3 Griz Arrested

[statler & waldorf]

At least they've been released, "investigation" continuing. Of course, those who posted bond through a bondsman are out $5,000. The players: the five; homeowner; arresting officers; detectives(2?); Pabst. This is not the crime of the century. Read the statements, connect the dots. Where is Clouseau? Bond is to assure they show up for legal proceedings, not extra judicial punishment. The five aren't homeless derelicts with extensive criminal histories and therefore a flight risk, but UM students. Those with funds go home, those without sit in jail. Over charging, jailing, and excessive bond is no more than legalized judicial and law enforcement abuse. As I posted earlier, a Notice to Appear for trespassing should have been written. Investigation could have continued.

 

[tnt]

Again, not saying those were the facts. I think it's important to know more about why they went into the structure.

And that's my point. Knowing more about the circumstances, it's not "plausible" that they had criminal intent. Maybe they did, but it's not like I would expect anyone to leave valuables around an empty room with a giant window opening open to the outside and the open air. Knowing that eliminates the idea that they may have forced a door or a window open because that would, indeed, suggest a different level of intent. Knowing that there was likely no way they knew there was a family in the actual house also offers the perspective that they did not do this to scare the crap out of a family.

So, they had entered an area open to the outside with no likely intent except to explore or get out of the rain. If true, that does not rise to the level of a felony, burglary, but is trespass, a misdemeanor. Like all "laws" circumstances are everything, and this one just does not ring true for "criminal intent" and the homeowner himself appears willing to acknowledge that could be the case.

This is what I think too, based on what we know at this point.

I suspect that is the truth of the matter. That and its just plausible they were wandering around just as frustrated with what happen in Portland ass anyone else, likely more so and they could look Stitt square in the eye and honestly say "I don't know what the hell I was thinking" I suspect they cared too much rather than too little. That doesn't mean there won't be (and shouldn't be) consequences...................

 

[PlayerRep]

They got their asses kicked in a monsoon in Portland, and their bright idea of senior leaders is to get back to Missoula, go out on Halloween until 2:30am, walk into a construction project on private property, and yet some of you clowns still defend them.

Best comment in the last 17 pages.

Some people are "defending" them from felony charges. Most people are just discussing the situation. This is the internet, after all. Others, like yourself, are just telling lies and distorting.

 

[marceagfan5]

I haven't read the articles or most of this thread, but this is crazy to have happened after a road game.

Maybe someone can answer this, but where were they coming from? They were obviously walking and apparently they needed to get out of the rain so bad they couldn't go back to the house they came from so they entered a home under construction where they did not know the owner, climbed a ladder, and went into a 2nd floor window at 2:30 in the morning? All that just to get out of the rain? Really?

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, not saying those were the facts. I think it's important to know more about why they went into the structure.

And that's my point. Knowing more about the circumstances, it's not "plausible" that they had criminal intent. Maybe they did, but it's not like I would expect anyone to leave valuables around an empty room with a giant window opening open to the outside and the open air. Knowing that eliminates the idea that they may have forced a door or a window open because that would, indeed, suggest a different level of intent. Knowing that there was likely no way they knew there was a family in the actual house also offers the perspective that they did not do this to scare the crap out of a family.

So, they had entered an area open to the outside with no likely intent except to explore or get out of the rain. If true, that does not rise to the level of a felony, burglary, but is trespass, a misdemeanor. Like all "laws" circumstances are everything, and this one just does not ring true for "criminal intent" and the homeowner himself appears willing to acknowledge that could be the case.

This is what I think too, based on what we know at this point.

I suspect that is the truth of the matter. That and its just plausible they were wandering around just as frustrated with what happen in Portland ass anyone else, likely more so and they could look Stitt square in the eye and honestly say "I don't know what the hell I was thinking" I suspect they cared too much rather than too little. That doesn't mean there won't be (and shouldn't be) consequences...................

I knew that you and I would agree on something eventually. Ha.

 

[EverettGriz]

I haven't read the articles or most of this thread, but this is crazy to have happened after a road game.

Maybe someone can answer this, but where were they coming from? They were obviously walking and apparently they needed to get out of the rain so bad they couldn't go back to the house they came from so they entered a home under construction where they did not know the owner, climbed a ladder, and went into a 2nd floor window at 2:30 in the morning? All that just to get out of the rain? Really?

Yeah, uhh, no sane person believes that's what occurred.

