#5 Lady Griz v. #4 Eastern Washington Quarterifnals BSC Tournament

[Mousegriz]

And playoffs every year with wins, and 2 finishes at about no. 8 in nation and one at 14 in nation. That's good enough for me. Who doesn't win a game at the Big Sky hoops tourney in 2 years?

Also Mouse, this is the basketball board. Bobby’s coaching the football team has nothing to do with Lady Griz / Griz Basketball. I never played the game, but I at least know that. Please stop mucking up the board and stay on topic. Thanks.

Hoops was talking about um coaches, the plight of a Red's bartender and the 5th leading scorer on UM Westerns women's team. Sorry I responded.

 

[Griz66]

Yes this was a disappointing end to the season and there were a number of conference games we should have won and part of that is due to youth and some of it may also be coaching. We will find out next year I would bet and if next year ends like this year I bet some changes will be made. I for one think the future is very bright and there are some great recruits coming in. It is also interesting that Hoops continues to complain about the 6 players cut loose two years ago. There is not one of these 6 that would be getting any major playing time here and we all know that and most would not even be on the team. Brain did not make these moves in a vacuum, the rest of the staff had input and did what needed to be done. Pickens who left for other reasons would have likely been a big contributor but Keller who left after last season would have spent most of her time on the bench with the emergence of Konig and Stump.

 

[MTbest]

1) Portal fear: likely just my own, but we've seen it before. We absolutely need to retain our young and high performing players. But, who is to say for example a players like Konig, Stump, or even Bartsch might be tempted to move on to "better leagues, staff/teams"? 2). Tinkle: What does she make of ALL of this team? Her credibility would seem rock solid!

 

[mthoopsfan]

Yes this was a disappointing end to the season and there were a number of conference games we should have won and part of that is due to youth and some of it may also be coaching. We will find out next year I would bet and if next year ends like this year I bet some changes will be made. I for one think the future is very bright and there are some great recruits coming in. It is also interesting that Hoops continues to complain about the 6 players cut loose two years ago. There is not one of these 6 that would be getting any major playing time here and we all know that and most would not even be on the team. Brain did not make these moves in a vacuum, the rest of the staff had input and did what needed to be done. Pickens who left for other reasons would have likely been a big contributor but Keller who left after last season would have spent most of her time on the bench with the emergence of Konig and Stump.

It is interesting that you apparently can't see that Mouse keeps bringing up the issue, and then I respond. And, interesting to see that you still don't understand that my gripe was with how the coach treated the 6 women so poorly and for what turned out to be no good reason. What the coach did seems to be unprecedented in college basketball. Cutting 6 players in the first week, and cutting most of them by zoom. What a jerk. Not one of the new players the coach brought in that year, is a contributor now. Yes, a former player was let back on the team, but that might have happened under Petrino. The ones that are still around are not playing much. The old staff was gone, except for Jordan. I refuse to believe that Jordan told the new coach to cut all 6 of those players. I will ask her if I see her.

Again, for me, it's not about how good the players cut were or would have been. It's how how they were treated. Encouraging some to leave sooner than later, and telling others after the next season that they weren't going to get playing time would have been normal, and fine with me.

Maybe you treat people like the coach did. I don't. And I would never warm up to someone who treated people that poorly. There seems to be a number of people around Missoula who don't much like the coach. The team may have looked to have more players and potential this season, but the results went backwards. As I said, DeCuire is a 10 times better coach.

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

For those wondering about Lady Griz Big Sky Tournament record, Montana has lost six straight conference tournament games and has gone one and done in five straight league tournaments. Montana won the play in game in 2018 for the lone post season win in the post Robin Selvig era

 

[Grizrunr]

Holsinger is doing a fantastic job.
Step 1. Build back a proud culture that was destroyed by a toxic coach and players that were recruited and mislead to believe they could play at the D1 level. Not an easy task.
Step 2. Get the right players in the program. He is well on his way to accomplishing this.
Step 3. With those "right" players, begin to win. That will take a few years. Loree Payne at NAU had a record of 20-41 her first two seasons, but this year marks the first year with the roster being "her" players. , Binford at MSU also had a tough first few seasons. It will be a process. I think Brian is foucused most on Step 1 right now and doing a fantastic job. Best of all, he has the overwhelming support of the community and his players. Future looks bright. Now, if he could pull off landing Breanne Williams,, what a win that would be.

 

[thirdandlong]

Yes this was a disappointing end to the season and there were a number of conference games we should have won and part of that is due to youth and some of it may also be coaching. We will find out next year I would bet and if next year ends like this year I bet some changes will be made. I for one think the future is very bright and there are some great recruits coming in. It is also interesting that Hoops continues to complain about the 6 players cut loose two years ago. There is not one of these 6 that would be getting any major playing time here and we all know that and most would not even be on the team. Brain did not make these moves in a vacuum, the rest of the staff had input and did what needed to be done. Pickens who left for other reasons would have likely been a big contributor but Keller who left after last season would have spent most of her time on the bench with the emergence of Konig and Stump.

