A cool article about MT recruiting

[CDAGRIZ]

Super cool "article!" I especially liked the part where the author wrote about how good the Cats are going to be next year. I've never read anything like it about the Cats in the offseason.

 

[bgbigdog]

Ground breaking. Is this the same tool who initially welcomed "Mack" Delaney into the Butte Sports HOF last year? What's wrong, topic not getting much play over on BN right now?

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Doc3kgt, honest question. Do you personally feel the answers for the Cats are more Montana kids? MSU has a large number of MT kits already, this article seems to imply they are go7my to get more of them. I think a balance of MT kids and out of state kids is healthy.

It's probably an issue of quality over quantity, but one would think that if MSU dominates the recruiting scene in MT their chances of landing more of the talent goes up as well. I just thought it was an interesting article that would stimulate some discussion. It is also written by a UM grad griz fan, for what it's worth.

You are saying that more in-state recruits should equal more in-state talent acquired. However, Ash has proven that a plethora of excellent athletes (from in-state and out of state) does not necessarily equal on-field success. It certainly looks good, but if there is no production to go with it, it's meaningless. I do like a good mix of Montana toughness and out of state talent. Sometimes those great athletes from California or Texas get an education about pride and toughness from those kids from Butte or Great Falls. In the end, though, it's all about production. If you can't get wins, then all a roster full of Montana kids means very little.

 

[Copper Griz]

I am being serious and not trying to talk smack here. I have now come to the conclusion that there really is no longer a rivalry between the U of M and MSU. Over the last 25+ years MSU is an underperforming program that has rarely beat the U of M. When they do - it is usually affiliated with a change of guard in coaching for the Grizzlies. I don't get upset when Cat fans are pounding their chest and anointing themselves champions of the World every year. That is what all fans do. The Grizzlies are already headed in the right direction. The Cats - who knows, but I wish them well and feel sorry for them. They are simply irrelevant right now - so stop paying attention to troll posters who are just trying to get a rise out of you. We are talking about a team who can't stop a third grade girl from gaining yards, can't win the BSC, can't beat the dominant team in the state, can't win the conference, can't make a deep playoff run, play in a stadium that looks like a bastardized horseshoe, have a new and unknown coach, have a new and unknown QB, and has to smell the stench from their poop pond out back. Why are we talking about them - unless it is to express sympathy? Those poor bastards.

 

[Allezchat]

Dude, you came here and wanted to have a discussion about this article that says how great Cat recruiting will be with this staff and you call it a "cool article" Did you really think that you would get a good discussion by doing so.

I read the article after it was posted on BN. Interesting that Foley wrote it, seeing as how much of a griz homer he is. Often way anti-Cat. I think he overplays MT recruiting. We can't field a team of just MT kids. And he writes mostly about how many Butte players this may mean for the Cats. I don't know that its a good thing to recruit Butte or MT players just because they are from Butte/MT. (begin sarcastic font)Take Daum for instance. Should he really play at this level? Or perhaps the NAIA level? Overrated because he comes from Butte.(end sarcastic font)

 

[billingsgriz]

While I am pretty new Cat's HC Jeff Choate will have success in Bozeman as the helm of The Shi##y Kitties and that, yes, Brian Armstrong, formerly Rocky's HC, and BJ Robertson, formerly Western's HC, will help The Shi##y Kitties recruit Montana kids, I don't think Coach Stitt and his staff are peeing down their collective leg in Missoula.

Despite getting a late start on recruiting last year--he was hired on Decd. 16, 2014, Coach Stitt beat the Cats for the services of players such as Holden Ryan, a big 6-3, 220 lb WR from right here in Billings ( Billings Central), Colin Bingham, a 6-3, 220 lb WR from Missoula Big Sky, Josh Sandry, a 6-1, 190 lb safety from Big Fork, Jesse Sims, a 6-4, 235 TE/DE from Stevensville that de-committed from Oregon State once Mike Riley left The Beavers for Nebraska, and of course, Dalton Daum from Butte High, the State Class AA sprint champion in the 100 and 200 that had committed to The Shi##y Kitties and Coach Ash until Bob Stitt sweet-talked Dalton into playing for the grizzly bears, the apex predator of North America, instead of the bobcats, not at the very bottom of the food chain but not too far above it.

As for Ty Gregorak, yes it will sting losing him to The Dark Side, by maybe not as much as some think.

