistently in the top ten and get a big bowl game. Lower rung FCS teams are no recognition bottom dwellers who can't get a decent bowl game and have no playoff system to prove themselves. Besides, could a Montana compete with Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Florida? The answer is no and I will gladly stay where we are. Seems many of our players are ending up in the NFL and we are already on ESPN. What do we have to gain by moving up? Oh that is right - it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$.

Sorry, Copper, but your over-the-top suggestion that unless you can compete with its elite moving to the FBS doesn't wash. Lots of UM law grads will have very successful careers without ever finding a seat on the US Supreme Court.

 

[Grizzoola]

Keep your flipping politics to yourselves. I am sick and tired of - the right is to blame. The left is to blame. News flash *%4 holes - we are all to blame. The country is in the shape it is due to our behavior as a society, so keep your holier than thou party politics in the cellar. This is a sports web site. Try Fox News or CNBC you clowns. Now back to sports!

Well, Copper, it always seems the Tea/GOP eGrizzers love to get in shots at the Liberals/Dems/Obama whenever they can & I for one won't have it! It doesn't matter to them what the thread is. I do not know of a single case on this board where a Liberal like me, has taken an OT shot at Bush or the Tea/GOP in a thread. Like you, I'd like to see this sh*t stop, but when it pops up, I'll answer. :evil:

I'm going to end this by saying to LA, that Lewis' found that Schwarzenegger wanted to do the right things for CA, but when there WAS something the legislature wanted to do to cut expenses, the VOTERS, the VOTERS, mind you, shot it down. This is why I said EVERY ONE wants government services, but NO ONE wants to pay for them. Don't give me that Liberal/Obama sh*t. The private sector is just as bad. End of rant, end of politics, & back to football. Sorry, Copper.

 

[Copper Griz]

Ok I'll give it a try, not sure if you will "get" it being the pothead you are but here goes.

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

You ask some reasonable questions here, but let's break it down. Does FBS talent equate to better teams and games? Not in my humble opinion and to prove my point simply watch a San Diego State, Nevada, or UNLV football game. Moving up does not necessarily mean you get better competition and games. I think cupcakes is a slight exaggeration given we are not winning a NC on a consistent basis. The competition level in FCS is obviously good enough. I am a native of Montana and I take great pride in our athletes. I am also a realist and when you have a population of approx. 1 million people - you can only get so many bigger, faster, stronger athletes that could compete at the FBS level. Some will continue to make the team, but many will go to other Montana schools (like MSU, Carroll, etc). Do we like out of state players. Absolutely - just look at the kids who ended up on NFL teams this past month. I think Griz fans welcome the kids from out of state, but many of us realize we have something great going right now. The real question is, "Why would you want to ruin a great thing?". I hear how the FBS is so awesome, but in reality - it is way overrated. Great if you are consistently in the top ten and get a big bowl game. Lower rung FCS teams are no recognition bottom dwellers who can't get a decent bowl game and have no playoff system to prove themselves. Besides, could a Montana compete with Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Florida? The answer is no and I will gladly stay where we are. Seems many of our players are ending up in the NFL and we are already on ESPN. What do we have to gain by moving up? Oh that is right - it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$.

Sorry, Copper, but your over-the-top suggestion that unless you can compete with its elite moving to the FBS doesn't wash. Lots of UM law grads will have very successful careers without ever finding a seat on the US Supreme Court.

I agree many Montana grads will have successful careers, even though they are not achieving the top spot in a corporation or the government. I think you are comparing an apple to an orange though. I do not know many careers (if any, other than sports and politicians - see multiple posts pertaining to both on this site :mrgreen: ) that illicit such great passion from so many people as compared to football. Moving up means mediocrity. Everyone uses Boise State as an example of success. I prefer to look at the stats and the multitude of other teams who have never achieved a modicum of success at the FCS level. Many of those schools had the right conditions for success and it still did not happen. Idaho would likely be more of a real comparison. (although I believe the Griz and Missoula would fair much better). I respect others passion for moving up, but I will just agree to disagree at this juncture in time. I am also open to swallowing my pride and saying - "Damn, I was wrong" if we do move up and knock the heck out of other FBS teams. Go Griz.