Banned for racist comment

 

[Alaska Griz]

Yes this was a disappointing end to the season and there were a number of conference games we should have won and part of that is due to youth and some of it may also be coaching. We will find out next year I would bet and if next year ends like this year I bet some changes will be made. I for one think the future is very bright and there are some great recruits coming in. It is also interesting that Hoops continues to complain about the 6 players cut loose two years ago. There is not one of these 6 that would be getting any major playing time here and we all know that and most would not even be on the team. Brain did not make these moves in a vacuum, the rest of the staff had input and did what needed to be done. Pickens who left for other reasons would have likely been a big contributor but Keller who left after last season would have spent most of her time on the bench with the emergence of Konig and Stump.

Shhhhhhh, Chief Smokeadic will have to seek treatment from a shaman

I thought you decided to stay off egriz before you were shown the door. Are you not a man of your word? That didn't last long.

 

[mtgriz]

I don't have personal insight but it seems the Sammy Fatkin experience is telling. She quit during the unsettled Schweyen/Petrino times. Then came back when Holsinger was hired. She mentioned in the press conference yesterday how great the past two years have been. Below is a 406Sports article when she received the extra year of eligibility last spring.

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/sammy-fatkins-extended-montana-lady-griz-career-a-blessing-after-rollercoaster-journey

" After starting her college basketball career at Arizona, Fatkin transferred to UM in 2018, but left the program midway through the 2019-20 campaign, then took a year off, before she rejoined the Lady Griz a year ago.

But after last year concluded, it was assumed Fatkin was done, but she found out she might get one more year, and to her it was a no-brainer.

'My journey before the last two years, I gained a lot of perspective and it's really genuinely special here," Fatkin said. "Just finally finding the right culture and the right fit with the right people. I think the biggest part is the people and so spending as much time in this environment is just a blessing.' "

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don't have personal insight but it seems the Sammy Fatkin experience is telling. She quit during the unsettled Schweyen/Petrino times. Then came back when Holsinger was hired. She mentioned in the press conference yesterday how great the past two years have been. Below is a 406Sports article when she received the extra year of eligibility last spring.

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/sammy-fatkins-extended-montana-lady-griz-career-a-blessing-after-rollercoaster-journey

" After starting her college basketball career at Arizona, Fatkin transferred to UM in 2018, but left the program midway through the 2019-20 campaign, then took a year off, before she rejoined the Lady Griz a year ago.

But after last year concluded, it was assumed Fatkin was done, but she found out she might get one more year, and to her it was a no-brainer.

'My journey before the last two years, I gained a lot of perspective and it's really genuinely special here," Fatkin said. "Just finally finding the right culture and the right fit with the right people. I think the biggest part is the people and so spending as much time in this environment is just a blessing.' "

Fatkin left while Shannon was the coach. Not Petrino.

 

[BelierPeaux]

I refuse to believe that Jordan told the new coach to cut all 6 of those players. I will ask her if I see her.

You’d really ask her such a loaded question about something that happened a few years ago now just so you can say I told you so on a message board?

You trolling or just have nothing better to do with your life? I don’t care if someone else brought it up or not, you keep hammering back. You can just take the high road for once.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Holsinger is doing a fantastic job.
Step 1. Build back a proud culture that was destroyed by a toxic coach and players that were recruited and mislead to believe they could play at the D1 level. Not an easy task.
Step 2. Get the right players in the program. He is well on his way to accomplishing this.
Step 3. With those "right" players, begin to win. That will take a few years. Loree Payne at NAU had a record of 20-41 her first two seasons, but this year marks the first year with the roster being "her" players. , Binford at MSU also had a tough first few seasons. It will be a process. I think Brian is foucused most on Step 1 right now and doing a fantastic job. Best of all, he has the overwhelming support of the community and his players. Future looks bright. Now, if he could pull off landing Breanne Williams,, what a win that would be.

So Holsinger had to turn around the culture this season with Gfeller? And last season with her, Stiles and Anderson, and one other player? I didn’t realize that those 3 were such big problems. I call BS on my your building back the culture with the best players on the team.

Shannon’s 2d last season was better than the season. Petrino’s was close too.

The new coach has lost 8 conf games in each season. Same as Petrino and Shannon her last season. How is that a sign of improvement?

When was the last time the LG lost so many games at end of season? Is that your idea of good coaching.

The new coach does not have overwhelming support of the community. Even posters in this thread are not giving overwhelming support. I know a number people who don’t think much of the coach. And the Shannon supporters? They don’t support him at all.

Why don’t try speaking for yourself? You are making up too much stuff. You are welcome to like the coach, but try using the facts.

