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Actual Football discussion Griz vs NDSU

Key Match ups:

Griz D line vs NDSU line. The bison are big strong and experienced. Last year they had difficulty running up the middle & had to run to the edges, which they did with success. The Griz line is a bit smaller, with the lost of Tonga, i think we will miss having a big bodied NT when playing a power running team. The starters will play well, but depth is a concern. If the Bison need a long finishing drive to win the game, I think the Griz will have a tough time getting the stop.

Wentz vs the Griz D. NDSU QB is taoughed as the next NFL bound FCS QB. The Big Sky is full great passing teams, and the griz are built to play verse a passing team; lighter and more agile than what you might find in the MVC. If Wentz is forced to beat the Griz defense with his arm, I think we'll have the edge.

New Offense vs a young Defense: The Bison Defense is young, but they are probably reloading more than they are rebuilding. They'll be good by the middle of the season. But this is the first game of the year, they'll make mistakes. Remember that NDSU had trouble vs Weber at the start of last season, and Weber is a bottom feeder in the big sky. They might come out rusty again. The Offense for the Griz is new, even if many of the skill players have a bit of experience. Our O-Line will be shaky for awhile, maybe through October. We'll make our mistakes too. Three interceptions wouldn't surprise me.

We have an advantage with the new offense in that the Bison may not know what they are going to face. Sure they know its an Air Raid based system, high tempo etc. But the film on CSoM is probably limited in quantity and it can't be assumed to be exactly what the Griz will roll out. My hope is that we'll get a few early scores just on the surprise factor.

A second advantage the Griz has over the the Bison is that they have not played very many pass first teams over the last five years. Indiana State is the ONLY teaming the MVC that passes more then they run. The last passing team they played in the fcs playoffs was EWU back in 2010! They are not build around stopping passing teams, they are built to stop what they find in their league; power running teams. They will need to play in a nickel or dime package most of the game in order to match up with the Griz's four wide receiver scheme. That too takes NDSU's defense slightly out of their well honed, bread and butter, 4-3 tampa 2 scheme. If (big if) the Griz offense can get it together early, we might put some serious points on the board!

How the Griz might lose the game:

If the griz line cannot slow the rush of the NDSU front for at least 3 step drop, we will be in big, big trouble. Hopefully the have gelled over the course of the fall scrimmages.

Same is true with a press coverage, if we can't beat the high pressure defense we will get rolled! In the early scrimmages it seems the offense had difficulty with that type of defense.

If the Griz go 3 and out too often at the start of the game. A major component of Coach Stitts gameplan is to tire out the defense. NDSU WILL have long, clock consuming drives which will rest their defense, no doubt about that. We NEED to have sustained drives. I'd love to see a NDSU play off the line, follow the tampa 2 philosophy of keep everything in front of them. Forcing the Griz to make short, easy passes for a few yards at a time. Doesn't sound exciting to watch, and many viewers will look at the drive and think the Bison are the better team. However, multiple LONG drives, 12-18+ plays will exhaust the defense. That will pay dividends in the fourth quarter.

Find themselves is a tight game and allow the Bison to run out the clock during the second half of the fourth Quarter.


I think both of these teams will scores some points, maybe in the high 20's, low 30's. If the Griz jump out to a fast start, I think we'll be able to beat them. I don't think that we'll be able to play catch up late in the forth quarter.
 
Two keys: Stitt & Gregorak.

Stitt has the more difficult task to be sure. But we'll see how good a tactician he really is in how he adapts to his teams shortcomings. He's already noted that he doesn't really worry too much about what the defense is doing. So if Gus is as good as we hope, can Stitt figure out how to keep him upright and the committee of RB's running for positive yards. The receivers will hold up their end of this bargain. Can the O-line?

Ty has an opportunity here. He's minus a horse or two up front, but the back seven is as good potentially as we've seen in some time. I think he'll take some risks that aren't normal in a Ty-of-the-past bend-don't -break D. Blitz on running downs so they can mitigate for not having a big body in the middle, tighter coverage than the 8-10 yards off the ball we're used to seeing & leveraging the talent behind the front. He's looking for a team of his own, what better way to punch up your resume a bit.

Win or lose, got a feeling this one won't disappoint.
 
bgbigdog said:
Two keys: Stitt & Gregorak.

Ty has an opportunity here. He's minus a horse or two up front, but the back seven is as good potentially as we've seen in some time. I think he'll take some risks that aren't normal in a Ty-of-the-past bend-don't -break D. Blitz on running downs so they can mitigate for not having a big body in the middle, tighter coverage than the 8-10 yards off the ball we're used to seeing & leveraging the talent behind the front. He's looking for a team of his own, what better way to punch up your resume a bit.

