3 Griz Arrested

[UMGriz75]

People can make up their own minds about what you and PR have posted in this thread. They can also make up their minds about what I have posted - no doubt some will disagree. I have thick skin. I have no agenda...just a fan who wants the program to thrive again.

This thread had gone to seven pages of condemnation and vitriol before there was even a news article describing what had happened. It was a "felony" and they should be kicked out of school. Alcohol ws blamed. Another suggested drug use. It was a "smear" on the entire community. They were "criminals."

Stitt needs to tell these guys to clean out their lockers when they get out of jail. Selfish personalities like these are toxic to this team, athletic department, university, and state. It's just so stupid and a waste of lives and scholarships.

They have put themselves above their teammates and shown themselves to be selfish.

I don't think you would be held on a $50,000 bond without doing something.

Haslam had them convicted:

"A felony is a felony and there's no gray area at all," Haslam said. "It's disappointing. It's really disappointing and it just doesn't reflect the entire team."

Ask the young kids in the house they willfully entered, who were severely traumatized, how they feel about Grizzly football.

Even if these players are found not guilty of the accused crimes, I still dismiss them from the team on merit alone. Being out at this time of the morning/late night doing those kind of activities shows your focus is not on football or your school. The best thing that can happen is to be given reason to reevaluate your life, and being kicked off the team surely should help with that!!!

This is an opportunity for Stitt to make a big statement to his team and community. He needs to make the statement loud, and let these guys go!!!

I want to see swift, decisive and harsh consequences,

I have no idea what "the real story" is, but I don't believe you get a 50 grand bond for Halloween pranks and just partying. These guys clearly did something pretty serious and I feel confident they'll be punished accordingly, by the law, the football program and university. My guess would be we won't see these guys play another down for the Griz, ever.

Breaking into an occupied home to burglarize or vandalize or whatever they had in mind and scaring the shit out of a family in the middle of the night, by 5 large adult men who were probably loaded...yeah that's kind of serious.

Boot em I say no need to hear their side of the story.

They got arrested for breaking into a house!! Arrested... There is no justification for it! None.. So if they were drunk that makes it okay?

There has to be a reason they'd go through so much effort to get into this place.

Unf&@(#ing believable. Kick them off the team.

Booze fueled stupidity gives new meaning to FCOA.......full cost of alcohol

Of course, people can make up their own minds about fair weather fans that want to impose on young athletes their own rigorous standards that likely none of them have ever met. Makes 'em feel virtuous if they can condemn someone else.

Of course, just to add an element of irony to the passionate lynching is the fact that alcohol has not been mentioned in any news source. Like many elements on this thread, the charge is fabricated.

 

[griznhel]

It would appear that common sense is nary as "common" as it used to or should be, and compassion just another casualty of politically correct.

 

[Ursus1]

Stitt is free to do what he wants to do, above the athletic code. However, a coach ought to be careful about doing something that is perceived to be unfair, or grossly unfair, by players, parents, recruits, etc. A coach has to consider the importance of supporting and believing in players, especially good kids and good students. Getting rid of bad apples is different. While making the statement that some of you want the coach to make, for what may turn out to be a very minor mistake by the players (i.e. impulsively walking in to what they believed to be an unoccupied construction site), could come back to haunt the program in recruiting. If I thought a coach or program was going too far in this regard (and not treating players fairly), I would factor that into account, or so advise my kids and relatives if they were being recruited. Kids are going to continue to make mistakes. Some will be big and some will be small. They will not all be the same. In my view, the coach and the program need to sort through each one and make the appropriate decision based on their rules/codes and the particular mistake/conduct.

I suspect we will learn a lot about Coach Stitt. The man has every reason to be frustrated beyond frustrated. I can't imagine what must have gone through his head when he got the phone call. How he reacts will certainly pretense his tenure here.

