2023 O-Line

[garizzalies]

futile attempts to put lipstick on the pig

Growls, you’re not fooling anyone.
It’s these stupid sayings that you always use. Dead give-aways. And so pedestrian.
Nobody talks like that. Well, nobody under 80.
Maybe try a thesaurus or something. Better yet, have that young CNA teach you a few slang terms next time she helps you log in.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So UM was 5th in conference and you thinks that qualifies as good?
20,000+ fans and me don't buy our tickets every year expecting to see the Griz being 5th in conference and calling it good coaching.
We were 6th in the Big Sky with a 4-4 conference record. We had 6 STATS All-Americans and not a single one was for their offensive performance.

Every year we excel at Special teams. We have outstanding Linebackers and a strong DB crew.
What we don't have and haven't had is OL quality and consistency like we see in other positions on the Griz.

I thought the OL played their hearts out and improved as the season wore on but to say they were not the #1 weakness of this year's team just doesn't fit with what I and so many others saw.

If we get Chris Walker back then there will be no excuse. And there shouldn't be one after next year too. Saying it is a young inexperienced O-Line just means that Germer hasn't been recruiting that position consistently either under Stitt or under Hauck.

Recruiting and coaching at the level that we should expect is hard. But every other position coach has done it better than Germer.
I am tired of what you think is good. I want great. Year after year. I don't believe that Germer is the man to deliver that.

5th in the big sky, which only got one team into the semi finals, certainly is a whelming result.

Which got 5 teams in playoffs and 2 seeded. Best in FCS.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

5th in the big sky, which only got one team into the semi finals, certainly is a whelming result.

Which got 5 teams in playoffs and 4 seeded. Best in FCS.

Although decent, Sac, MSU & Weber were the only seeded teams from the conference. The other two got to host what is essentially becoming playin games.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Which got 5 teams in playoffs and 4 seeded. Best in FCS.

Although decent, Sac, MSU & Weber were the only seeded teams from the conference. The other two got to host what is essentially becoming playin games.

What was Weber's seed?

 

[Lord Vigo]

Hauck’s inability to recruit/develop an OL that’s better than average has certainly been the most surprising thing to me about his second stint at UM. I guess we will see if this class is the one that gets it right.

The o-line is already good or pretty good. Good size and athletic.

Had 1st and 2d team all- conference players, both of whom are very good.

UM gave up 1.55 sacks per game, 5th in conference and 30th in nation. that's way above average. Behind, NAU, Davis, SS and MSU. Some of those in top 30 were running teams. UM played against some of the top defensive teams in nation.

40th in nation in rushing offense. 4.37 per rush. 6th in conference with 171 per game. About 16th in nation in rushing TD's. Probably top 40 in average per rush. Average per rush same as Weber.

A lineman from 2021 is on an NFL roster. Was identified and developed by current coaches.

6 returning starters. 3 are youngsters. 6 of the 2-deep were frosh and sophs last fall. The line is quite athletic. Is on the verge of DOLA. Had some very good games and some weak ones.

All above average, in my view. Prospects are terrific.

The Griz couldn't run the ball worth a darn against quality competition. Their YPC was behind MSU, SAC, UCD, ID, and WEB.

Their line might be "pretty good" relative to the FCS at large, including everyone that's out there (non-scholarship, not fully funded, etc.). But they aren't relative to real contenders. As a group, they were probably the 5th or 6th best in their own conference.

In various places on this forum you've argued that the OL is very good, the skill positions are very good, and the coaching is very good. And yet the results were mediocre.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Although decent, Sac, MSU & Weber were the only seeded teams from the conference. The other two got to host what is essentially becoming playin games.

What was Weber's seed?

You're correct. There were only two seeds. Forgot about the rancor over Weber not getting a seed and I'm not even as old as you are! Damn it! Used to be a walking, talking encyclopedia but now I can't remember shit!

 

[uofmman1122]

What was Weber's seed?

You're correct. There were only two seeds. Forgot about the rancor over Weber not getting a seed and I'm not even as old as you are! Damn it! Used to be a walking, talking encyclopedia but now I can't remember shit!