 

[jcu27]

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

You ask some reasonable questions here, but let's break it down. Does FBS talent equate to better teams and games? Not in my humble opinion and to prove my point simply watch a San Diego State, Nevada, or UNLV football game. Moving up does not necessarily mean you get better competition and games. I think cupcakes is a slight exaggeration given we are not winning a NC on a consistent basis. The competition level in FCS is obviously good enough. I am a native of Montana and I take great pride in our athletes. I am also a realist and when you have a population of approx. 1 million people - you can only get so many bigger, faster, stronger athletes that could compete at the FBS level. Some will continue to make the team, but many will go to other Montana schools (like MSU, Carroll, etc). Do we like out of state players. Absolutely - just look at the kids who ended up on NFL teams this past month. I think Griz fans welcome the kids from out of state, but many of us realize we have something great going right now. The real question is, "Why would you want to ruin a great thing?". I hear how the FBS is so awesome, but in reality - it is way overrated. Great if you are consistently in the top ten and get a big bowl game. Lower rung FCS teams are no recognition bottom dwellers who can't get a decent bowl game and have no playoff system to prove themselves. Besides, could a Montana compete with Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Florida? The answer is no and I will gladly stay where we are. Seems many of our players are ending up in the NFL and we are already on ESPN. What do we have to gain by moving up? Oh that is right - it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$.

What makes you assume that'd we'd be just like the shittier FBS teams? One day maybe we could compete against Bama. But staying in FCS and playing FCS teams isn't going to get us there. As long as UM stays in the Big SIgh, they'll be mediocre at best. Um had 2 players drafted.. I don't really think that's something to be too proud of. If you think competing with some of the worst teams in the country is great, well... I don't even know what to say about that. And so what if Montana has a small population. I would assume that if they went FBS, there'd be a lot more people coming around. It's not like UM just recruits Montana either. They recruit in multiple states. I think UM would do a lot better in the FBS than people give them credit for.

You live in conjecture land and eat delusional cookies all day. I can't help you!! Maybe we could compete against Bama. Holy $#@(! You lost all credibility. I love Montana football, but I am a realist. Michigan can't compete against Bama, nor can Notre Dame, UCLA, Washington, etc., but we will be able to someday. Put down your crack pipe! Alabama is 60 to 80 degrees in the winter and they have unbelievable facilites, a huge recruiting pool and national coverage - each and every game. Oh - did I mention the beautiful women.

It's not like it would happen right away. They would have to build up. And I said maybe. You never know... Plus Alabama is 30-50 degrees in the winter. You lost all credibility. Do you think if Alabama was FCS they'd have unbelievable facilities, a huge recruiting pool and national coverage? No they wouldn't.

 

[jcu27]

Ok, even if that was the case. Wouldn't you rather have FBS talent? Wouldn't you want your favorite team to compete against better ones? Or just keep playing cupcakes? Just because you think there isn't enough FBS caliber players in Montana.. Since when does a school recruit people based on just where they are from? That'd be pretty selfish right there. Is a team only good to you if its filled with Montana players? You have quite the obsession with people being from Montana... If they are good they'll make it. If they aren't.. Do they really deserve to be on the team?