From what I have seen from some of his decisions (Gamboa etc.) he will do what ever the code of conduct states...no more no less. Safe way for sure (can claim "out of his hands" and wont be the bad guy ) .....Will it be the best way? That depends on perspective...... if you are the actual player, other players (both ones that will likely learn a lesson one way or another about how he deals with team members that do stupid behaviors and cast a bad light on the Griz name....as in it is no big deal, or not going to happen here so better toe the line), sugarcoaters, win at all cost fans, alumni who want the program to send a message what will or will not fly with this program. Two are starting seniors.....that has a double edge to it....team will suffer if they don't play, but then again their backups who have not embarrassed the program might get their chance to be rewarded for good behavior. Hopefully he makes a decision that he can live with and feel is best for the program long term, because it is a lose/lose spot he is in...and he is there because of stupid decisions of others. Definitely not a good sign of the things to come for the rest of the season when two starters are out screwing around at that time of night after getting butts kicked (and we really don't know if others were elsewhere doing similar or worse things). Two seniors...pathetic leadership that's for sure. I now see the team going 1-2 (at best) with that kind of attitude among starters and a, "injured" guy who gets chosen to be interviewed on the Stitt show.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Ummm...go back a few pages. Look for the words attractive nuisance, or look for the posts discussing what might have happened if players fell through the floor, or codes about marking construction sites, or posts stating the kids were asleep therefore not traumatized, or the post doubting the homeowner heard criminal intent. The posts are there. Others can have a different conclusion about what they mean. They aren't ambiguous to me. Just like the actions of the players are not ambiguous.

This is classic, an example of taking a factual description and twisting it into an agenda.

I used the words "attractive nuisance" because I know what they mean on an unmarked construction site. I'm one of those people that understand the law even if I don't agree with it, unlike the morons who post here in their all knowing fashion, and then further misrepresent what was said, because what was actually posted wasn't good enough. I dislike fabrication to obtain a talking point. Find the post about "codes marking construction sites." Find the post about players "falling through the floor." Find the post about "the kids being asleep." I didn't write them. I don't remember anyone else writing them. It's simply false.

Did you know that deceit is "against the law?" How should you be punished?

This is precisely what I mean by a bunch of pious hypocrites piling onto a Halloween night visit to a construction site. They need to lie to sustain some dam fool narrative that they carry around like a rotten potato, because no slander is good enough if a fb player is involved. Get a life.

I didn't make those things up...you can find them in this thread. You did write the following:

"Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted."

The other things are in this thread as well...

Well, that statement is a FAR cry from implying that the homeowners were at fault. As in, Grand Canyon wide far cry.

 

[AZGrizFan]

From what I have seen from some of his decisions (Gamboa etc.) he will do what ever the code of conduct states...no more no less. Safe way for sure (can claim "out of his hands" and wont be the bad guy ) .....Will it be the best way? That depends on perspective...... if you are the actual player, other players (both ones that will likely learn a lesson one way or another about how he deals with team members that do stupid behaviors and cast a bad light on the Griz name....as in it is no big deal, or not going to happen here so better toe the line), sugarcoaters, win at all cost fans, alumni who want the program to send a message what will or will not fly with this program. Two are starting seniors.....that has a double edge to it....team will suffer if they don't play, but then again their backups who have not embarrassed the program might get their chance to be rewarded for good behavior. Hopefully he makes a decision that he can live with and feel is best for the program long term, because it is a lose/lose spot he is in...and he is there because of stupid decisions of others. Definitely not a good sign of the things to come for the rest of the season when two starters are out screwing around at that time of night after getting butts kicked (and we really don't know if others were elsewhere doing similar or worse things). Two seniors...pathetic leadership that's for sure. I now see the team going 1-2 (at best) with that kind of attitude among starters and a, "injured" guy who gets chosen to be interviewed on the Stitt show.

Aw, Ursus, and you had SUCH a good post going RIIIIIIIGHT up until that assinine statement.

Would you feel better if they were out doing this after a win? Would you feel better about Counts being there if he hadn't been injured? Or on Stitt's show?

And then to ASSume that others might be out there doing WORSE things? Without ANY proof or indication of said accusation?

Really?

 

[first11]

It will be interesting to see what Stitt does. Canning a guy like KVA is no small thing..

