3 Griz Arrested

[GrizRanger]

Why don't you anti-Griz "Griz fans" who wanted to kick these players off the team without even knowing what happened that night tell us how you feel about this outcome?

By the way I think the beer in question (if it can be located) should be auctioned off at the beginning of the 3rd quarter of the next home game so the hypocrite anti-Griz "Griz fans" who prefer to drink beer than watch football could bid on the beer. Then the proceeds of said auction could be used to partially reimburse the players for their bail bond expenses.

Trespassing, theft (apparently not charged for some reason), not my kind of Griz player. After a loss wanting to be out at that time of night needing a designated driver is also a sign to me they don't want to give 100% to the team. Drinking alcohol to that point is not good for optimal athletic performance but then again maybe I would be more willing to put off the partying until after the season than them....I know alcohol consumption is legal for their age and have zero problem with it in moderation OUT OF SEASON. But when so much is at stake the next few weeks it was damn selfish. Let's say a one game suspension.....let's say Lebsock starts. Now there is a player who gave a career of hardwork and staying out of jail to get two starts...only because two others got arrested bringing bad Griz behavior to the front page.

Ursus1, you wanted to “send the shitheads packing” before even knowing any facts about this case. Do you think that was reasonable?

At least you now seem to think that a 1 game suspension is more appropriate for the player’s infractions than kicking the players off the team.

Does this mean that you learned something about jumping to conclusions before knowing any facts? Will you be more thoughtful and reasonable and wait for the facts before rushing to judgment in the future?

By the way I don’t think it is realistic to expect players not to drink beer during the football season, especially when so many Griz fans would rather drink booze during the actual football game then watch the game (i.e., those that leave games at halftime to drink).

You might want to consider becoming a fan of Liberty University rather than UM. Your holier than thou perspective would fit in better there.

 

[NDSUSR]

Did Reep go inside the structure? She must have to get a charge right? :?:

 

[UMGriz75]

... theft (apparently not charged for some reason), not my kind of Griz player.

There's the problem. It must have been a Griz player that stole the beer. The automatic assumption, the overt bias, and the direct condemnation.

And a lie.

 

[statler & waldorf]

MPD needs to be investigated like UM was investigated. This whole incident should have been avoided by the officers on the scene, if they had used one ounce of common sense. They need a new line of work. :twisted:

Sounds like the young ladies attorney or dad, (who I THINK is an attorney as well?) is hinting at a civil suit but likely just a move to get prosecutor to drop ALL charges.

Here is the deal though Statler, thanks to the local media the MPD isn't allowed to "let things slide" when it comes to U of M football players. Similar to Gamboa. Many officers in many jurisdictions would likely spend some time getting everyone's side of the story and quite possibly send everyone home and tell them to stay home.

That's not an option here. Imagine the headlines if word leaked out an officer let a football player off after they committed ANY kind of crime. The officers name would be drug through the mud along with everyone else involved. Put yourself in their shoes......I'm not saying this is the case here or in some other instances but it very well could be.

I have been asked to go home and stay there a few times in my life, been asked (by the law) to leave a bar and not come back or have contact with someone I had a "disagreement" with and even been given a ride home by officers on more than one occasion without an arrest, citation or ticket.

Then again I am not a Montana Grizzly football player.

Been there, done that. Officer(s) at the scene assess that situation, make an evaluation, take statements, collect any evidence, and determine how to proceed. The problem may have started at dispatch. with the description responding officers were given. Pucker factor. It may start at the top with assinine directives to patrol officers. It may be career oriented by patrol officers wanting to pad their felony arrest histories. This needs to be looked into by an independent entity and made public. MPD appears to be real life Keystone Cops. I hope the attorney sues the shit out of all involved, for the sake of those wronged.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Why don't you anti-Griz "Griz fans" who wanted to kick these players off the team without even knowing what happened that night tell us how you feel about this outcome?

By the way I think the beer in question (if it can be located) should be auctioned off at the beginning of the 3rd quarter of the next home game so the hypocrite anti-Griz "Griz fans" who prefer to drink beer than watch football could bid on the beer. Then the proceeds of said auction could be used to partially reimburse the players for their bail bond expenses.

Trespassing, theft (apparently not charged for some reason), not my kind of Griz player. After a loss wanting to be out at that time of night needing a designated driver is also a sign to me they don't want to give 100% to the team. Drinking alcohol to that point is not good for optimal athletic performance but then again maybe I would be more willing to put off the partying until after the season than them....I know alcohol consumption is legal for their age and have zero problem with it in moderation OUT OF SEASON. But when so much is at stake the next few weeks it was damn selfish. Let's say a one game suspension.....let's say Lebsock starts. Now there is a player who gave a career of hardwork and staying out of jail to get two starts...only because two others got arrested bringing bad Griz behavior to the front page.