Technically not a seed, but the way they got a home game over UND sure made it seem like they had an "unofficial" 9th seed.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

I would give our 2022 O-line a C+ in pass-blocking, but a D- in run-blocking. I think a lot of their inability to run-block is coaching (lack thereof), but some of it is that our O-line does not seem to me able to move, or direct defenders. Too many zone-blocking schemes, too little traps, combos, and pulls. Also, Rosey's offense is inept is designing multiple screen-plays, which feature more complicated blocking assignments for the O-line.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I would give our 2022 O-line a C+ in pass-blocking, but a D- in run-blocking. I think a lot of their inability to run-block is coaching (lack thereof), but some of it is that our O-line does not seem to me able to move, or direct defenders. Too many zone-blocking schemes, too little traps, combos, and pulls. Also, Rosey's offense is inept is designing multiple screen-plays, which feature more complicated blocking assignments for the O-line.

How does a line that can’t block give up so few sacks, rank in the top 40 rushing, and have so many all conference players?

 

[Lord Vigo]

I would give our 2022 O-line a C+ in pass-blocking, but a D- in run-blocking. I think a lot of their inability to run-block is coaching (lack thereof), but some of it is that our O-line does not seem to me able to move, or direct defenders. Too many zone-blocking schemes, too little traps, combos, and pulls. Also, Rosey's offense is inept is designing multiple screen-plays, which feature more complicated blocking assignments for the O-line.

How does a line that can’t block give up so few sacks, rank in the top 40 rushing, and have so many all conference players?

It’s strange to me that you feel being 40th in rushing yards per game and 46th in rushing yards per carry is a strong finish.

Furthermore, I’m not necessarily saying their line couldn’t protect at all, but their lack of sacks given up had a lot to do with getting the ball out. They didn’t attack down the field very often.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The o-line is already good or pretty good. Good size and athletic.

Had 1st and 2d team all- conference players, both of whom are very good.

UM gave up 1.55 sacks per game, 5th in conference and 30th in nation. that's way above average. Behind, NAU, Davis, SS and MSU. Some of those in top 30 were running teams. UM played against some of the top defensive teams in nation.

40th in nation in rushing offense. 4.37 per rush. 6th in conference with 171 per game. About 16th in nation in rushing TD's. Probably top 40 in average per rush. Average per rush same as Weber.

A lineman from 2021 is on an NFL roster. Was identified and developed by current coaches.

6 returning starters. 3 are youngsters. 6 of the 2-deep were frosh and sophs last fall. The line is quite athletic. Is on the verge of DOLA. Had some very good games and some weak ones.

All above average, in my view. Prospects are terrific.

The Griz couldn't run the ball worth a darn against quality competition. Their YPC was behind MSU, SAC, UCD, ID, and WEB.

Their line might be "pretty good" relative to the FCS at large, including everyone that's out there (non-scholarship, not fully funded, etc.). But they aren't relative to real contenders. As a group, they were probably the 5th or 6th best in their own conference.

In various places on this forum you've argued that the OL is very good, the skill positions are very good, and the coaching is very good. And yet the results were mediocre.

UM and Weber averaged 4.4 per carry, I believe.

Non scholarship schools like the Ivies have good o-lines.

The o-line ranked higher in the conference.

Feel free to quote where I said those groups were very good. The resumes were good or pretty good.

You can’t support your narratives.

 

[Lord Vigo]

The Griz couldn't run the ball worth a darn against quality competition. Their YPC was behind MSU, SAC, UCD, ID, and WEB.

Their line might be "pretty good" relative to the FCS at large, including everyone that's out there (non-scholarship, not fully funded, etc.). But they aren't relative to real contenders. As a group, they were probably the 5th or 6th best in their own conference.

In various places on this forum you've argued that the OL is very good, the skill positions are very good, and the coaching is very good. And yet the results were mediocre.

UM and Weber averaged 4.4 per carry, I believe.

Non scholarship schools like the Ivies have good o-lines.

The o-line ranked higher in the conference.

Feel free to quote where I said those groups were very good. The resumes were good or pretty good.

You can’t support your narratives.