 

[LittleBear]

Shannon was a bad coach.

Lady Griz had a disappointing season.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Would like to see the LG recruit a long, athletic slasher to replace Sammy & put more pressure on the defense.

 

[Mousegriz]

I don't have personal insight but it seems the Sammy Fatkin experience is telling. She quit during the unsettled Schweyen/Petrino times. Then came back when Holsinger was hired. She mentioned in the press conference yesterday how great the past two years have been. Below is a 406Sports article when she received the extra year of eligibility last spring.

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/sammy-fatkins-extended-montana-lady-griz-career-a-blessing-after-rollercoaster-journey

" After starting her college basketball career at Arizona, Fatkin transferred to UM in 2018, but left the program midway through the 2019-20 campaign, then took a year off, before she rejoined the Lady Griz a year ago.

But after last year concluded, it was assumed Fatkin was done, but she found out she might get one more year, and to her it was a no-brainer.

'My journey before the last two years, I gained a lot of perspective and it's really genuinely special here," Fatkin said. "Just finally finding the right culture and the right fit with the right people. I think the biggest part is the people and so spending as much time in this environment is just a blessing.' "

Fatkin left while Shannon was the coach. Not Petrino.

He knows that! She was commenting on the environment over the past two years.

Wasn't Petrino an assistant COACH under Shannon?

 

[mtgriz]

I don't have personal insight but it seems the Sammy Fatkin experience is telling. She quit during the unsettled Schweyen/Petrino times. Then came back when Holsinger was hired. She mentioned in the press conference yesterday how great the past two years have been. Below is a 406Sports article when she received the extra year of eligibility last spring.

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/sammy-fatkins-extended-montana-lady-griz-career-a-blessing-after-rollercoaster-journey

" After starting her college basketball career at Arizona, Fatkin transferred to UM in 2018, but left the program midway through the 2019-20 campaign, then took a year off, before she rejoined the Lady Griz a year ago.

But after last year concluded, it was assumed Fatkin was done, but she found out she might get one more year, and to her it was a no-brainer.

'My journey before the last two years, I gained a lot of perspective and it's really genuinely special here," Fatkin said. "Just finally finding the right culture and the right fit with the right people. I think the biggest part is the people and so spending as much time in this environment is just a blessing.' "

Fatkin left while Shannon was the coach. Not Petrino.

You really are insufferable. Like all of us, you make some good points, some bad points, and for the most part I just ignore your desire to parry with fellow posters. Petrino was Schweyen’s assistant for four years. For you to feel the need to “correct” me is really something.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Fatkin left while Shannon was the coach. Not Petrino.

What did I “correct” you on?

You really are insufferable. Like all of us, you make some good points, some bad points, and for the most part I just ignore your desire to parry with fellow posters. Petrino was Schweyen’s assistant for four years. For you to feel the need to “correct” me is really something.

For you to think what you say can’t be challenged or supplemented is unbelievable. Petrino didn’t establish the culture under Shannon. And players liked him.

 

[gotgame75]

Fatkin left while Shannon was the coach. Not Petrino.

You really are insufferable. Like all of us, you make some good points, some bad points, and for the most part I just ignore your desire to parry with fellow posters. Petrino was Schweyen’s assistant for four years. For you to feel the need to “correct” me is really something.

Hoops is a pathetic DoucheLord who compensates for his litany of insecurities by antagonizing strangers on the internet.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You really are insufferable. Like all of us, you make some good points, some bad points, and for the most part I just ignore your desire to parry with fellow posters. Petrino was Schweyen’s assistant for four years. For you to feel the need to “correct” me is really something.

Hoops is a pathetic DoucheLord who compensates for his litany of insecurities by antagonizing strangers on the internet.

I don’t have any insecurities.

 

[Mousegriz]

Selvig continues to support the program and new coach. Attends all the games I believe. Lots of cool stuff this year. Naming of Robin Selvig Court, N7 games with native flag songs right alongside national anthem, Native Ball film release at which Selvig Kipp and Harrington all spoke well of the current program.

Hoops really does have a hard little one for this new coach yet swears by an experienced fb coach who finished 4 and 4 and 6th in the conference in his 3rd full season....and one "practice" season.

Lady Griz appear to have a better thing going. They won't finish 6th in conference in Holsinger's 3rd full season. You can puff and offer a bet that's not reliant on getting 30+ points if you disagree.

 

[mtgriz]

What did I “correct” you on?

You really are insufferable. Like all of us, you make some good points, some bad points, and for the most part I just ignore your desire to parry with fellow posters. Petrino was Schweyen’s assistant for four years. For you to feel the need to “correct” me is really something.

For you to think what you say can’t be challenged or supplemented is unbelievable. Petrino didn’t establish the culture under Shannon. And players liked him.

Ha!