 

[UMGriz75]

Well, they were waiting for their ride to show up, suggesting that they were not out "prowling" for trouble, but in fact were trying to go home. The large window opening is, in fact, right above the street. The view was great for seeing when their "ride" showed up, if that's what they were doing.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Sounds more like the Mayors house deal

that was already brought up by PR, but rejected since those players had their schollys yanked and suspended from playing for 1 year

But you can continue down that line of thought if you want :thumb:

tough to agree with a Cat fan...but you are correct, similar level of offense and MSU handled it firmly. Hope UM does the same or Griz football will get even more crap .....

I agree; if things stay as they are, I'd have no issues with pulling their scholarships.

The one year suspension from playing is a joke, though. Those msu morons were all going to RS. A real statement would have been to suspend them from all team activities.

Its doubtful they would have played anyway this is true, but these were kids right out of HS, on a Fr orientation trip, had not even ever attended class or a single FB practice yet, on the other hand your guys (speaking of morons) have been in the program several years and know (or should have known) better.

Also one of the kids at the orientation was the mayors grandson, they had been at the house earlier in the day with him, it doesn't excuse it and the were still rightfully punished but you can see how HS kids might view that as a connection to that house.

 

[EverettGriz]

Well, they were waiting for their ride to show up, suggesting that they were not out "prowling" for trouble, but in fact were trying to go home.

Not that matters one iota to me, but did they call the girl before or after illegally entering someone else's property?

 

[grizindabox]

Well, they were waiting for their ride to show up, suggesting that they were not out "prowling" for trouble, but in fact were trying to go home.

maybe they got to wet to continue prowling.... :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

I haven't read the articles or most of this thread, but this is crazy to have happened after a road game.

Maybe someone can answer this, but where were they coming from? They were obviously walking and apparently they needed to get out of the rain so bad they couldn't go back to the house they came from so they entered a home under construction where they did not know the owner, climbed a ladder, and went into a 2nd floor window at 2:30 in the morning? All that just to get out of the rain? Really?

Since they called a friend for a ride, it looks like they were out walking. Perhaps coming from a party? It probably wasn't really a ladder, more of a makeshift ladder that was laid at a low angle for easier access to the room above the garage. Probably wasn't hard to access. Don't know what they were doing? What do you think they were doing? Since it was clear that construction was going on, and the room was not completed, and there was a big open window area, and it was steps from the sidewalk, do you think they were going there to attack someone or steal something? Getting out of the rain seems like a better explanation than anything else I can think of. But like you, I am also curious.

 

[nzone]

As this drags on the biggest gripe seems to hinge on the fact these guys did something that tarnishes the University. This thing seems blown way out of proportion. We'll see soon enough I guess. Can anyone spell "goat rope." :lol:

 

[marceagfan5]

I haven't read the articles or most of this thread, but this is crazy to have happened after a road game.

Maybe someone can answer this, but where were they coming from? They were obviously walking and apparently they needed to get out of the rain so bad they couldn't go back to the house they came from so they entered a home under construction where they did not know the owner, climbed a ladder, and went into a 2nd floor window at 2:30 in the morning? All that just to get out of the rain? Really?

Since they called a friend for a ride, it looks like they were out walking. Perhaps coming from a party? It probably wasn't really a ladder, more of a makeshift ladder that was laid at a low angle for easier access to the room above the garage. Probably wasn't hard to access. Don't know what they were doing? What do you think they were doing? Since it was clear that construction was going on, and the room was not completed, and there was a big open window area, and it was steps from the sidewalk, do you think they were going there to attack someone or steal something? Getting out of the rain seems like a better explanation than anything else I can think of. But like you, I am also curious.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything until all the info comes out, that facts just don't bode well for the players. No one wants to see this happen to anyone so I hope its as minor as it can be.

The facts right now can be spun any way you want until there is further info, hell, one could argue the car coming to get them was the get away car...

 

[first11]

They got their asses kicked in a monsoon in Portland, and their bright idea of senior leaders is to get back to Missoula, go out on Halloween until 2:30am, walk into a construction project on private property, and yet some of you clowns still defend them.

Best comment in the last 17 pages.

Yup...and the best and brightest legal minds on egriz continue to split hairs trying to explain the inexplicable
So when does spring ball begin?

 

[PlayerRep]

I haven't read the articles or most of this thread, but this is crazy to have happened after a road game.

Maybe someone can answer this, but where were they coming from? They were obviously walking and apparently they needed to get out of the rain so bad they couldn't go back to the house they came from so they entered a home under construction where they did not know the owner, climbed a ladder, and went into a 2nd floor window at 2:30 in the morning? All that just to get out of the rain? Really?

