All but one conference profitable after CFP playoff

[Spanky]

UND.......your source for this information?

 

[NorthwestFresh]

UM adminstration know that MWC membership isn't in the cards for financial, media, and political issues. The MWC will take Texas schools well before any Big Sky ones.

Oh come on now! FBS conferences are tripping over themselves to share TV and bowl money with the NW Montana market! Sure, there may not be much purchasing power within 500 miles any direction of Missoula, but imagine how TV ratings will skyrocket by adding Montana to the TV schedule. They won a couple of FCS titles a few decades ago. With that kind of tradition, I'm guessing Pac-12 is more likely than MWC. :lol:

 

[Spanky]

......and the NAIA conferences that state college was a member?

 

[AZGrizFan]

You don't read very well do you? Then again, you're a bobscat so that explains it all.

Huh? I wrote this:

so, you can get direct flights to Boise from many more cities than you can into MSO.

Which you somehow interpreted as this:

AZGrizFan wrote:
"There's no direct flights into Missoula!" Gets proven wrong.

Yet I'm the one who can't read? No wonder enrollment is dropping at the theater and dance school.

Yeah, that wasn't what I was talking about dipshit.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

......and the NAIA conferences that state college was a member?

Montana State fans aren't the delusional ones thinking that the MWC would do anything other than laugh at them for an invite as the 13th/14th team.

UM is just another FCS also-ran at this point. Just like MSU is an FCS also-ran. I think it would be fun watching UM go 3-9 each year in FBS as a Bobcat, but the Montanan of me would be sad to see a storied FCS program become a paycheck game for real FBS programs.

 

[mtgrizrule]

......and the NAIA conferences that state college was a member?

Montana State fans aren't the delusional ones thinking that the MWC would do anything other than laugh at them for an invite as the 13th/14th team.

UM is just another FCS also-ran at this point. Just like MSU is an FCS also-ran. I think it would be fun watching UM go 3-9 each year in FBS as a Bobcat, but the Montanan of me would be sad to see a storied FCS program become a paycheck game for real FBS programs.

I think what is lost in all this, regardless of which FCS teams we are talking about, the FCS as we know it, is dying a slow death. FCS schools have to be prepared to explore other options. Fortunately for the GRIZ, the preparation is under way. I'd suggest MSU and every FCS program make the efforts to prepare themselves as well. It is just a matter of time before many FCS programs will be forced to make some very hard decisions.

If not prepared, some will lose their football programs, or be playing even lesser competition. I am sick and tired of the back and forth bantering in this thread, and some bashing from both sides of this debate. I feel both sides of this debate should take the time to understand the importance of FCS programs being prepared for some major changes, when that time comes.

Anyone believing the current FCS model is safe and secure long term, is a little delusional. That is not me saying making a major jump to the BCS is the right answer either. As a GRIZ fan, I am relieved the GRIZ are doing everything they can to prepare for whatever changes will eventually work their way to the FCS. :thumb:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I think what is lost in all this, regardless of which FCS teams we are talking about, the FCS as we know it, is dying a slow death. FCS schools have to be prepared to explore other options. Fortunately for the GRIZ, the preparation is under way. I'd suggest MSU and every FCS program make the efforts to prepare themselves as well. It is just a matter of time before many FCS programs will be forced to make some very hard decisions.

If not prepared, some will lose their football programs, or be playing even lesser competition. I am sick and tired of the back and forth bantering in this thread, and some bashing from both sides of this debate. I feel both sides of this debate should take the time to understand the importance of FCS programs being prepared for some major changes, when that time comes.

Anyone believing the current FCS model is safe and secure long term, is a little delusional. That is not me saying making a major jump to the BCS is the right answer either. As a GRIZ fan, I am relieved the GRIZ are doing everything they can to prepare for whatever changes will eventually work their way to the FCS. :thumb:

You can denigrate MSU all you want, but the reality is that the UM and MSU programs are tied at the hip, and neither will be making a move without the other. UM isn't "doing everything" other than have the same fans post the same things about moving up they have posted for the 10 years I've been on this board. The MWC has no need for UM, let alone UM and MSU. There is now way that the Fresnos, San Diegos, and San Joses of the MWC want to split TV money, let alone CFB money, with much smaller schools located in the middle of nowhere. The UND fan brings up the most likely scenario, and it includes Big Sky schools along with UM.

I'm sorry if me being realistic is such an insult to some here, but I've yet to see anyone legitimately give me one reason why the MWC would want to invite UM into their league, other than "We Can Do It!"

 

[PlayerRep]

I think what is lost in all this, regardless of which FCS teams we are talking about, the FCS as we know it, is dying a slow death. FCS schools have to be prepared to explore other options. Fortunately for the GRIZ, the preparation is under way. I'd suggest MSU and every FCS program make the efforts to prepare themselves as well. It is just a matter of time before many FCS programs will be forced to make some very hard decisions.

If not prepared, some will lose their football programs, or be playing even lesser competition. I am sick and tired of the back and forth bantering in this thread, and some bashing from both sides of this debate. I feel both sides of this debate should take the time to understand the importance of FCS programs being prepared for some major changes, when that time comes.

Anyone believing the current FCS model is safe and secure long term, is a little delusional. That is not me saying making a major jump to the BCS is the right answer either. As a GRIZ fan, I am relieved the GRIZ are doing everything they can to prepare for whatever changes will eventually work their way to the FCS. :thumb:

You can denigrate MSU all you want, but the reality is that the UM and MSU programs are tied at the hip, and neither will be making a move without the other. UM isn't "doing everything" other than have the same fans post the same things about moving up they have posted for the 10 years I've been on this board. The MWC has no need for UM, let alone UM and MSU. There is now way that the Fresnos, San Diegos, and San Joses of the MWC want to split TV money, let alone CFB money, with much smaller schools located in the middle of nowhere. The UND fan brings up the most likely scenario, and it includes Big Sky schools along with UM.

I'm sorry if me being realistic is such an insult to some here, but I've yet to see anyone legitimately give me one reason why the MWC would want to invite UM into their league, other than "We Can Do It!"

It's too bad you didn't start with a post like that, instead of being a troll and a jerk and losing all credibility. I'm still holding out for a PAC-12 offer.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I think what is lost in all this, regardless of which FCS teams we are talking about, the FCS as we know it, is dying a slow death. FCS schools have to be prepared to explore other options. Fortunately for the GRIZ, the preparation is under way. I'd suggest MSU and every FCS program make the efforts to prepare themselves as well. It is just a matter of time before many FCS programs will be forced to make some very hard decisions.

If not prepared, some will lose their football programs, or be playing even lesser competition. I am sick and tired of the back and forth bantering in this thread, and some bashing from both sides of this debate. I feel both sides of this debate should take the time to understand the importance of FCS programs being prepared for some major changes, when that time comes.

Anyone believing the current FCS model is safe and secure long term, is a little delusional. That is not me saying making a major jump to the BCS is the right answer either. As a GRIZ fan, I am relieved the GRIZ are doing everything they can to prepare for whatever changes will eventually work their way to the FCS. :thumb:

You can denigrate MSU all you want, but the reality is that the UM and MSU programs are tied at the hip, and neither will be making a move without the other. UM isn't "doing everything" other than have the same fans post the same things about moving up they have posted for the 10 years I've been on this board. The MWC has no need for UM, let alone UM and MSU. There is now way that the Fresnos, San Diegos, and San Joses of the MWC want to split TV money, let alone CFB money, with much smaller schools located in the middle of nowhere. The UND fan brings up the most likely scenario, and it includes Big Sky schools along with UM.

I'm sorry if me being realistic is such an insult to some here, but I've yet to see anyone legitimately give me one reason why the MWC would want to invite UM into their league, other than "We Can Do It!"

For the record, I am not denigrating MSU, or any BSC school. Also I am not implying the MWC is an option, only time will dictate what options are available. There will be more changes in DIV 1 football. If those changes were not coming, there would be very little reason for Montana or any FCS school to improve facilities very extensively.

If the MWC is never an option, I am fine with that. What I am not fine with would be the U of M, and/or conference officials not preparing to better the U of M and/or the conference. If Fullerton and the powers to be can join forces with the likes of NDSU, etc to move up, more power to them.

Either way, I just want the GRIZ to be prepared to make the best decision that will allow for the GRIZ to continue moving forward. I feel that is exactly what the U of M is doing. Only time will give us the result of the efforts in the ever changing world of div 1 athletics. With that said NWF, I am not and have not been posting to argue with you. I feel both sides of this debate are jumping a little too far ahead, in not knowing for sure what future changes are ahead in DIV 1 athletics, especially football. The landscape will change, one way or the other. How that impacts the Montana's of the world and rest of the FCS is yet to be determined. :thumb:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

For the record, I am not denigrating MSU, or any BSC school. Also I am not implying the MWC is an option, only time will dictate what options are available. There will be more changes in DIV 1 football. If those changes were not coming, there would be very little reason for Montana or any FCS school to improve facilities very extensively.

If the MWC is never an option, I am fine with that. What I am not fine with would be the U of M, and/or conference officials not preparing to better the U of M and/or the conference. If Fullerton and the powers to be can join forces with the likes of NDSU, etc to move up, more power to them.

Either way, I just want the GRIZ to be prepared to make the best decision that will allow for the GRIZ to continue moving forward. I feel that is exactly what the U of M is doing. Only time will give us the result of the efforts in the ever changing world of div 1 athletics. With that said NWF, I am not and have not been posting to argue with you. I feel both sides of this debate are jumping a little too far ahead, in not knowing for sure what future changes are ahead in DIV 1 athletics, especially football. The landscape will change, one way or the other. How that impacts the Montana's of the world and rest of the FCS is yet to be determined. :thumb:

That's a completely reasonable, along with realistic, post about moving up to FBS. My thought is we're more likely to see a "move-down" by the non P5 conferences, who will pick and choose solid FCS programs that can "move-up" and start a lesser division. Some may call that moving up, but to me, it's just most of the FCS/1-AA schools who joined FBS/1-A moving back down to schools that they were with 20-40 years ago.

ToMAYtoe/ToMAHtoe, in other words. What isn't going to happen is UM moving to a situation where they can ever get to a traditional major bowl game, let alone the CFB.

Thank you for your thoughts, and I hope that other Griz fans can see where I was coming from in my posts on this subject.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

It's too bad you didn't start with a post like that, instead of being a troll and a jerk and losing all credibility. I'm still holding out for a PAC-12 offer.

Any discussion that has more than one side here, and is based in reality, that involves EverettGriz or AZGrizfan is bound to quickly turn into a bunch of insults. My first posts in this thread weren't that bad, and I twice showed AZGrizfan to be completely ignorant as to what I posted regarding direct flights to/from MSO, as well as how "big-time" programs are now offering 4-year scholarships.

Blame those two, plus whatever "spanky" is, for the sh**show that mucked up the middle of this thread. They aren't at all interested in a complex discussion. I am, and I feel the points I've made are valid and worthy of consideration.

 

[UNDfan]

UND.......your source for this information?

Fullerton himself in newspaper articles. The Big Sky has divided itself among school that want to be FBS and those who can't afford it. Why are EWU, Davis, and Cal Poly fundraising for FBS stadiums? Why has Fullerton stated to reporters that he wants all Dakota schools in the BSC? Isn't the Big Sky to big already to add more?

Idaho and maybe even NMSU won't have an FBS league in 2018. The Sunbelt has an option to kick them out after this season, but the still be members through 2017.

This is what an FBS Big Sky will look like come 2018:

Pacific Division
Sac St - will likely have a new MLS stadium by then
UCDavis - expanded stadium
Cal Poly - expanded stadium
Portland St ? - have MLS but maybe not football
EWU - Gateway Project
Idaho
NMSU maybe if they don't get other offer

Plains Division

Montana
Montana St
UND
NDSU
SDSU
USD

Idaho St, Weber St, S Utah, N Col, and NAU can scamper off to the WAC, forming a true SW conference.

Montana is now in a league with academic and financial peers. Still get access to California and the coasts. Can play home games vs the MWC.

Colin Cowherd, who is one if the leaders of FBS for EWU, says numerous cable networks would want the BSC for programming. CFP is going to at least eight. The Big Sky could be part of the contract in 2025, getting at least $2 mill per team. Boise, Minneapolis, Seattle, and somewhere in California can host BSC bowls.

 

[mtgrizrule]

For the record, I am not denigrating MSU, or any BSC school. Also I am not implying the MWC is an option, only time will dictate what options are available. There will be more changes in DIV 1 football. If those changes were not coming, there would be very little reason for Montana or any FCS school to improve facilities very extensively.

If the MWC is never an option, I am fine with that. What I am not fine with would be the U of M, and/or conference officials not preparing to better the U of M and/or the conference. If Fullerton and the powers to be can join forces with the likes of NDSU, etc to move up, more power to them.

Either way, I just want the GRIZ to be prepared to make the best decision that will allow for the GRIZ to continue moving forward. I feel that is exactly what the U of M is doing. Only time will give us the result of the efforts in the ever changing world of div 1 athletics. With that said NWF, I am not and have not been posting to argue with you. I feel both sides of this debate are jumping a little too far ahead, in not knowing for sure what future changes are ahead in DIV 1 athletics, especially football. The landscape will change, one way or the other. How that impacts the Montana's of the world and rest of the FCS is yet to be determined. :thumb:

That's a completely reasonable, along with realistic, post about moving up to FBS. My thought is we're more likely to see a "move-down" by the non P5 conferences, who will pick and choose solid FCS programs that can "move-up" and start a lesser division. Some may call that moving up, but to me, it's just most of the FCS/1-AA schools who joined FBS/1-A moving back down to schools that they were with 20-40 years ago.

ToMAYtoe/ToMAHtoe, in other words. What isn't going to happen is UM moving to a situation where they can ever get to a traditional major bowl game, let alone the CFB.

Thank you for your thoughts, and I hope that other Griz fans can see where I was coming from in my posts on this subject.

Too bad we did not get to that kind of understanding earlier. :thumb:
Myself and a few others, over the last several years have posted the BCS schools who are not in the Power 5, and the upper portion of FCS programs could eventually join forces. I honestly feel that is the most most likely scenario.

I see them combining the best aspects of each division with some compromises.
(1) 16 to 24 team playoff format (best of FCS)
(2) Current BCS scholarship allocations, with time for FCS teams to meet the scholarship commitment (best of BCS)
(3) Lowering league memberships, and more joint expenses for 5 to 10 years to make this a feasible an realistic change to be possible.
(4) Cost of attendance stipend for athletes for each school.
(5) Working together to find broadcast contracts (tv, internet, radio). My guess here. ESPN will pretty much own the BCS rights, or maybe let each conference continue bidding their own contracts, with a little more power to the schools themselves. I feel with Fox, NBC, CBS and Root having their own sports networks, there will be some viable options out there.
(6) Have each participating school commit to very high standards and expectations in committing to program and conference improvement. Those who do not get up to par in these requirements are subject to being let go or replaced by new schools. The current attitude the Big Sky conference has would not work.
(7) Each member school committing no less than 10 years to the alignment, with no way out to move up to the higher conference.
(8) Work with the professional leagues for some sort of financial sponsorships, including coaching development bonuses ( I have no idea what the parameters would be for something like this).

This is just a starting list. I am sure others can provide more ideas. I feel this kind of move/shift will occur upon the BCS Power conferences deciding to officially separate to form their own level. I'd like to see the member schools of the new alignment agree to the new format in all sports, not just football.

