Another key cat injured

[IntuitiveGriz]

Keep in mind the cats have beat the Griz in 2010 and 2012 with their number 1 qb playing against what should be considered the Griz backup qb's. We all saw the result when it was JJ against DM, 36-10 Griz.


I am glad this recent injury was not career ending.

I always love this argument, what a bunch of bs, 20 other players on the field at the same time, give me a freakin break. Then comes "if JJ was behind the Cat's line or the other way around it would be totally opposite" :roll:
So the Cat's D made some major mistakes that game, did that help JJ or did he cause those mistakes. Some will say both, anyway, whatever, not on the field at the same time and just a stupid argument.

So, if you take LBJ out of those games it would not matter to the cats?? Thats the bunch of BS. The fact is the cats squeaked by in both of those games and the Griz were playing their backups. Trust me, if JJ had played in the brawl last year, that game would have been a rout.[/quot

IF this happend or that happend is really lame Hammer. You can give all the IFs you want. Scores are usually close in rivalry games likes this. I remember back in the 90's the Cats only won one game and the griz were on top of the conference and the game went to the last play of the game. Last year the Cat's won. If JJ had played there is no saying what would have happened. If remember right the Cats were missing some players too. Kirk was not 100% and Minter was injured and wasn't a shadow of himself.

Nice selective amnesia there, bigsky33. The Griz NFL runningback was also out.

 

[bigsky33]

It was a sprain and the diagnosis was he would be out 4-6 weeks. Should be back for the first BSC game 9/28. He is walking on it with a brace pretty good as of today. No crutches.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

You guys are great at one thing on this board and that is trashing anyone that may point out a flaw in the Griz program. Your really in denial if you think losing four schollies will not hurt your depth. Go down your roster and see how man you quality players you lose after this season. Ask Delaney about the loss of scholarships and I am sure he will tell you it has a big effect. And to think that recruits don't look at how long they think the Coach may be around your being totally naive. Would you want to go into a program where there probably is going to be a new coach within a couple of years that may bring in a completely different system and new position coaches? How do you attract good assistant coaches if need be with this situation? You guys have blinders on and are way to sesnsitive.

I agree, this thread is nauseating. Let the games be played and then we will see who knows about football. All this talk means nothing. The proof will be at the end of the season when the results are in.

bigsky33 is BUSTED!!! You're the BAFOON that doesn't "know about football". Mick Delaney said in the press that "Losing four schollies will not hurt the Griz at all". Look it up ball boy.

 

[Hammer]

I always love this argument, what a bunch of bs, 20 other players on the field at the same time, give me a freakin break. Then comes "if JJ was behind the Cat's line or the other way around it would be totally opposite" :roll:
So the Cat's D made some major mistakes that game, did that help JJ or did he cause those mistakes. Some will say both, anyway, whatever, not on the field at the same time and just a stupid argument.

So, if you take LBJ out of those games it would not matter to the cats?? Thats the bunch of BS. The fact is the cats squeaked by in both of those games and the Griz were playing their backups. Trust me, if JJ had played in the brawl last year, that game would have been a rout.[/quot

IF this happend or that happend is really lame Hammer. You can give all the IFs you want. Scores are usually close in rivalry games likes this. I remember back in the 90's the Cats only won one game and the griz were on top of the conference and the game went to the last play of the game. Last year the Cat's won. If JJ had played there is no saying what would have happened. If remember right the Cats were missing some players too. Kirk was not 100% and Minter was injured and wasn't a shadow of himself.

Nice selective amnesia there, bigsky33. The Griz NFL runningback was also out.

And in 2010 our other NFL running back was a shadow of himself. Both shoulders so tore up his teamates had to put his shoulder pads on because he couldn't lift either arm. Still, he somehow still put up about 180 on the kitties. Yes he gets a free pass on the fumble inside the 5 since his hands and arms were numb. A heathy Chase may have put up 300 on them that day.

 

[bigsky33]

I think you guys have beat this thread to death. Delaney of course would say that to put a positive spin. The proof will be in the future when the games are played. I would think you guys would be concentrating on App St. next week. Good luck!