Ursus1, you wanted to “send the shitheads packing” before even knowing any facts about this case. Do you think that was reasonable?

Yeah, that was a pretty shitty comment.

 

[EverettGriz]

She has hallowed shoes to fill, golden footsteps to follow, a platinum standard to uphold . . .

Thanks 75, I had forgotten. :thumb:

And possibly, a prized Pulitzer to pursue . . .

Hmm

MsMaroon replies to "her" own post and thanks "75."

Did you forget to switch names, 75?

Are you daft? I added to my post, giving 75 credit for the reminder about the Pulitzer. Do you read or just start typing? Have another straw to grasp.

Oh yes, NWF is daft! That's the only verifiable fact in this entire thread.

 

[UMGriz75]

Here is the deal though Statler, thanks to the local media the MPD isn't allowed to "let things slide" when it comes to U of M football players. Similar to Gamboa. Many officers in many jurisdictions would likely spend some time getting everyone's side of the story and quite possibly send everyone home and tell them to stay home.

That's not an option here. Imagine the headlines if ord leaked out an officer let a football player off after they committed ANY kind of crime. The officers name would be drug through the mud along with everyone else involved.

It is an overt discrimination. The same theory used to apply to Blacks in the South; there were two sets of rules for applying the laws.

This defines a problem that UM has created for itself; first in Eggstrom cooperating, even encouraging, in the belief that UM was "Rape Nation," and discouraging women from applying to UM. Then, over-reacting and creating an environment hostile to young men, esp student-athletes.

So, when you have created an illusion that young women are at risk, and participated in the process that puts young men at risk of kangaroo courts, overly aggressive police, and trumped up charges, any wonder why young men and young women are choosing NOT to make UM their university of choice?

This is what happens when gutless administrators, trying to placate every social justice command, eventually make a University a hostile environment for all students either by perception or by design.

 

[EverettGriz]

Did Reep go inside the structure? She must have to get a charge right? :?:

Yes she did.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Why don't you anti-Griz "Griz fans" who wanted to kick these players off the team without even knowing what happened that night tell us how you feel about this outcome?

By the way I think the beer in question (if it can be located) should be auctioned off at the beginning of the 3rd quarter of the next home game so the hypocrite anti-Griz "Griz fans" who prefer to drink beer than watch football could bid on the beer. Then the proceeds of said auction could be used to partially reimburse the players for their bail bond expenses.

Trespassing, theft (apparently not charged for some reason), not my kind of Griz player. After a loss wanting to be out at that time of night needing a designated driver is also a sign to me they don't want to give 100% to the team. Drinking alcohol to that point is not good for optimal athletic performance but then again maybe I would be more willing to put off the partying until after the season than them....I know alcohol consumption is legal for their age and have zero problem with it in moderation OUT OF SEASON. But when so much is at stake the next few weeks it was damn selfish. Let's say a one game suspension.....let's say Lebsock starts. Now there is a player who gave a career of hardwork and staying out of jail to get two starts...only because two others got arrested bringing bad Griz behavior to the front page.

Ursus1, you wanted to “send the shitheads packing” before even knowing any facts about this case. Do you think that was reasonable?

Yeah, that was a pretty shitty comment.

And now has switched to "those bastards had the audacity to drink beer during the season (despite being "of age") and the nerve to call somebody to come pick them up....screw 'em all!

 

[UMGriz75]

Did Reep go inside the structure? She must have to get a charge right? :?:

Yes she did.

Without signs, and under the "circumstances," it would be impossible on the facts of this case to prove a "criminal" or "malicious" intent. In fact, it would be ridiculous.

 

[EverettGriz]

The charges are completely appropriate (although someone/all of them is/are fortunate not to be charged with theft for the beer).

I'm guessing the fact that no discipline has been announced yet and that Stitt is still considering whether they return this year means Stitt probably will not just use the COO rule of one game. My guess is likely they all miss ISU and EWU and may be back for the msu game depending on how they conduct themselves over the next few weeks.

I've heard that all 3 may have had to make personal apologies to Kent and Engstrom. Probably a very good first step.

 

[EverettGriz]

Did Reep go inside the structure? She must have to get a charge right? :?:

Yes she did.

Without signs, and under the "circumstances," it would be impossible on the facts of this case to prove a "criminal" or "malicious" intent. In fact, it would be ridiculous.

Did she trespass on private property?

Look, I feel terrible for the girl. But she knowingly entered someone's private property. That's a crime. I probably wouldn't charge her, but her little angelic crown is lying on the floor of someone else's property.

 

[NDSUSR]

Did Reep go inside the structure? She must have to get a charge right? :?:

Yes she did.

Without signs, and under the "circumstances," it would be impossible on the facts of this case to prove a "criminal" or "malicious" intent. In fact, it would be ridiculous.

Did she trespass on private property?