Since they called a friend for a ride, it looks like they were out walking. Perhaps coming from a party? It probably wasn't really a ladder, more of a makeshift ladder that was laid at a low angle for easier access to the room above the garage. Probably wasn't hard to access. Don't know what they were doing? What do you think they were doing? Since it was clear that construction was going on, and the room was not completed, and there was a big open window area, and it was steps from the sidewalk, do you think they were going there to attack someone or steal something? Getting out of the rain seems like a better explanation than anything else I can think of. But like you, I am also curious.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything until all the info comes out, that facts just don't bode well for the players. No one wants to see this happen to anyone so I hope its as minor as it can be.

The facts right now can be spun any way you want until there is further info, hell, one could argue the car coming to get them was the get away car...

Read the Kaimin article, and perhaps you shouldn't post further until you do. Also, look at the statement of the county attorney today, who said there wasn't enough evidence at that point to charge them with a felony. Compared to felony headlines, I think the facts, as known, are starting to go in the players' direction. Of course, we'll have to wait for all of the facts.

 

[PlayerRep]

They got their asses kicked in a monsoon in Portland, and their bright idea of senior leaders is to get back to Missoula, go out on Halloween until 2:30am, walk into a construction project on private property, and yet some of you clowns still defend them.

Best comment in the last 17 pages.

Yup...and the best and brightest legal minds on egriz continue to split hairs trying to explain the inexplicable
So when does spring ball begin?

Why don't you tell us what the players were doing, and what they were thinking? I'd like to see your explanation.

 

[Gallatin Griz]

Was there a minkey in the relm? :shock:

 

[EverettGriz]

They got their asses kicked in a monsoon in Portland, and their bright idea of senior leaders is to get back to Missoula, go out on Halloween until 2:30am, walk into a construction project on private property, and yet some of you clowns still defend them.

Best comment in the last 17 pages.

Yup...and the best and brightest legal minds on egriz continue to split hairs trying to explain the inexplicable
So when does spring ball begin?

Why don't you tell us what the players were doing, and what they were thinking? I'd like to see your explanation.

Since I don't know (and neither do you), I'll I can give is my best guess: They were drunk off their asses, walking around doing nothing, and saw an opportunity "to raise some hell". My guess is that sober they wouldn't have made the same decision. But make it they did. And they illegally entered someone's property.

They could have stood under the eaves of the house to get out of the rain and await their ride. That's what 99.99% of people would do. Matter of fact, I got absolutely DRENCHED walking back to my hotel in Portland Saturday. Oddly, not once did I consider illegally entering someone's home, apartment or place of business to stay dry.

 

[Raider]

They got their asses kicked in a monsoon in Portland, and their bright idea of senior leaders is to get back to Missoula, go out on Halloween until 2:30am, walk into a construction project on private property, and yet some of you clowns still defend them.

Best comment in the last 17 pages.

Yup...and the best and brightest legal minds on egriz continue to split hairs trying to explain the inexplicable
So when does spring ball begin?

Why don't you tell us what the players were doing, and what they were thinking? I'd like to see your explanation.

Jes-s man. After everything this program has been through, you are still pulling this BS?

You have gone to a new level man. Sad.

 

[Fahque]

So the structures aren't connected, but the family heard somebody "upstairs" walking around?

My understanding is that they are connected but there is no direct access between where they were and the interior of the living space. So I am assuming something that was a separate apartment with its own entrance over a garage connected to the house for example...

The whole house and garage is being renovated. From the outside, it looks to be a major overhaul, and I was surprised to see that someone was still living in it. The garage and upstairs is separated by a walkway from the main house, which is in back. The garage and "upstairs" is about as close to the sidewalk as can be, and the "upstairs" is open to the outside where there is going to be a large window. This is akin to a studio apartment or mother-in-law apartment. It is distinctly separate from the house, except that from the front, you can't even see the "house." From the street, it looks like a stand-alone house, with a garage on the bottom and "house" on top (as many are in Pattee Canyon). Looking at it, no one would guess there was anyone on the premises or anything valuable, since the large window space was obviously completely open to the elements (they put a piece of plywood over it today, which still leaves it mostly open). The window isn't that far off of the sidewalk, you could practically jump into the window opening which really is quite large. There is rough scaffolding there. The structure was, in fact, open to the elements and any stray coyotes, deer, dogs, cats, birds, wombats and college students. Other than standing in a large empty room open to the elements, there could not have been any "criminal" intent except that you can't stand on other people's property without permission or "invitation."

Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted

The garage is not as close to the sidewalk as can be. It is about a car and a half to two car lengths from the sidewalk in a driveway. It's definitely very visible from the sidewalk if they were to be walking down the sidewalk and be curious about going in there but in order to do so they did have to go down the driveway to the ladder.