Win or lose, got a feeling this one won't disappoint.


Great point about TG going a bit more aggressive. I have a feeling that Stitt has asked him to take more risks than our previous, conservative coach. It matches with Stitts high tempo, wear them out, score a lot of points offensive scheme.
 
Question for those in the know. Sorry I haven't gone through every thread looking but I"m curious as to how many if any redshirts will Stitt be pulling for this year? Looks like for NDSU for sure 1 and possibly 2 or 3 more. Kleiman was asked at a presser and he acknowledged that Robbie Grimsely Mr. Football in Minnesota last fall will play this year. Link to Fargo Forum article on the kid.
http://www.inforum.com/sports/3823602-true-freshman-grimsley-having-dream-fall-camp-bison
 
Non-sugar coated analysis:

NDSU's great O-line will show us why they are such a great rushing team. They will establish the run early, which will cause us to move more players into the zone to try to stop the running game. Wentz will then start throwing to wide open receivers, and will skewer us through the air. I think NDSU will be able to score 35-40 points on Saturday. Can we score that points many to keep it close? We'll see. I predict that our special teams will give up at least 1-2 big plays to NDSU, either a blocked punt or FG, a long return, a fumble, etc. There are too many unanswered questions about the Stitt offense for me to make any prediction relative to that. I do know that our weak offensive line will have big problems keeping the NDSU defenders off of Gus, and I think our running game will be very limited.
 
BisonBacker said:
Question for those in the know. Sorry I haven't gone through every thread looking but I"m curious as to how many if any redshirts will Stitt be pulling for this year? Looks like for NDSU for sure 1 and possibly 2 or 3 more. Kleiman was asked at a presser and he acknowledged that Robbie Grimsely Mr. Football in Minnesota last fall will play this year. Link to Fargo Forum article on the kid.
http://www.inforum.com/sports/3823602-true-freshman-grimsley-having-dream-fall-camp-bison

Really don't know if it has been fully established which will be red shirted. One has been declared as such due to a surgery. Though I believe the new coach is essentially checking everyone out before deciding who to sit for the year. So for the moment just about nobody is a red shirt. :ugeek:
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
Non-sugar coated analysis:

NDSU's great O-line will show us why they are such a great rushing team. They will establish the run early, which will cause us to move more players into the zone to try to stop the running game. Wentz will then start throwing to wide open receivers, and will skewer us through the air. I think NDSU will be able to score 35-40 points on Saturday. Can we score that points many to keep it close? We'll see. I predict that our special teams will give up at least 1-2 big plays to NDSU, either a blocked punt or FG, a long return, a fumble, etc. There are too many unanswered questions about the Stitt offense for me to make any prediction relative to that. I do know that our weak offensive line will have big problems keeping the NDSU defenders off of Gus, and I think our running game will be very limited.

I actually think our D-line and front seven will hold up very well against NDSU in the first half. I am not worried at all that the Bison will run it down our throats early in the game. What worries me is the offense being able to move the ball. I think it’s going to be a few games before Stitt figures out the personnel and the kids learn to execute the offense. We are probably not going to move the ball efficiently against a stout NDSU defense and that will give just to many chances to the NDSU offense. They will eventually pull away from us but look for the game to be competitive at least through the first half before the NDSU ground game starts to put our defense in their place. If our offense does manage to execute a few long drives in the first half we win this one.
 
JayLarson said:
I think the officials will play a part in the game, if they call NDSU for holding on the outside of the offensive line even half the time that they do it, we will have a better chance in stopping their run game. Every game I have ever seen them play that get away with a ton of holding. If our offense can get us a lead right away in the game and we are ahead at halftime, I can see the Griz pulling off the upset. A big special teams play is also going to be needed.
I always find this to be interesting when people say it about the Bison. If one team is consistently holding and getting away with it. No matter which refs they have, no matter who they're playing. Well, figure out how they're doing it, and start teaching it. Because it's obviously NOT holding if it doesn't get called as often as people claim it happens. Hey, coaches if you think it's true, figure out what they're technique is. I think it's a technique that is taught. Can't be sure, but in watching many games over the last few years. I really think they have a unique style of blocking using leverage and time that they are able to control the defender.
 
tojo70 said:
JayLarson said:
I think the officials will play a part in the game, if they call NDSU for holding on the outside of the offensive line even half the time that they do it, we will have a better chance in stopping their run game. Every game I have ever seen them play that get away with a ton of holding. If our offense can get us a lead right away in the game and we are ahead at halftime, I can see the Griz pulling off the upset. A big special teams play is also going to be needed.
I always find this to be interesting when people say it about the Bison. If one team is consistently holding and getting away with it. No matter which refs they have, no matter who they're playing. Well, figure out how they're doing it, and start teaching it. Because it's obviously NOT holding if it doesn't get called as often as people claim it happens. Hey, coaches if you think it's true, figure out what they're technique is. I think it's a technique that is taught. Can't be sure, but in watching many games over the last few years. I really think they have a unique style of blocking using leverage and time that they are able to control the defender.