Look, I feel terrible for the girl. But she knowingly entered someone's private property. That's a crime. I probably wouldn't charge her, but her little angelic crown is lying on the floor of someone else's property.

Yeah I think the civil suit is just her daddy posturing. Lawyers like threatining to sue more than actually doing it.

 

[UMGriz75]

By the way I don’t think it is realistic to expect players not to drink beer during the football season, especially when so many Griz fans would rather drink booze during the actual football game then watch the game (i.e., those that leave games at halftime to drink).

You might want to consider becoming a fan of Liberty University rather than UM. Your holier than thou perspective would fit in better there.

Wow, these guys wanted to play football, not enter a monastery. It used to be that you shouldn't have sex either before big games, either.

I've been a coach for over 30 years, and there is a "work hard play hard" ethic out there. Some would say it is inappropriate for young males between the ages of 18 and 24 to be held to impossible standards by others to whom the standards are entirely artificial since they don't live them themselves.

It is a nice delusion that the Puritan Ethic should apply to student athletes. Perfectly applied, it demands, frankly, an imperfection in social skills and requires an imperfection in student life and the natural process of "growing up."

In a better, more humane time, and a far more rational time, this would have been a conversation between a police officer, the students, and the owner. The issues would have been resolved then and there because of the only relevant facts; no harm was done, no harm was meant to be done, young people did something stupid and the "criminal" intent part of this was missing altogether.

 

[NDSUSR]

No harm was done except the terror the family experienced...
Maybe they should sue the players for mental anguish?

See how opinions work?

 

[UMGriz75]

No harm was done except the terror the family experienced...
Maybe they should sue the players for mental anguish?

See how opinions work?

There is an "intentional infliction of emotional distress," but it has to be "intentional." Like most "crimes," you have to know you are doing it. The owner did not have his kids up and staring out the window of their home, locked doors, and staring into an adjacent structure under construction at 2:30 in the morning unless he just wanted to get his kids riled up. By his own description of the students walking around and talking, they had NO IDEA that there was a family there, and watching, including little kids at 2:30 am. (which I doubt).

Is there any evidence of criminal intent to threaten that family or make them feel terror? NONE whatsoever by the owner's own words. Not saying they weren't entitled to feel threatened, but they were, after all, in a separate presumably locked structure, and the students made no threats to them, indicating in every way they had no idea they were there.

You can be afraid of me. That doesn't mean I have threatened you or that your fear is rational.

See how "opinions" work?

 

[AZGrizFan]

In all seriousness, someone should do a little research on any connection between Missoula police officers and the local bail bondsmen.....dudes just got fucking rich off some college kids for no reason, except apparent cop exuberance and overcharging.

 

[EverettGriz]

75, in general I agree with your post above. But I think a person could certainly make a reasonable argument with this section:

[/ no harm was done, no harm was meant to be done, young people did something stupid and the "criminal" intent part of this was missing altogether.quote]

I would argue criminal intent was CERTAINLY there. They knew they were illegally entering a private residence (whether they knew/believed it be unoccupied or not), and they certainly knew that taking someone else's beer was criminal. These were not unconscious decisions. They were made willingly, and clearly with the knowledge that the activities were not within the law.

Certainly no felony, but also not something to be swept away with a, "Now, boys...." conversation.

 

[NDSUSR]

They plead guilty to criminal trespass right? Intent has no bearing on the civil liability once convicted.
A trespass gives the aggrieved party the right to bring a civil lawsuit and collect damages as compensation for the interference and for any harm suffered.

Thats Montana law.


See how facts work?

 

[GoldenEagle]

By the way I don’t think it is realistic to expect players not to drink beer during the football season, especially when so many Griz fans would rather drink booze during the actual football game then watch the game (i.e., those that leave games at halftime to drink).

You might want to consider becoming a fan of Liberty University rather than UM. Your holier than thou perspective would fit in better there.

Wow, these guys wanted to play football, not enter a monastery. It used to be that you shouldn't have sex either before big games, either.

I've been a coach for over 30 years, and there is a "work hard play hard" ethic out there. Some would say it is inappropriate for young males between the ages of 18 and 24 to be held to impossible standards by others to whom the standards are entirely artificial since they don't live them themselves.

It is a nice delusion that the Puritan Ethic should apply to student athletes. Perfectly applied, it demands, frankly, an imperfection in social skills and requires an imperfection in student life and the natural process of "growing up."

In a better, more humane time, and a far more rational time, this would have been a conversation between a police officer, the students, and the owner. The issues would have been resolved then and there because of the only relevant facts; no harm was done, no harm was meant to be done, young people did something stupid and the "criminal" intent part of this was missing altogether.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

UMGriz75, you would have wet your shorts if you saw these guys in your home. Your "legalize" speak would have meant nothing if you experienced what that family did.