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Player Rep. I did play football. Anyway, you present some good points but I think your being overly optimistic. There is nothing wrong with that. I know I am overly optimistic too. It's a natural part of being a fan, Delaney is a nice guy and I am sure the kids like him. He is only on a two year contract though and he did already retire one time. Ash is also a very good recruiter and has had great results since being at MSU in that area. He and his wife like Bozeman and he will probably finish his career here. He has never been the type of coach to jump around. I do feel that recruits look for a head coach that is going to be there. The kids know that coach wanted them. You get a new coach and a lot of times they look for different things in player and you no longer fit. The kids do become more attached to their position coaches but when a new head coach comes in a lot of times they will bring in new assistants. So there is an impact. Yes there are many other reasons why recruits choose programs like the tradition,atmospere,success, facilities and sometimes it's the academic side. When MSU lost schollies it did hurt our depth and it took a while before Ash could build it up again. I would say it's just been the last couple of years where we have had adequate quality depth. You like to redshirt as many freshman as you can but he didn't have that luxury. Yes we survived but it has been a long road. Where it really hurts I think is having the partials avaialbe for the Montana kids.

Anyway, I am not saying you're wrong. Your points are well taken. Certainly having a good season will help!

I know, you were an OL at Utah when the telegraph was popular, Ted Dawson (current Bozeman CBS sports director).

 

[nzone]

This thread would have died along time ago if 33 wouldn't keep harpin about this that and the other. I really think Montana is gonna give the cats a good old fashion whooping. So big sky stick that in your pipe and smoke it. We have been more than accommodating to Gale's injury and have nothing but respect but you seem to feel it necessary to talk isht. Go take out all your old football memorabilia and remember the we were. Oh right you have depth. Sorry didn't mean to rain on your depth parade. Good grief what a nerd!

 

[grizcountry420]

:lol:

 

[Ursa Major]

It was a sprain and the diagnosis was he would be out 4-6 weeks. Should be back for the first BSC game 9/28. He is walking on it with a brace pretty good as of today. No crutches.

Yeah, but you don't even really need him with the depth of your defense!

Edit: Nzone beat me to it...

 

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bobbiebobkat33 knows depth! :thumb:

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You guys are great at one thing on this board and that is trashing anyone that may point out a flaw in the Griz program. Your really in denial if you think losing four schollies will not hurt your depth. Go down your roster and see how man you quality players you lose after this season. Ask Delaney about the loss of scholarships and I am sure he will tell you it has a big effect. And to think that recruits don't look at how long they think the Coach may be around your being totally naive. Would you want to go into a program where there probably is going to be a new coach within a couple of years that may bring in a completely different system and new position coaches? How do you attract good assistant coaches if need be with this situation? You guys have blinders on and are way to sesnsitive.

I agree, this thread is nauseating. Let the games be played and then we will see who knows about football. All this talk means nothing. The proof will be at the end of the season when the results are in.

Or, looked at another way, you guys try to blow everything out of proportion and make up, to try to show the UM will be bad and MSU will be good. For example, UM is not losing schollies for 4 years. Just 3. Delaney is not way into his 70's. Delaney is not the interim coach. He is the regular head coach.

Most UM fans probably agree that the loss of schollies will have some impact, and Delaney's age can be used as a factor by some competitors. In my view, the age factor is less than the fact that Delaney has a nice friendly personality and kids like him, and Ash, while a nice guy, is boring and uninspiring. This Ash information comes from former Cat players who played for him, by the way.

In recruiting, a few players may care about the coach's age and the system used, but most don't. Have you ever heard of a player choosing MSU or UM because of the defense. For that matter, who chose one of those schools because of the offense. I assume there have been some, but none come to mind.

Recruits are influenced more by the success of the program (i.e. championships and playoffs), game day atmosphere (the stadium and the crowd), how they feel about the coaches whom they've met, how they liked the other players and recruits, etc.

Some other points. The loss of schollies are a negative and will have some impact, but MSU and many other schools have survived loss of schollies just fine. Delaney is 70; Ash is 62. There's no assurance that Ash will be around long term. Moore, the former App St coach was in his mid-60's when he left. Did Moore's age prevent App St from recruiting well, because recruits were concerned he would no longer be the coach and the system would change? MSU has had a very good qb since he was a frosh. Has MSU been unable to recruit good qb's because they have a good young qb who would likely start for 4 years? It may have influenced some kids, but MSU seems to have survived just fine.

If UM has a nice season, and I believe they will, this will show that UM is back--and recruits will be attracted to UM's success.

Once again, it looks like some of you Cats never played the game, and certainly were never recruited for college football, and for those and other reasons, you don't understand how recruiting works and what attracts recruits to programs.

:clap: :clap: :thumb:

I can also tell you what most 18yr olds do rate highly on their lists of potential programs they want to play for. STADIUM ATMOSPHERE( WAGRIZ is awesome, Cats-mediocre at best) SPONSORSHIPS ( Hmmm would I rather wear sick NIKE gear or that cheap high school UnderArmour crap?) and PLAYING ON ESPN ( I've seen the Griz on there quite a few times in the last 8 yrs, Cats maybe twice?)