You ask some reasonable questions here, but let's break it down. Does FBS talent equate to better teams and games? Not in my humble opinion and to prove my point simply watch a San Diego State, Nevada, or UNLV football game. Moving up does not necessarily mean you get better competition and games. I think cupcakes is a slight exaggeration given we are not winning a NC on a consistent basis. The competition level in FCS is obviously good enough. I am a native of Montana and I take great pride in our athletes. I am also a realist and when you have a population of approx. 1 million people - you can only get so many bigger, faster, stronger athletes that could compete at the FBS level. Some will continue to make the team, but many will go to other Montana schools (like MSU, Carroll, etc). Do we like out of state players. Absolutely - just look at the kids who ended up on NFL teams this past month. I think Griz fans welcome the kids from out of state, but many of us realize we have something great going right now. The real question is, "Why would you want to ruin a great thing?". I hear how the FBS is so awesome, but in reality - it is way overrated. Great if you are consistently in the top ten and get a big bowl game. Lower rung FCS teams are no recognition bottom dwellers who can't get a decent bowl game and have no playoff system to prove themselves. Besides, could a Montana compete with Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Florida? The answer is no and I will gladly stay where we are. Seems many of our players are ending up in the NFL and we are already on ESPN. What do we have to gain by moving up? Oh that is right - it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$.

Sorry, Copper, but your over-the-top suggestion that unless you can compete with its elite moving to the FBS doesn't wash. Lots of UM law grads will have very successful careers without ever finding a seat on the US Supreme Court.

I agree many Montana grads will have successful careers, even though they are not achieving the top spot in a corporation or the government. I think you are comparing an apple to an orange though. I do not know many careers (if any, other than sports and politicians - see multiple posts pertaining to both on this site :mrgreen: ) that illicit such great passion from so many people as compared to football. Moving up means mediocrity. Everyone uses Boise State as an example of success. I prefer to look at the stats and the multitude of other teams who have never achieved a modicum of success at the FCS level. Many of those schools had the right conditions for success and it still did not happen. Idaho would likely be more of a real comparison. (although I believe the Griz and Missoula would fair much better). I respect others passion for moving up, but I will just agree to disagree at this juncture in time. I am also open to swallowing my pride and saying - "Damn, I was wrong" if we do move up and knock the heck out of other FBS teams. Go Griz.

If moving up is mediocrity, then what is being in the FCS?

 

[Growler1]

Keep your flipping politics to yourselves. I am sick and tired of - the right is to blame. The left is to blame. News flash *%4 holes - we are all to blame. The country is in the shape it is due to our behavior as a society, so keep your holier than thou party politics in the cellar. This is a sports web site. Try Fox News or CNBC you clowns. Now back to sports!

Well, Copper, it always seems the Tea/GOP eGrizzers love to get in shots at the Liberals/Dems/Obama whenever they can & I for one won't have it! It doesn't matter to them what the thread is. I do not know of a single case on this board where a Liberal like me, has taken an OT shot at Bush or the Tea/GOP in a thread. Like you, I'd like to see this sh*t stop, but when it pops up, I'll answer. :evil:

I'm going to end this by saying to LA, that Lewis' found that Schwarzenegger wanted to do the right things for CA, but when there WAS something the legislature wanted to do to cut expenses, the VOTERS, the VOTERS, mind you, shot it down. This is why I said EVERY ONE wants government services, but NO ONE wants to pay for them. Don't give me that Liberal/Obama sh*t. The private sector is just as bad. End of rant, end of politics, & back to football. Sorry, Copper.

You are totally mis-guided, and I am quite sure that you are getting some form of entitlement from the private sector that you vilify as evil-doers.

 

[Grizzoola]

FBS schools are allowed 85 full schollys. FCS give 63. In the State of Montana on any given year there are say maybe 10-15 real legitimate Div I players (or course it varies on a year by year basis). The Griz usually get who they offer in state every year, and the cats always somehow get a few. Suddenly the states div I quality recruits are spoken for. Yet now as a FBS team the Griz suddenly have 22 additional schollys to give out. Where do they come from?

That's a good explanation, Hammer. :thumb:

 

[Grizzoola]

You are totally mis-guided, and I am quite sure that you are getting some form of entitlement from the private sector that you vilify as evil-doers.

With all due respect, Growler: :roll: :roll:

 

[Growler1]

You are totally mis-guided, and I am quite sure that you are getting some form of entitlement from the private sector that you vilify as evil-doers.

With all due respect, Growler: :roll: :roll:

I guess I was correct. I know that I am right, but I am also correct, huh?