I am assuming it is taught too, there is not way around it. So if it is indeed taught, holding is in violation of the rules, and most coaches are not going to teach something that is outside of the rules. So maybe only NDSU has a coaching staff that is coaching players on the art of holding. Sounds like a move Bill Belicheck would be proud of.

Looking back on last season, in all games, the lack of holding calls against the players blocking Zack, was laughable, I bet he was held on half the plays last season.

I am not trying to insinuate that NDSU is cheating by learning how to get away with holding, but the refs need to have it brought to their attention before, during, and probably after the game too!
 
I think the ref knows what is and is not holding, maybe some of the keyboard coaches need to find out what is and is not holding. For example there are 6 different kinds of holding and I bet very few of you can list all six. It takes years for the refs to get to the fcs level and they don't get there by not knowing the rules and what to look for. I think the holding some of you are talking about is pure poppycock plain and simple.
 
NDSU has ran the same scheme run block wise for 10 years now, and over 100 games, i'm pretty sure we've never been called for holding for more than 2-3 times a game. So you're gonna have to start believing that NDSU DOESNT HOLD!

Im curious about Montana's 6 7 QB getting off a pass without a 7 step drop with NDSU DE's & blitzing LB's coming at him. watch for that match up early.
 
JayLarson said:
I am assuming it is taught too, there is not way around it. So if it is indeed taught, holding is in violation of the rules, and most coaches are not going to teach something that is outside of the rules. So maybe only NDSU has a coaching staff that is coaching players on the art of holding. Sounds like a move Bill Belicheck would be proud of.

Looking back on last season, in all games, the lack of holding calls against the players blocking Zack, was laughable, I bet he was held on half the plays last season.

I am not trying to insinuate that NDSU is cheating by learning how to get away with holding, but the refs need to have it brought to their attention before, during, and probably after the game too!
Totally missed what I was saying. I'm not saying the coaches teat them how to cheat, I'm saying it's BLOCKING TECHNIQUE that is being taught. To to the amateur eye, in full speed, yes I can see how it would look like holding. But it's not. I've heard time and time again from many different teams' fans about how the Bison hold. If it's as blatant as they (and you) say, do you really think it would not have been brought to the officials attention?
In my amateur view, it looks to me that the blocker lets the defender turn which way he wants to go. Then, when the defender tries to square up the blocker just keeps pushing him in the same direction he was just going, being unable to square up to get in position for the tackle.
 
tojo70 said:
JayLarson said:
I am assuming it is taught too, there is not way around it. So if it is indeed taught, holding is in violation of the rules, and most coaches are not going to teach something that is outside of the rules. So maybe only NDSU has a coaching staff that is coaching players on the art of holding. Sounds like a move Bill Belicheck would be proud of.

Looking back on last season, in all games, the lack of holding calls against the players blocking Zack, was laughable, I bet he was held on half the plays last season.

I am not trying to insinuate that NDSU is cheating by learning how to get away with holding, but the refs need to have it brought to their attention before, during, and probably after the game too!
Totally missed what I was saying. I'm not saying the coaches teat them how to cheat, I'm saying it's BLOCKING TECHNIQUE that is being taught. To to the amateur eye, in full speed, yes I can see how it would look like holding. But it's not. I've heard time and time again from many different teams' fans about how the Bison hold. If it's as blatant as they (and you) say, do you really think it would not have been brought to the officials attention?
In my amateur view, it looks to me that the blocker lets the defender turn which way he wants to go. Then, when the defender tries to square up the blocker just keeps pushing him in the same direction he was just going, being unable to square up to get in position for the tackle.
Welcome to O-Line blocking 101, which is apparently only taught at NDSU.
 
Bisonation said:
NDSU has ran the same scheme run block wise for 10 years now, and over 100 games, i'm pretty sure we've never been called for holding for more than 2-3 times a game. So you're gonna have to start believing that NDSU DOESNT HOLD!

Im curious about Montana's 6 7 QB getting off a pass without a 7 step drop with NDSU DE's & blitzing LB's coming at him. watch for that match up early.
:lol: :lol:

Did you say 7-step drop?

Holy Christ, that's funny.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Welcome to O-Line blocking 101, which is apparently only taught at NDSU.[/quote]
Ya, figured I'd take it too far trying to explain what I meant. I'll just have more to drink, then I'll be able to articulate it well. :)
 
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