Not saying thats what every potential recruit looks at but it sure does go a looooooooong ways in the eyes of an 18yr old. Now bigsky33 continue to tell us how the Griz will fall from the top of the FCS programs mountain for all of eternity. PLEEEEEZE :lol:

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Man, I hope it isn't serious.

Pretty sure it is, he let out one hell of a scream and had to be carried off the field, such a shame.

I am watching the play right now on my DVR. The play wasn't in the trenches as one might expect where legs often get tangled, it was actually out in space on the numbers. Gale was giving chase down the line of scrimmage on a WR, while being engaged/blocked high by a guy with a number that starts with a 1. (A total guess here but it could have been Roderick, I thought he was #11, but that's just a total guess, don't qoute me on that) Gale made it out there to where the CB was being blocked as well. Although the four players were very close (2 defenders and 2 blockers) Gale didn't appear to step on them. He did go down fast though, actually got pancaked on the play. The only thing I can think of is he got hurt while being engaged and planting his leg in the turf. It wasn't real obvious to me when he actually got hurt though. It was pretty obvious that the injury was the reason he got pancaked though, otherwise I'm sure he would have kept his feet on the play.

Although there is no audio on the video, you could tell me must have screamed because all of the players on the ground imediately looked at Gale. He was laying and holding is right knee.

It may still be a bad injury, but I don't know how bad because he actually walked off the field mostly under his own power, but with an arm over the shoulder of a trainer on each side of him. He was weight bearing and walking however. The m cat players looked concerned/disheartened.

Saw the video one more time, however this time the news station did it's job and kept the film rolling a little longer on air. I saw the same thing, from the same angle...however this time the film kept rolling and showed where Gale actually got injured.

After Gale got pancaked/steamrolled to the ground by #17, and the momentum rolled #17 off Gale who also rolled over when on the ground, the ball carrier #4 (J. Ellis) was tackled from behind onto the right leg of Gale. That is when the knee sprain (not ligament tear) occurred.

He walked off the field using both legs, with his arms around a trainer on each side of him.

 

[bigsky33]

Man, I hope it isn't serious.

Pretty sure it is, he let out one hell of a scream and had to be carried off the field, such a shame.

I am watching the play right now on my DVR. The play wasn't in the trenches as one might expect where legs often get tangled, it was actually out in space on the numbers. Gale was giving chase down the line of scrimmage on a WR, while being engaged/blocked high by a guy with a number that starts with a 1. (A total guess here but it could have been Roderick, I thought he was #11, but that's just a total guess, don't qoute me on that) Gale made it out there to where the CB was being blocked as well. Although the four players were very close (2 defenders and 2 blockers) Gale didn't appear to step on them. He did go down fast though, actually got pancaked on the play. The only thing I can think of is he got hurt while being engaged and planting his leg in the turf. It wasn't real obvious to me when he actually got hurt though. It was pretty obvious that the injury was the reason he got pancaked though, otherwise I'm sure he would have kept his feet on the play.

Although there is no audio on the video, you could tell me must have screamed because all of the players on the ground imediately looked at Gale. He was laying and holding is right knee.

It may still be a bad injury, but I don't know how bad because he actually walked off the field mostly under his own power, but with an arm over the shoulder of a trainer on each side of him. He was weight bearing and walking however. The m cat players looked concerned/disheartened.

Saw the video one more time, however this time the news station did it's job and kept the film rolling a little longer on air. I saw the same thing, from the same angle...however this time the film kept rolling and showed where Gale actually got injured.

After Gale got pancaked/steamrolled to the ground by #17, and the momentum rolled #17 off Gale who also rolled over when on the ground, the ball carrier #4 (J. Ellis) was tackled from behind onto the right leg of Gale. That is when the knee sprain (not ligament tear) occurred.

He walked off the field using both legs, with his arms around a trainer on each side of him.

Intuitivegriz you continue to amaze as to what an imbecile you are. Did you see the actual meidcal report? The final diagnosis was a sprain and the doctor said he will be out 4-6 weeks. I have seen him at practice and he has a brace and is walking without crutches and seems to be doing fine.

 

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Intuitivegriz you continue to amaze me, even if I am an imbecile . Did you see the actual meidcal report? The final diagnosis was a I have a sprain in my brain and the doctor said I'll always be out.

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