Ty, after being hired in Bozeman, lamented the fact that he was first hired as a position coach at UM in 2003 and 12 years later, he was still in Missoula. Well, two years before Ty came to Missoula, another young defensive-position coach at UM, Dave Doeren, left after our 2001 NC under Joe Glenn to spend 3 years in Lawrence as The Jayhawks LB coach, and then off to Madison to become The Badger's LB Coach and eventual DC before in 2011 taking over the helm at Northern Illinois, leading The Huskies to The 2013 Orange Bowl, a huge accomplishment for a MAC team to make a BCS Bowl, and then taking over the helm at North Carolina State's Wolfpack of The ACC in 2013.

Dave Doeren used The GRIZ 2001 NC to get the LB job at Kansas, The Jayhawks job to get The LB job at Wisconsin, the LB/DC job at Wisconsin to land the HC job at N. Illinois, and his success at The Husky's head man to land the top job at NC State. Coach Choate, similarly, went from Boise State, to Florida, to Eastern Illinois, back to UDub under his mentor Chris Peterson, before landing in Bozeman.

Ty is still in Missoula largely due to his strategy of attaching himself to Bobby Hauck and almost making it to Las Vegas, and now he has attached his wagon to Jeff Choate's rising star instead of making his own way, aka Dave Doeren or Coach Choate or former GRIZ DL Coach Lawrence Suianoua, Coach Legi, who like Dave Doeren, parlayed his experience at UM to a Mountain West job coaching the DL for Hawaii and in so doing, approximately tripling his salary. (Good thing--Hawaii is not a cheap place to live !)


As for recruiting Montana, we have a couple of native Montanans on staff, too. Griz OL Coach Chad Germer of Three Forks, Griz WR Coach Mike Ferriter from Helena, and Griz QB Coach Andrew Selle from Billings West. They also know a little about Montana geography and high-school FB, and while Coach Choate was interviewing and then putting together his staff, they were pounding the Montana pavement, not awaiting to learn who the new Shi##y Kitty HC was going to be or reading Mr. Foley's column awarding the best high-school players in Montana to The Shi##y Kitties before Choate's first recruiting class is even announced.

And we also have a deep bench of some former Griz and NFL players, such as Tim Hauck, Lex Hilliard, Caleb McSurdy, Thatcher Szalay, Cory Proctor, and Shann Schillinger that have already or may one day soon find themselves back in Missoula wearing a GRIZ cap, polo shirt, whistle and headset.

While I am sure Coach Choate will win some Montana recruiting battles, I think we will continue to win the majority of the best Montana high-school football players--complacent is not a good adjective to describe Bob Stitt !!!

 

[daGrizJ]

So what are these two "great" hires from Rocky and Western going to do--recruit players for the Cats who are good enough for Rocky and Western but were not good enough for the Cats or the Griz. That should really help the Cats compete in the Frontier Conference in the future. I think most decent MT players are going to go where they stand the best chance of playing the system that they are best suited for and where the team is winning regularly and beating the hated in state rival on a regular basis--i will be surprised if these two "great" hires have a big effect on getting the real good MT players to MSU.

This.

 

[onrasekt]

I am being serious and not trying to talk smack here. I have now come to the conclusion that there really is no longer a rivalry between the U of M and MSU. Over the last 25+ years MSU is an underperforming program that has rarely beat the U of M. When they do - it is usually affiliated with a change of guard in coaching for the Grizzlies. I don't get upset when Cat fans are pounding their chest and anointing themselves champions of the World every year. That is what all fans do. The Grizzlies are already headed in the right direction. The Cats - who knows, but I wish them well and feel sorry for them. They are simply irrelevant right now - so stop paying attention to troll posters who are just trying to get a rise out of you. We are talking about a team who can't stop a third grade girl from gaining yards, can't win the BSC, can't beat the dominant team in the state, can't win the conference, can't make a deep playoff run, play in a stadium that looks like a bastardized horseshoe, have a new and unknown coach, have a new and unknown QB, and has to smell the stench from their poop pond out back. Why are we talking about them - unless it is to express sympathy? Those poor bastards.

Hahahahahaha
Exactly

 

[grzz]

While I am pretty new Cat's HC Jeff Choate will have success in Bozeman as the helm of The Shi##y Kitties and that, yes, Brian Armstrong, formerly Rocky's HC, and BJ Robertson, formerly Western's HC, will help The Shi##y Kitties recruit Montana kids, I don't think Coach Stitt and his staff are peeing down their collective leg in Missoula.