You’re right. I must have been mistaken. You clearly don’t think highly of the UM program, coaches, or players.

 

[mthoopsfan]

How does a line that can’t block give up so few sacks, rank in the top 40 rushing, and have so many all conference players?

It’s strange to me that you feel being 40th in rushing yards per game and 46th in rushing yards per carry is a strong finish.

Furthermore, I’m not necessarily saying their line couldn’t protect at all, but their lack of sacks given up had a lot to do with getting the ball out. They didn’t attack down the field very often.

I didn’t say that. I was countering your saying the o-line was mediocre. I don’t agree that giving up relatively few sacks, having a decent run game, and having all conference players is mediocre. They attacked downfield in many games.

 

[mthoopsfan]

UM and Weber averaged 4.4 per carry, I believe.

Non scholarship schools like the Ivies have good o-lines.

The o-line ranked higher in the conference.

Feel free to quote where I said those groups were very good. The o-line was good or pretty good.

You can’t support your narratives.

You’re right. I must have been mistaken. You clearly don’t think highly of the UM program, coaches, or players.

I think highly of the program, but never said the skill players were very good or the o- line was very good (except in certain games).

Let’s see you defend your mediocre comment. Don’t attack gongs I never said. Like I said, you can’t or won’t defend your narrative.

 

[brewskis]

5th in the big sky, which only got one team into the semi finals, certainly is a whelming result.

Which got 5 teams in playoffs and 4 seeded. Best in FCS.

Except when it comes to actually winning in the playoffs.

 

[hubcap]

I would give our 2022 O-line a C+ in pass-blocking, but a D- in run-blocking. I think a lot of their inability to run-block is coaching (lack thereof), but some of it is that our O-line does not seem to me able to move, or direct defenders. Too many zone-blocking schemes, too little traps, combos, and pulls. Also, Rosey's offense is inept is designing multiple screen-plays, which feature more complicated blocking assignments for the O-line.

How does a line that can’t block give up so few sacks, rank in the top 40 rushing, and have so many all conference players?

Maybe because the QB bailed out of the pocket in mere seconds and ran the ball. This line was below average and that’s a fact. None of us like it but if you look at this objectively, which you clearly can’t do, you will see that they just aren’t that good.

 

[mthoopsfan]

How does a line that can’t block give up so few sacks, rank in the top 40 rushing, and have so many all conference players?

Maybe because the QB bailed out of the pocket in mere seconds and ran the ball. This line was below average and that’s a fact. None of us like it but if you look at this objectively, which you clearly can’t do, you will see that they just aren’t that good.

Nope. Line was not below average. Johnson and Brown didn’t bail early either. You obviously don’t understand football or o-line. Fact.

 

[Lord Vigo]

You’re right. I must have been mistaken. You clearly don’t think highly of the UM program, coaches, or players.

I think highly of the program, but never said the skill players were very good or the o- line was very good (except in certain games).

Let’s see you defend your mediocre comment. Don’t attack gongs I never said. Like I said, you can’t or won’t defend your narrative.

My bad. You’re totally measured in your assessments. Carry on.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You’re right. I must have been mistaken. You clearly don’t think highly of the UM program, coaches, or players.

I think highly of the program, but never said the skill players were very good or the o- line was very good (except in certain games).

Let’s see you defend your mediocre comment. Don’t attack gongs I never said. Like I said, you can’t or won’t defend your narrative.

If you’re very good in some games (read: against shitty teams) but not in others (read: against good teams and games that matter), that’s mediocre in my book. Or wildly inconsistent. Take your pick of adjectives. The teams playing in the game on 1/8 didnt’ have an issue with their lines being wildly inconsistent regardless of who they were playing.

 

[hubcap]

Maybe because the QB bailed out of the pocket in mere seconds and ran the ball. This line was below average and that’s a fact. None of us like it but if you look at this objectively, which you clearly can’t do, you will see that they just aren’t that good.

Nope. Line was not below average. Johnson and Brown didn’t bail early either. You obviously don’t understand football or o-line. Fact.

Really is amazing you can watch any football with how far your head is up your ass. Below average OL. Fact.

You the dumbest sumbitch in the Canyon Club. Fact.