I don't think it is...KVA (if is guilty as charged) has not one to blame but himself for throwing it all away. Kid was going to be 1st team all Big Sky, an All American, and maybe had a shot to play on Sundays. I feel sorry for his parents and family.

KVA too big to sit

 

[84GRIZ]

It is all daylight savings time's fault. Between the change in time zones coming back and DST adjustment they probably had no idea what time it was on Saturday night / Sunday morning.

 

[Grisly Fan]

It would appear that common sense is nary as "common" as it used to or should be, and compassion just another casualty of politically correct.

Precisely. People (a significant number of eGriz posters) seem to forget this whole thing is not about them in any shape or form. They confuse the fact that their ego has become entwined in the actions of a bunch of late teens and early twenties young men who don't have the benefit of hindsight. The fact is that simple mistakes snowball sometimes and thankfully this mistake didn't end up somewhere tragic (e.g. Kaarma). The team should inflict the typical team penalties for minor transgressions and life needs to go on.

 

[UMGriz75]

The fact is that simple mistakes snowball sometimes and thankfully this mistake didn't end up somewhere tragic (e.g. Kaarma). The team should inflict the typical team penalties for minor transgressions and life needs to go on.

Exactly. This is a pretty standard Halloween stupid thing to do; "criminal intent" is almost assuredly not to be found here, there is nothing in the record yet that any part of this was for any malicious purpose. The facts remain that no one was hurt, no one was intended to be hurt, nothing was stolen and nothing was damaged. The fact is they were standing where they shouldn't have been standing and that's a trespass, but with the facts available, that's all that it is.

As I have mentioned, on a first offense, this is almost always a deferred imposition of sentence and eventual dismissal.

In dealing with young people, athletes or otherwise, in the absence of malicious intent, a light hand is almost always the best course. Trying to wreck a life merely reflects the malice of those who believe that should be the fate of young people making dumb mistakes.

 

[SoldierGriz]

The fact is that simple mistakes snowball sometimes and thankfully this mistake didn't end up somewhere tragic (e.g. Kaarma). The team should inflict the typical team penalties for minor transgressions and life needs to go on.

Exactly. This is a pretty standard Halloween stupid thing to do; "criminal intent" is almost assuredly not to be found here, there is nothing in the record yet that any part of this was for any malicious purpose. The facts remain that no one was hurt, no one was intended to be hurt, nothing was stolen and nothing was damaged. The fact is they were standing where they shouldn't have been standing and that's a trespass, but with the facts available, that's all that it is.

As I have mentioned, on a first offense, this is almost always a deferred imposition of sentence and eventual dismissal.

In dealing with young people, athletes or otherwise, in the absence of malicious intent, a light hand is almost always the best course. Trying to wreck a life merely reflects the malice of those who believe that should be the fate of young people making dumb mistakes.

The best post you've made in the thread. Do you think this dumb mistake should have football-related consequences?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Ummm...go back a few pages. Look for the words attractive nuisance, or look for the posts discussing what might have happened if players fell through the floor, or codes about marking construction sites, or posts stating the kids were asleep therefore not traumatized, or the post doubting the homeowner heard criminal intent. The posts are there. Others can have a different conclusion about what they mean. They aren't ambiguous to me. Just like the actions of the players are not ambiguous.

This is classic, an example of taking a factual description and twisting it into an agenda.

I used the words "attractive nuisance" because I know what they mean on an unmarked construction site. I'm one of those people that understand the law even if I don't agree with it, unlike the morons who post here in their all knowing fashion, and then further misrepresent what was said, because what was actually posted wasn't good enough. I dislike fabrication to obtain a talking point. Find the post about "codes marking construction sites." Find the post about players "falling through the floor." Find the post about "the kids being asleep." I didn't write them. I don't remember anyone else writing them. It's simply false.

Did you know that deceit is "against the law?" How should you be punished?

This is precisely what I mean by a bunch of pious hypocrites piling onto a Halloween night visit to a construction site. They need to lie to sustain some dam fool narrative that they carry around like a rotten potato, because no slander is good enough if a fb player is involved. Get a life.