Despite getting a late start on recruiting last year--he was hired on Decd. 16, 2014, Coach Stitt beat the Cats for the services of players such as Holden Ryan, a big 6-3, 220 lb WR from right here in Billings ( Billings Central), Colin Bingham, a 6-3, 220 lb WR from Missoula Big Sky, Josh Sandry, a 6-1, 190 lb safety from Big Fork, Jesse Sims, a 6-4, 235 TE/DE from Stevensville that de-committed from Oregon State once Mike Riley left The Beavers for Nebraska, and of course, Dalton Daum from Butte High, the State Class AA sprint champion in the 100 and 200 that had committed to The Shi##y Kitties and Coach Ash until Bob Stitt sweet-talked Dalton into playing for the grizzly bears, the apex predator of North America, instead of the bobcats, not at the very bottom of the food chain but not too far above it.

As for Ty Gregorak, yes it will sting losing him to The Dark Side, by maybe not as much as some think.

Ty, after being hired in Bozeman, lamented the fact that he was first hired as a position coach at UM in 2003 and 12 years later, he was still in Missoula. Well, two years before Ty came to Missoula, another young defensive-position coach at UM, Dave Doeren, left after our 2001 NC under Joe Glenn to spend 3 years in Lawrence as The Jayhawks LB coach, and then off to Madison to become The Badger's LB Coach and eventual DC before in 2011 taking over the helm at Northern Illinois, leading The Huskies to The 2013 Orange Bowl, a huge accomplishment for a MAC team to make a BCS Bowl, and then taking over the helm at North Carolina State's Wolfpack of The ACC in 2013.

Dave Doeren used The GRIZ 2001 NC to get the LB job at Kansas, The Jayhawks job to get The LB job at Wisconsin, the LB/DC job at Wisconsin to land the HC job at N. Illinois, and his success at The Husky's head man to land the top job at NC State. Coach Choate, similarly, went from Boise State, to Florida, to Eastern Illinois, back to UDub under his mentor Chris Peterson, before landing in Bozeman.

Ty is still in Missoula largely due to his strategy of attaching himself to Bobby Hauck and almost making it to Las Vegas, and now he has attached his wagon to Jeff Choate's rising star instead of making his own way, aka Dave Doeren or Coach Choate or former GRIZ DL Coach Lawrence Suianoua, Coach Legi, who like Dave Doeren, parlayed his experience at UM to a Mountain West job coaching the DL for Hawaii and in so doing, approximately tripling his salary. (Good thing--Hawaii is not a cheap place to live !)


As for recruiting Montana, we have a couple of native Montanans on staff, too. Griz OL Coach Chad Germer of Three Forks, Griz WR Coach Mike Ferriter from Helena, and Griz QB Coach Andrew Selle from Billings West. They also know a little about Montana geography and high-school FB, and while Coach Choate was interviewing and then putting together his staff, they were pounding the Montana pavement, not awaiting to learn who the new Shi##y Kitty HC was going to be or reading Mr. Foley's column awarding the best high-school players in Montana to The Shi##y Kitties before Choate's first recruiting class is even announced.

And we also have a deep bench of some former Griz and NFL players, such as Tim Hauck, Lex Hilliard, Caleb McSurdy, Thatcher Szalay, Cory Proctor, and Shann Schillinger that have already or may one day soon find themselves back in Missoula wearing a GRIZ cap, polo shirt, whistle and headset.

While I am sure Coach Choate will win some Montana recruiting battles, I think we will continue to win the majority of the best Montana high-school football players--complacent is not a good adjective to describe Bob Stitt !!!

+1

 

[UMGriz75]

While I am sure Coach Choate will win some Montana recruiting battles, I think we will continue to win the majority of the best Montana high-school football players-

There are kids that will always go to Bozeman. There are "Bobcat" high schools, and "Bobcat" towns and "Bobcat" families -- loyalties that run long and deep, as well as students seeking specific educational goals. Same for UM. In those cases, neither school "wins" those recruiting battles; the outcomes were decided before the kids were born. But for the rest, UM presents an incomparable opportunity with regard to history, tradition, facilities and future. Those kids are UM's to lose, not Bozeman's to win.