Academic Center a Go?

[WaGriz4life]

So is it true that it's open and available for any student to use?

If so, totally agree with the people saying the weight rooms/locker rooms should have been done first. If it's not specifically for student athletes, then it kind of defeats the whole point in having it, no? :?

Yes it is open to any student. Yes it defeats the entire purpose of having an athletic academic center.

The powers that be at the U were not about to build a new building that only a fraction of the student body can use. Which is why I'm nervous that the weight room and locker room projects will get held up. Really hope I'm wrong

 

[letsgogriz]

Washgrizfan1 how do you have any clue what I do and do not know. I'm stating facts based on the work I did. I also did the drawings of many of the locker room concepts your talking about, so your not giving me new information. I was simply stating that one of your posts blaming Engstrom for the academic center going first is incorrect. By the way isn't the point of name dropping usually include saying the persons name. Or did you just have lunch with a "certain AD" from any random school and wanted to pretend you had insider info.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Washgrizfan1 how do you have any clue what I do and do not know. I'm stating facts based on the work I did. I also did the drawings of many of the locker room concepts your talking about, so your not giving me new information. I was simply stating that one of your posts blaming Engstrom for the academic center going first is incorrect. By the way isn't the point of name dropping usually include saying the persons name. Or did you just have lunch with a "certain AD" from any random school and wanted to pretend you had insider info.

I had lunch with Jim O'Day. I asked him this exact question and discussed the subject in general. He said Engstrom set the academic center as no. 1 priority, not Dennison. He said Dennison wouldn't have done that, especially in these circumstances.

 

[tnt]

Yes its "open to all" but that in no way detracts from its purpose. Heres a pretty good article:

http://www.montanakaimin.com/news/article_1e0a0bd1-4eb5-584c-b3c2-0252ac2b1dab.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FWIW it was a battle to get even it by the BOR let alone the legislature. There was a pretty strong feeling that needed or not NOW was not the time considering declining budgets and public opinion (right or wrong) to spend anything on athletics.

For what ever its worth academic standarsd are increasing across the board. We are okay right now despite a couple of bad years, but it could change easily..... (ask MSU) This is a welcome and necessary thing. And yes it recruits mom's. If you don't understand the importance of THAT, understand little about recruiting........

 

[kemajic]

So is it true that it's open and available for any student to use?

If so, totally agree with the people saying the weight rooms/locker rooms should have been done first. If it's not specifically for student athletes, then it kind of defeats the whole point in having it, no? :?

Yes it is open to any student. Yes it defeats the entire purpose of having an athletic academic center.

The powers that be at the U were not about to build a new building that only a fraction of the student body can use. Which is why I'm nervous that the weight room and locker room projects will get held up. Really hope I'm wrong

That contradicts what Kent Haslam said just last Thursday. When asked that question in Billings, he responded that the center was for all student-athletes - only. Recall it is privately funded by donations to the AD, not to the general fund or Foundation. Also, the GSA is not about to kick in a half million to help build an academic center open to all students. I will believe Haslam.

 

[kemajic]

Yes its "open to all" but that in no way detracts from its purpose. Heres a pretty good article:

http://www.montanakaimin.com/news/article_1e0a0bd1-4eb5-584c-b3c2-0252ac2b1dab.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FWIW it was a battle to get even it by the BOR let alone the legislature. There was a pretty strong feeling that needed or not NOW was not the time considering declining budgets and public opinion (right or wrong) to spend anything on athletics.

For what ever its worth academic standarsd are increasing across the board. We are okay right now despite a couple of bad years, but it could change easily..... (ask MSU) This is a welcome and necessary thing. And yes it recruits mom's. If you don't understand the importance of THAT, understand little about recruiting........

The link you supplied is dated.

 

[UMGriz75]

In the Kaimin article, Pat Williams displayed an odd myopia, as illuminated by Sheila Stearns:

"It seems to me there's a partitioning — maybe an unnecessary partitioning — that benefits the athletes and doesn't benefit the other students," he said.

Sheila Stearns, the outgoing commissioner of higher education, compared the center to buildings such as the Davidson Honors College and Payne Family Native American Center, which serve specific students but are open to all.

For Pat, a standard discriminatory politicization of every issue. In this case, it's OK for some, but not for others, especially if they are athletes.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

With your reasoning, instead of building any athletic facilities, UM should just build new libraries. "After all, it is a university, and all athletes are students."

New libraries, indeed. Back over thirty years ago the Mansfield Library, at least had books. You know?..liber = book. All you got's now is a bunch of friggin' computers. Now, I can undertand the vocational pursuit of such a use, but that should all be contained in some "Tech" type of collegian-type campus somewhere; not a library.

Where's the Biological Abstracts?..the Chemical Abstracts? Where's even an encyclopedia?

But I don't have to ask why my reception by a mere sneer by the attending staff of said library of my donation of nearly over ten years of The Military History magazine up to about 2003. This, a publication of the world's military history, regardless of where, for the most part, accompanied by psychological and societal anaylsis on not just historical significance, but present as well, by those that "have been there, and have done that," sort of deal. As well as by academically equivalent faculty members of various civilian and miltary colleges; including many main-selling authors. At times, no matter which side you were on. With accompanying pictures as well, for the slow ones.

Two out of four floors with bare shelves? Pretty low-life, if you ask me.

 

[mcg]

What's the status of the fund raising? If the Academic Center project is completely funded with donation dollars, why is legislative approval required?

 

[kemajic]

What's the status of the fund raising? If the Academic Center project is completely funded with donation dollars, why is legislative approval required?

Neither the private donors nor the AD own the property upon which the structure will be built. The approval of such a project is a formality.

 

[mcg]

Why does it require legislative approval? Shouldn't the President of the University be able to make a "CEO" decision about the University he leads and approve the project? The legislature primary function is appropriate tax dollars and if there is no appropriation it would seem to me that they should be out of the picture.

I'm not disputing what you say, I just find the need for legislative approval odd.

 

[mondayamqb]

Now that I've seen the concept it looks like something floating around four or five years ago that could just as well have been called the Athletic Department Administrative Center. It included completely remodeled, expanded, and consolidated offices for AD, GSA, coaches, staff. etc. And, some meeting/classrooms. Has anyone seen the drawings?