I didn't make those things up...you can find them in this thread. You did write the following:

"Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted."

The other things are in this thread as well...

Well, that statement is a FAR cry from implying that the homeowners were at fault. As in, Grand Canyon wide far cry.

maybe canyon lake...but not grand canyon... :lol:

 

[Ursus1]

From what I have seen from some of his decisions (Gamboa etc.) he will do what ever the code of conduct states...no more no less. Safe way for sure (can claim "out of his hands" and wont be the bad guy ) .....Will it be the best way? That depends on perspective...... if you are the actual player, other players (both ones that will likely learn a lesson one way or another about how he deals with team members that do stupid behaviors and cast a bad light on the Griz name....as in it is no big deal, or not going to happen here so better toe the line), sugarcoaters, win at all cost fans, alumni who want the program to send a message what will or will not fly with this program. Two are starting seniors.....that has a double edge to it....team will suffer if they don't play, but then again their backups who have not embarrassed the program might get their chance to be rewarded for good behavior. Hopefully he makes a decision that he can live with and feel is best for the program long term, because it is a lose/lose spot he is in...and he is there because of stupid decisions of others. Definitely not a good sign of the things to come for the rest of the season when two starters are out screwing around at that time of night after getting butts kicked (and we really don't know if others were elsewhere doing similar or worse things). Two seniors...pathetic leadership that's for sure. I now see the team going 1-2 (at best) with that kind of attitude among starters and a, "injured" guy who gets chosen to be interviewed on the Stitt show.

Aw, Ursus, and you had SUCH a good post going RIIIIIIIGHT up until that assinine statement.

Would you feel better if they were out doing this after a win? Would you feel better about Counts being there if he hadn't been injured? Or on Stitt's show?

And then to ASSume that others might be out there doing WORSE things? Without ANY proof or indication of said accusation?

Really?

My point was...after a loss like that I would expect them to be wanting to go to bed and not be out messing around. Seems that soon after a loss like that they might be a little more pissed off and not in the mood to go play around. I wouldn't have felt better if Counts was there if not injured....I never said that.....the idea that he is "too injured" to play yet is out screwing around...climbing ladders etc. . Not sure that is the best recipe for rehabbing injuries. I am sure the trainers didn't say....you can't play in the game , but feel free to run around at night and go climb ladders...don't worry about resting the injury and getting good sleep to help the healing process that is all just a myth, we really think running around on injuries at all hours is the best plan. I also did not assume (you assumed that I assumed) others were out and about..... just stating the fact we really don't know what others were doing...I didn't assume they were, or accuse them of, just that if two starters are so lackadaisical about a loss that others might also be. The reason I mention Counts on the TV show.....that should be a spot to highlight leaders so he must have had some "leadership" despite not being a starter at the time thus the three of them are all in a leadership position whether starting that game or not.

 

[SoldierGriz]

If charges are reduced from felony burglary to misdemeanor trespassing, does Stitt have more discretion for disciplinary actions? I think felonies are pretty straight forward.

Do Griz players sign a personal code of conduct? Trying to figure our where the lines are on this thing?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

If charges are reduced from felony burglary to misdemeanor trespassing, does Stitt have more discretion for disciplinary actions? I think felonies are pretty straight forward.

DING....DING....DING

Do Griz players sign a personal code of conduct? Trying to figure our where the lines are on this thing?

Yes, yes they do.

 

[getalife99]

people should really wait for the facts to come out about this situation before they speak

 

[go96griz]

People can make up their own minds about what you and PR have posted in this thread. They can also make up their minds about what I have posted - no doubt some will disagree. I have thick skin. I have no agenda...just a fan who wants the program to thrive again.

This thread had gone to seven pages of condemnation and vitriol before there was even a news article describing what had happened. It was a "felony" and they should be kicked out of school. Alcohol ws blamed. Another suggested drug use. It was a "smear" on the entire community. They were "criminals."

Stitt needs to tell these guys to clean out their lockers when they get out of jail. Selfish personalities like these are toxic to this team, athletic department, university, and state. It's just so stupid and a waste of lives and scholarships.

They have put themselves above their teammates and shown themselves to be selfish.

I don't think you would be held on a $50,000 bond without doing something.

Haslam had them convicted:

"A felony is a felony and there's no gray area at all," Haslam said. "It's disappointing. It's really disappointing and it just doesn't reflect the entire team."

Ask the young kids in the house they willfully entered, who were severely traumatized, how they feel about Grizzly football.

Even if these players are found not guilty of the accused crimes, I still dismiss them from the team on merit alone. Being out at this time of the morning/late night doing those kind of activities shows your focus is not on football or your school. The best thing that can happen is to be given reason to reevaluate your life, and being kicked off the team surely should help with that!!!

This is an opportunity for Stitt to make a big statement to his team and community. He needs to make the statement loud, and let these guys go!!!

I want to see swift, decisive and harsh consequences,

I have no idea what "the real story" is, but I don't believe you get a 50 grand bond for Halloween pranks and just partying. These guys clearly did something pretty serious and I feel confident they'll be punished accordingly, by the law, the football program and university. My guess would be we won't see these guys play another down for the Griz, ever.

Breaking into an occupied home to burglarize or vandalize or whatever they had in mind and scaring the shit out of a family in the middle of the night, by 5 large adult men who were probably loaded...yeah that's kind of serious.

Boot em I say no need to hear their side of the story.

They got arrested for breaking into a house!! Arrested... There is no justification for it! None.. So if they were drunk that makes it okay?

There has to be a reason they'd go through so much effort to get into this place.

Unf&@(#ing believable. Kick them off the team.

Booze fueled stupidity gives new meaning to FCOA.......full cost of alcohol

Of course, people can make up their own minds about fair weather fans that want to impose on young athletes their own rigorous standards that likely none of them have ever met. Makes 'em feel virtuous if they can condemn someone else.

Of course, just to add an element of irony to the passionate lynching is the fact that alcohol has not been mentioned in any news source. Like many elements on this thread, the charge is fabricated.

UMGriz75, thanks for posting this. I am very disappointed in the players for this stupid action, but I can't believe the witch hunt mentality over this by what I previously considered to be good "common sense" posters on here. Absolutely over the top charges on these players and over the top responses by posters with little or no idea of what really went down. Way too quick to rush judgment.

 

[billingsgriz]

They were out on Halloween, our first or second most popular unofficial Holiday, vying with Valentine's Day for # 1, had an extra hour to kill with the fall back to Daylight Savings Time, so I don't blame them for being out and about, though I personally don't believe much good happens after midnight, unless you're alone with your sugar booger !!!

Barring more damaging information, since they didn't steal anything, damage anything, or hurt anyone, charge them with misdemeanor trespassing and if they plead guilty, suspend them a game, a sincere public apology to the family involved, a sincere private apology to their teammates and Coach Stitt and staff, some community service, extra laps, drills, etc., and move on. (If they plead not guilty, suspend them until their cases are resolved, which probably means a de facto suspension for the remainder of the season--the wheels of justice don't move that swiftly, even for a misdemeanor.)

We execute people for murder and mass murder ... sometimes, not for trespassing !!! :thumb:

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Haslem did not "have them convicted" as 75 states. His statement is based on the booking charges...and according to the code of conduct, a felony is a felony and there is not gray area.....

 

[UMGriz75]

Haslem did not "have them convicted" as 75 states. His statement is based on the booking charges...and according to the code of conduct, a felony is a felony and there is not gray area.....

A "felony is a felony" after a charge and a plea or a conviction, and not until then.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Haslem did not "have them convicted" as 75 states. His statement is based on the booking charges...and according to the code of conduct, a felony is a felony and there is not gray area.....

A "felony is a felony" after a charge and a plea or a conviction, and not until then.

So by Haslem stating that according to the student code of conduct, a felony is a felony and there is no gray area, he is convicting them?