2023-24 Expectations

[CDAGRIZ]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Yes. It would be a better league immediately.

If they were back last year and under old playoff format - Griz don't make the playoffs. Also probably true with new format.

Correct, in their current form having played years of FBS. No real way of knowing had they remained FCS this whole time.

 

[uptopgriz]

Question: If App State, JMU, UMass, ODU, Liberty, GaSo, SHSU, and several others came BACK to FCS, would the FCS be stronger?

Hmm, would the FCS be stronger if it clawed back a bunch of FBS programs that made the leap some to many years ago? Yeah, I think it would. They aren't the same programs that they were when they played FCS FB. They are better. They get better players.

Some people (not saying you) appear to view FB programs as these static entities. Never changing. Which is strange given what has happened in the State of Montana of late. MSU sucked donkey balls when App State moved up. And now? I mean MSU still sucks donkey balls, but I trust you know what I mean.

App state hasn't had a player like Edwards or Quick since they moved up.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Yes. It would be a better league immediately.

If they were back last year and under old playoff format - Griz don't make the playoffs. Also probably true with new format.

Correct, in their current form having played years of FBS. No real way of knowing had they remained FCS this whole time.

Cripes....they were GOOD in the FCS. :lol:

You can't honestly believe if Appy, SHSU, JMU and others were still in FCS they would suddenly stink at football?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Correct, in their current form having played years of FBS. No real way of knowing had they remained FCS this whole time.

Cripes....they were GOOD in the FCS. :lol:

You can't honestly believe if Appy, SHSU, JMU and others were still in FCS they would suddenly stink at football?

I guess my point is that there were powerhouses back then that aren't powerhouses anymore. I read posts from some people here all the time that put UM in that category. I didn't say they would "stink at football". Youngstown fell off pretty hard except for 2016. Delaware and SFA haven't made a lot of noise lately. Were IWU or EWU or MSU doing well 20 years ago? It's fine if you disagree and you feel know for sure that all of the programs that moved up would still be just as good if they hadn't.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Cripes....they were GOOD in the FCS. :lol:

You can't honestly believe if Appy, SHSU, JMU and others were still in FCS they would suddenly stink at football?

I guess my point is that there were powerhouses back then that aren't powerhouses anymore. I read posts from some people here all the time that put UM in that category. I didn't say they would "stink at football". Youngstown fell off pretty hard except for 2016. Delaware and SFA haven't made a lot of noise lately. Were IWU or EWU or MSU doing well 20 years ago? It's fine if you disagree and you feel know for sure that all of the programs that moved up would still be just as good if they hadn't.

No, not all of them...but I do believe JMU, Appy, and SHSU and perhaps one or 2 others would have been consistently good.

Thanks for picking the Griz scab in this conversation tho.

 

[uofmman1122]

Cripes....they were GOOD in the FCS. :lol:

You can't honestly believe if Appy, SHSU, JMU and others were still in FCS they would suddenly stink at football?

I guess my point is that there were powerhouses back then that aren't powerhouses anymore. I read posts from some people here all the time that put UM in that category. I didn't say they would "stink at football". Youngstown fell off pretty hard except for 2016. Delaware and SFA haven't made a lot of noise lately. Were IWU or EWU or MSU doing well 20 years ago? It's fine if you disagree and you feel know for sure that all of the programs that moved up would still be just as good if they hadn't.

There are multiple current CAA teams that were among the best in a non-watered down FCS that now flame out in the quarterfinals at best and cannot find the dominance they once had. Or maybe the rest of the FCS just got better....who can say?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I guess my point is that there were powerhouses back then that aren't powerhouses anymore. I read posts from some people here all the time that put UM in that category. I didn't say they would "stink at football". Youngstown fell off pretty hard except for 2016. Delaware and SFA haven't made a lot of noise lately. Were IWU or EWU or MSU doing well 20 years ago? It's fine if you disagree and you feel know for sure that all of the programs that moved up would still be just as good if they hadn't.

No, not all of them...but I do believe JMU, Appy, and SHSU and perhaps one or 2 others would have been consistently good.

Thanks for picking the Griz scab in this conversation tho.

No worries.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I guess my point is that there were powerhouses back then that aren't powerhouses anymore. I read posts from some people here all the time that put UM in that category. I didn't say they would "stink at football". Youngstown fell off pretty hard except for 2016. Delaware and SFA haven't made a lot of noise lately. Were IWU or EWU or MSU doing well 20 years ago? It's fine if you disagree and you feel know for sure that all of the programs that moved up would still be just as good if they hadn't.