There are plenty of schools who cannot compete financially with the big boys. I see no reason for the lesser schools to work with the big boys, unless the big boys can make it financially and competitively feasible. What are the chances of the big boys doing that? Pretty slim to none.

I am looking forward to some proactive suggestions, ideas, thoughts etc and get away from the arguing and bashing. :thumb:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Too bad we did not get to that kind of understanding earlier. :thumb:
Myself and a few others, over the last several years have posted the BCS schools who are not in the Power 5, and the upper portion of FCS programs could eventually join forces. I honestly feel that is the most most likely scenario.

I see them combining the best aspects of each division with some compromises.
(1) 16 to 24 team playoff format (best of FCS)
(2) Current BCS scholarship allocations, with time for FCS teams to meet the scholarship commitment (best of BCS)
(3) Lowering league memberships, and more joint expenses for 5 to 10 years to make this a feasible an realistic change to be possible.
(4) Cost of attendance stipend for athletes for each school.
(5) Working together to find broadcast contracts (tv, internet, radio). My guess here. ESPN will pretty much own the BCS rights, or maybe let each conference continue bidding their own contracts, with a little more power to the schools themselves. I feel with Fox, NBC, CBS and Root having their own sports networks, there will be some viable options out there.
(6) Have each participating school commit to very high standards and expectations in committing to program and conference improvement. Those who do not get up to par in these requirements are subject to being let go or replaced by new schools. The current attitude the Big Sky conference has would not work.
(7) Each member school committing no less than 10 years to the alignment, with no way out to move up to the higher conference.
(8) Work with the professional leagues for some sort of financial sponsorships, including coaching development bonuses ( I have no idea what the parameters would be for something like this).

This is just a starting list. I am sure others can provide more ideas. I feel this kind of move/shift will occur upon the BCS Power conferences deciding to officially separate to form their own level. I'd like to see the member schools of the new alignment agree to the new format in all sports, not just football.

There are plenty of schools who cannot compete financially with the big boys. I see no reason for the lesser schools to work with the big boys, unless the big boys can make it financially and competitively feasible. What are the chances of the big boys doing that? Pretty slim to none.

I am looking forward to some proactive suggestions, ideas, thoughts etc and get away from the arguing and bashing. :thumb:

That's the best template that I can think of at this point, in terms of a general framework. I actually think we agree on what the future of "big time" football looks like, and how the secondary programs such as FCS/"Little 5" will end up merging. It's still minor leagues in the grand scheme of things, yet added to the "lower division" are a bunch of school/cities that have a lot of eyeballs and would be more interested in a lesser playoff than we currently have in FCS. :clap:

 

[statler & waldorf]

My God! Reasoned, well thought through presentations and rational discussion. This could be precident setting and infectious. Well done! :thumb:

 

[mtgrizrule]

My God! Reasoned, well thought through presentations and rational discussion. This could be precident setting and infectious. Well done! :thumb:

Even more amazing, you are in agreement too. :lol: :thumb:

 

[statler & waldorf]

Yep! Never too old to learn. Some of us just take longer.

 

[garizzalies]

Montana State fans aren't the delusional ones...

I stopped reading.
Good god man, like 5 posts before this one you were claiming UM and MSU have the same number of titles. You f*ckin cat fans are unbelievable. In this thread alone, you've been "embarrassed" by the knowledge of you rivals, tried to be reasonable after talking tons of trash, claimed to have some mythical other title in addition to one nobody has ever seen footage of, and then claimed we're the delusional ones.
I truly believe these goofy dual-alums are the worst cat Trolls of all. For some reason, when a dually is actually a Griz fan, they try to hide the fact that they went to MooU. But when the tables are turned, they wear it like a badge of honor. Some cat fans don't have a choice; but you must be exceptionally dumb to pick to be the younger brother, not hide that fact, and talk shit on your rival/alum's board. Seek help

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If anyone is looking for NW Fresh (I know, nobody is), I think he's behind the woodshed.

 

[Spanky]

Good to see you are all buddies with Northwest. He neglected to answer my question about the Griz-state college record in football, but that's ok. :thumb: