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AD Finalists Announced
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Manoa IS the primary campus for UH, Dizzle.
So yes, UHM are the Rainbow Warriors.
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So yes, UHM are the Rainbow Warriors.
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I find myself oddly agreeing w/ you, Alfalfa. Instead of "dirtiest thugfest," I'd just say the program became corrupt, and Engstrom is cleaning it up. That's why I'm convinced that if RE's purpose is to end the corruption of the past, he needs to get new blood into the program, starting w/ the AD hire & then w/ the new coach hire. When I say, "all things equal," I mean when each of the candidates is acceptable for the AD position, and Engstrom has his choice, which is his right, that he should hire someone from outside the program. IOW, if Haslam & applicant x are equally acceptable, that RE should go for applicant x.ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
It's this very thing that Haslam has all these contacts & good will from boosters, etc., that has to be a DISadvantage to be selected. That has been the problem w/ the football program, and RE knows it. It's too much good will between ADs and coaches w/ boosters, etc., that corrupted the program. There has to be a clean slate. If not, we're going to be revisiting this corruption later on.
Yes, I hold the big donors/boosters as responsible for corruption of the UM football program as the AD, coach, and their staffs. Probably even Dennison. Dennison retired; it's too bad the donors/boosters can't be fired, as well, but of course UM can't issue position openings for donors/boosters. I'm not disparaging donors/boosters, but they've had too much influence over the football program. I can't cite specific examples, and this is a broad charge; it's just something I suspect that has been as much responsible for the corruption of UM's football program as anything else.
We must also be clear: fans, boosters/donors, students, the media, administration, etc., must realize that it is UM's president, Royce Engstrom, that is the final boss of the football program. The buck stops w/ him. If the case of Penn State doesn't convince you, I don't know what can.
I am corrupt. I do know corruption as I am in it deep. I can feel it, smell it and taste it. I said it. All that is a semi loaded of bull sh!t.
It amuses me to death the stupid charges floating around about the U of M promoting bad and corrupt athletics. These are dumb to the nuts. Charges that weak and sneaky usually come from chicken syndrome plucking radicals. All without a shred of evidence. What? Like who is a rich Griz booster making the athletic department corrupt? Name one. Or ten. In fact name one thing corrupt about the entire department. Further, name one thing, yes one thing Jim O'Day did that was corrupt. And cite the evidence....
Meanwhile my twenty five cents votes for Carl Clapp to be our next AD. Good man. King would be my second choice and Kent Hasslam my third. I have no say in the matter. That is the good thing, otherwise I would be looking at the man from Stanford that pulled his name out the last second. By far the best of the bunch I thought.
To follow up on my anger and outrage read the following:
If you felt that way you should never have been a fan of nor went to any sporting games the Griz were in.
A back biting Griz fan is lower than --------Hell a cat fan is better-------A democrat to boot. :twisted:
It amuses me to death the stupid charges floating around about the U of M promoting bad and corrupt athletics. These are dumb to the nuts. Charges that weak and sneaky usually come from chicken syndrome plucking radicals. All without a shred of evidence. What? Like who is a rich Griz booster making the athletic department corrupt? Name one. Or ten. In fact name one thing corrupt about the entire department. Further, name one thing, yes one thing Jim O'Day did that was corrupt. And cite the evidence....
Meanwhile my twenty five cents votes for Carl Clapp to be our next AD. Good man. King would be my second choice and Kent Hasslam my third. I have no say in the matter. That is the good thing, otherwise I would be looking at the man from Stanford that pulled his name out the last second. By far the best of the bunch I thought.
To follow up on my anger and outrage read the following:
If you felt that way you should never have been a fan of nor went to any sporting games the Griz were in.
A back biting Griz fan is lower than --------Hell a cat fan is better-------A democrat to boot. :twisted:
This is for both you & PR. First, I agreed with AG1 who called the Griz program "the dirtiest thugfest." I thought I'd be more polite, calling it corruption. Why don't you charge AG1 with not providing specifics? Speaking of specifics, they've been all over the press and this board for years. Your feigned ignorance is disingenuous. You & PR know damned well what are the specifics.Umista said:
Plus, any reading/viewing over the years re: booster/player corruption shows that this is a characteristic of many college football programs. People talk about coaches being under pressure. Where does this pressure come from, outside the desire to win, if not from the boosters? College presidents are even under that pressure. I'm sure most college presidents suffer the popularity of the football programs to advance the interests of their institution. Officially, college administrators want their sports to be "competitive" in their conference. But, the boosters & fans are not satisfied w/ that, so the pressure is on.
I know that Gordon Gee, pres. of Ohio State understands the importance of a football program, and he understood that when he was pres. at the University of Colorado, when CU had strong teams under him. That kind of president sees football as a tool, nothing more, and even he had to fire a successful coach at OSU because the program, for lack of a better term, became corrupted.
I'll bet if you took a survey in this community whether or not the Griz football program was corrupt, at least 60% would answer in the affirmative. I say WAS corrupt because RE won't allow that to happen, again.
And that gets me to the point Umista raises that I'm a lousy fan because I called the program as it was, corrupt. As a UM alum, I'm first a fan of UM. Then, I'm a fan of UM sports. Then, I'm a fan of UM football. I care about the Griz, otherwise I would not post on this board. You may be a fan of UM football, but you're no fan of UM if you think that, despite all that's publicly known about Griz football and football programs at other colleges, Griz football was not corrupt, or as AG1 put it, "the dirtiest thugfest."
It's all about image, perception, whatever you want to call it. Football can improve the image of a college; or, it can tarnish it. That's what happened at Ohio State, what happened at Penn State, what happened at many other colleges, and what was happening at UM before RE put his foot down, and not too soon.
Of course I'm not "painting 95 young men," and you know it. Maybe you should ask AG1 what he means by "the dirtiest thugfest." I'm describing the program, not all the young men. What's that saying about a few bad apples? If I owe an apology, it is to the boosters, who I've painted w/ a broad brush, unfair to them. But, there are bad apples there, too. I cannot cite specific names at UM. I'm just extrapolating from stories in the press around this country over the years.AZGrizFan said:
And, please, no name-calling.
It gets back to that image thing. As I said before, a football program can polish the image of a college, or it can tarnish it, and I believe that RE saw the program over the past several years as tarnishing UM, and whoever was the coach or AD at the time would have been fired, too. We need an AD hire and a new coach hire who have no previous ties to the program.
Let's move on. Go Grizzz!!
Grizzoola said:
If you don't think calling the "program" a thugfest is painting everyone in it with the same broad (and horribly inaccurate) brush then there truly is no help for you. I think the dozens and dozens of young gentlemen who wrote the letter last Spring to Griz fans would vehemently disagree with your misguided opinion of the "program". :roll: :roll:
ilovethecats
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AZGrizFan said:
but what do they think about unlv? that's the real question.....
I wasn't the one calling the program a "thugfest." Reread the thread. And, there is a difference between a program and the players. The players are only one part, a key part, of the program. A program involves much more than just the players, and that's what I'm getting at & what I think RE is getting at. It includes the boosters as well as UM administration, the coaches, and the players.AZGrizFan said:
It's good so many players stepped up in defending the program. It's good that the players (those who are mentioned only in sports stories and not headlined on the front page of the Missoulian) are energized by preserving the image of UM. I hope they never welcome anyone in their group who does things that tarnish the image not only of Griz football, but UM, itself. There can be leadership off the field as well as on it.