There are multiple current CAA teams that were among the best in a non-watered down FCS that now flame out in the quarterfinals at best and cannot find the dominance they once had. Or maybe the rest of the FCS just got better....who can say?

Apparently soldier can and no one else.

 

[SoldierGriz]

There are multiple current CAA teams that were among the best in a non-watered down FCS that now flame out in the quarterfinals at best and cannot find the dominance they once had. Or maybe the rest of the FCS just got better....who can say?

Apparently soldier can and no one else.

You can as well. No one is stopping you.

 

[#15 Fan]

I guess my point is that there were powerhouses back then that aren't powerhouses anymore. I read posts from some people here all the time that put UM in that category. I didn't say they would "stink at football". Youngstown fell off pretty hard except for 2016. Delaware and SFA haven't made a lot of noise lately. Were IWU or EWU or MSU doing well 20 years ago? It's fine if you disagree and you feel know for sure that all of the programs that moved up would still be just as good if they hadn't.

No, not all of them...but I do believe JMU, Appy, and SHSU and perhaps one or 2 others would have been consistently good.

Thanks for picking the Griz scab in this conversation tho.

JMU and App State I would agree, but SHSU?? They lost to NAU, Southern Utah, Abilene Christian, and barely beat SFA & Utah Tech. They were awful last year, and I would not put them in any category with those other teams mentioned.

 

[SoldierGriz]

No, not all of them...but I do believe JMU, Appy, and SHSU and perhaps one or 2 others would have been consistently good.

Thanks for picking the Griz scab in this conversation tho.

JMU and App State I would agree, but SHSU?? They lost to NAU, Southern Utah, Abilene Christian, and barely beat SFA & Utah Tech. They were awful last year, and I would not put them in any category with those other teams mentioned.

I think their transition to FBS is certainly "bumpy." But they had many, many seasons that were pretty damn good in the FCS.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

JMU and App State I would agree, but SHSU?? They lost to NAU, Southern Utah, Abilene Christian, and barely beat SFA & Utah Tech. They were awful last year, and I would not put them in any category with those other teams mentioned.

I think their transition to FBS is certainly "bumpy." But they had many, many seasons that were pretty damn good in the FCS.

Let's get back to arguing over something more easy to define, like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[SoldierGriz]

I think their transition to FBS is certainly "bumpy." But they had many, many seasons that were pretty damn good in the FCS.

Let's get back to arguing over something more easy to define, like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm stumped, but going to go with a clean dozen.

 

[Montanabob]

7-4
Lose to MSU
Host 1st round playoff game and win.
Host 2nd round and win.
Lose and done for the season.

 

[GrizLA]

No, not all of them...but I do believe JMU, Appy, and SHSU and perhaps one or 2 others would have been consistently good.

Thanks for picking the Griz scab in this conversation tho.

JMU and App State I would agree, but SHSU?? They lost to NAU, Southern Utah, Abilene Christian, and barely beat SFA & Utah Tech. They were awful last year, and I would not put them in any category with those other teams mentioned.

How about Coastal Carolina, Boise State, Nevada? The FCS is not what it was but the Big Sky seems like it has improved to the point they are generally considered one of two top conferences. But, FCS is more than that as Montana has discovered the past couple of years and then some.

 

[AZGrizFan]

7-4
Lose to MSU
Host 1st round playoff game and win.
Host 2nd round and win.
Lose and done for the season.

If we go 7-4 again, and lose to the ‘Scats, that means one of those wins is D-2 Ferris State.

We ain’t in the playoffs in that scenario.

 

[SoCal Surfer]

I personally had higher expectations last year than I do this year. To me all the personnel pieces are not yet in place. I visualize a similar ending to the upcoming year as last year.

 

[kemajic]

I personally had higher expectations last year than I do this year. To me all the personnel pieces are not yet in place. I visualize a similar ending to the upcoming year as last year.

You must not be looking at the schedule difference.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I personally had higher expectations last year than I do this year. To me all the personnel pieces are not yet in place. I visualize a similar ending to the upcoming year as last year.

You must not be looking at the schedule difference.

No doubt it’s huge. Problem is, the easier schedule can mask a lot of issues and give a false sense of security. It may result in a better record, a seed, and a DEEPER playoff run, but with a less talented team, potentially.

 

[uofmman1122]

You must not be looking at the schedule difference.

No doubt it’s huge. Problem is, the easier schedule can mask a lot of issues and give a false sense of security. It may result in a better record, a seed, and a DEEPER playoff run, but with a less talented team, potentially.

Woah woah woah, I thought we were suddenly exclusively results-oriented around here. What gives! :lol: