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2 point stance

BillingsMafia

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I know there is another thread on this but I believe this is too important to let die. Does Stitt or any of his coaches lack fundamental football knowledge? Why did Choate bring this up? Does he know Stitt is so stubborn that he wont change? I was blown away when I read that story in Sundays paper.
I know Stitt isn't going anywhere but maybe someone could get him a book titled football 101.
 
BillingsMafia said:
I know there is another thread on this but I believe this is too important to let die. Does Stitt or any of his coaches lack fundamental football knowledge? Why did Choate bring this up? Does he know Stitt is so stubborn that he wont change? I was blown away when I read that story in Sundays paper.
I know Stitt isn't going anywhere but maybe someone could get him a book titled football 101.

...more importantly than getting easily blocked ...
...you don't feel the soft block on the draw play...
...gnashed for 220 of 360 yards on the draw play...


... :shock: ...
 
I watched a few NFL games yesterday and on given plays there were 5 defensive players in the box in two point stances. I guess there a number of NFL coaches that don't know fundamental football.
 
BillingsMafia said:
I know there is another thread on this but I believe this is too important to let die. Does Stitt or any of his coaches lack fundamental football knowledge? Why did Choate bring this up? Does he know Stitt is so stubborn that he wont change? I was blown away when I read that story in Sundays paper.
I know Stitt isn't going anywhere but maybe someone could get him a book titled football 101.
Why you ask? one word recruits
 
A 2 point stance may be effective against passing teams.....like in the NFL. The Cats are not a team that can pass very well.
 
ranco said:
I watched a few NFL games yesterday and on given plays there were 5 defensive players in the box in two point stances. I guess there a number of NFL coaches that don't know fundamental football.

Couple points....1) LB's are in two point stances and the box on most every play 2) Not too many NFL games with one of the teams passing 10 times and completing 2.

Seemed the Bobcat coach was pointing out that they felt they had an advantage running the ball vs. the 2 point stance. Seemed they ran the ball quite a bit.....
 
ranco said:
I watched a few NFL games yesterday and on given plays there were 5 defensive players in the box in two point stances. I guess there a number of NFL coaches that don't know fundamental football.


Apple oranges........How many NFL teams on 3rd and long run the QB draw multiple times a game.....none. NFL will occasionally do it on obvious PASSING downs......2 pt stance is fine for pass rush (different blocking techniques required ). MSU QB running was the threat on passing downs......everyone in the stadium saw but Semore. Then at the end on 4th down all sold out on run even the DBs which is a total headshaker in itself
 
Ursus1 said:
ranco said:
I watched a few NFL games yesterday and on given plays there were 5 defensive players in the box in two point stances. I guess there a number of NFL coaches that don't know fundamental football.


Apple oranges........How many NFL teams on 3rd and long run the QB draw multiple times a game.....none. NFL will occasionally do it on obvious PASSING downs......2 pt stance is fine for pass rush (different blocking techniques required ). MSU QB running was the threat on passing downs......everyone in the stadium saw but Semore. Then at the end on 4th down all sold out on run even the DBs which is a total headshaker in itself

Exactly! Also NFL offense generally do not have designed run plays too risky to the franchise! Get low and own the LOS.
 
The OP was nothing but a blanket argument that anyone who uses a two point stance doesn't know football fundamentals. That's obviously false. There is a time and a place for it, which it appears most agree with. With that said, I was scratching my head with some of our defensive alignments on Saturday, especially given the fact the Cats were so one-dimensional.
 
I have to give it to Choate, he stays on message. This was one of the things he said to his own team when they got the "we're doing it my way" speech. The only time the DT's don't have a hand on he ground is when they're in the "we're standing here and all coming to get you" alignment. They got blocked. Deal with it.

Stitt & Semore both knew from watching more than a minute of film that they kid was a runner & part-time QB. It was 14-0 before they reacted to what he saw on film. Nine passes, three completions and you would have thought they'd been facing Gube with all the emphasis on pressuring a guy who could run away from your fastest defender. He didn't beat the

What Choate should have mentioned was he prowess in defending the Griz O which was the difference in the game.
 
Just wondering others thoughts on a few things. First, did the two point stance cost the Griz other games they struggled to stop the run? I can think of struggles stopping the run against Cal Poly and especially the last drive against Northern Colorado. However, I am not sure if the reason other teams had much success running the ball is a result of how our line lines up. It would make sense why teams like Northern Arizona seemed to dominate the line of scrimmage.

Also, if Choate had not pointed out the fact that they identified a weakness and exploited it, would the Griz still utilize it as often next season? Do the Griz continue to line up this way on a regular basis such as supposed passing downs? Even after being burned on multiple draw plays like we seen? One would hope the Griz coaching staff can learn from their mistakes and correct them but I guess only time will tell. I have a hard time believing Semore would have identified this as an issue that needs addressed. Hope I am wrong.

Lastly, I noticed a huge gap in the middle of Grizzly defense well after the Cats had torn up the Griz with the draw play. It seemed the Griz defensive formation invited the Cats to run up the middle as some fans near me also mentioned.
 
It's funny how no one had a problem with it until Choate mentioned it.

And we've been doing it for a while.

Especially since it seems so obvious to so many people now.
 
uofmman1122 said:
It's funny how no one had a problem with it until Choate mentioned it.

And we've been doing it for a while.

Especially since it seems so obvious to so many people now.
It's the parable of the "Emperor's New Clothes."
 
1Griz_Fan said:
Just wondering others thoughts on a few things. First, did the two point stance cost the Griz other games they struggled to stop the run? I can think of struggles stopping the run against Cal Poly and especially the last drive against Northern Colorado. However, I am not sure if the reason other teams had much success running the ball is a result of how our line lines up. It would make sense why teams like Northern Arizona seemed to dominate the line of scrimmage.

Also, if Choate had not pointed out the fact that they identified a weakness and exploited it, would the Griz still utilize it as often next season? Do the Griz continue to line up this way on a regular basis such as supposed passing downs? Even after being burned on multiple draw plays like we seen? One would hope the Griz coaching staff can learn from their mistakes and correct them but I guess only time will tell. I have a hard time believing Semore would have identified this as an issue that needs addressed. Hope I am wrong.

Lastly, I noticed a huge gap in the middle of Grizzly defense well after the Cats had torn up the Griz with the draw play. It seemed the Griz defensive formation invited the Cats to run up the middle as some fans near me also mentioned.

I still say the reason Choate publicly pointed it out was recruiting, he has said he wants to "own the state" so he went out and got the win then said how simple it was, basically pissed on Stitts leg and marked territory. Recruits are going to like the attitude and be more likely to sign to play for a coach like that. Who wants to play for staff that is making fundamental mistakes like that in base scheme?

I am not arguing weather the 2 point stance is valid or not just that the press statements are as much a PR statement to recruits as it is anything else. Its gotten a lot of play in the Montana press so it looks like a good tactic.
 
The.Real.2506 said:
1Griz_Fan said:
Just wondering others thoughts on a few things. First, did the two point stance cost the Griz other games they struggled to stop the run? I can think of struggles stopping the run against Cal Poly and especially the last drive against Northern Colorado. However, I am not sure if the reason other teams had much success running the ball is a result of how our line lines up. It would make sense why teams like Northern Arizona seemed to dominate the line of scrimmage.

Also, if Choate had not pointed out the fact that they identified a weakness and exploited it, would the Griz still utilize it as often next season? Do the Griz continue to line up this way on a regular basis such as supposed passing downs? Even after being burned on multiple draw plays like we seen? One would hope the Griz coaching staff can learn from their mistakes and correct them but I guess only time will tell. I have a hard time believing Semore would have identified this as an issue that needs addressed. Hope I am wrong.

Lastly, I noticed a huge gap in the middle of Grizzly defense well after the Cats had torn up the Griz with the draw play. It seemed the Griz defensive formation invited the Cats to run up the middle as some fans near me also mentioned.

I still say the reason Choate publicly pointed it out was recruiting, he has said he wants to "own the state" so he went out and got the win then said how simple it was, basically pissed on Stitts leg and marked territory. Recruits are going to like the attitude and be more likely to sign to play for a coach like that. Who wants to play for staff that is making fundamental mistakes like that in base scheme?

I am not arguing weather the 2 point stance is valid or not just that the press statements are as much a PR statement to recruits as it is anything else. Its gotten a lot of play in the Montana press so it looks like a good tactic.

It doesn't look like Choate needs much help recruiting the top talent in the State...
 
FlyCastingCat said:
The.Real.2506 said:
1Griz_Fan said:
Just wondering others thoughts on a few things. First, did the two point stance cost the Griz other games they struggled to stop the run? I can think of struggles stopping the run against Cal Poly and especially the last drive against Northern Colorado. However, I am not sure if the reason other teams had much success running the ball is a result of how our line lines up. It would make sense why teams like Northern Arizona seemed to dominate the line of scrimmage.

Also, if Choate had not pointed out the fact that they identified a weakness and exploited it, would the Griz still utilize it as often next season? Do the Griz continue to line up this way on a regular basis such as supposed passing downs? Even after being burned on multiple draw plays like we seen? One would hope the Griz coaching staff can learn from their mistakes and correct them but I guess only time will tell. I have a hard time believing Semore would have identified this as an issue that needs addressed. Hope I am wrong.

Lastly, I noticed a huge gap in the middle of Grizzly defense well after the Cats had torn up the Griz with the draw play. It seemed the Griz defensive formation invited the Cats to run up the middle as some fans near me also mentioned.

I still say the reason Choate publicly pointed it out was recruiting, he has said he wants to "own the state" so he went out and got the win then said how simple it was, basically pissed on Stitts leg and marked territory. Recruits are going to like the attitude and be more likely to sign to play for a coach like that. Who wants to play for staff that is making fundamental mistakes like that in base scheme?

I am not arguing weather the 2 point stance is valid or not just that the press statements are as much a PR statement to recruits as it is anything else. Its gotten a lot of play in the Montana press so it looks like a good tactic.

It doesn't look like Choate needs much help recruiting the top talent in the State...

4-7. If that's what getting the top talent in the state gets you, I'll pass.
 
FWIW I was at UNC game and after the game I concluded the two point stance was a failed experiment. The Bozeman coach's comments were 100% recruiting. He was right tho.
 
FWIW I was at UNC game and after the game I concluded the two point stance was a failed experiment. The Bozeman coach's comments were 100% recruiting. He was right tho.
 
uofmman1122 said:
It's funny how no one had a problem with it until Choate mentioned it.

And we've been doing it for a while.

Especially since it seems so obvious to so many people now.

...wrong...
...seen it..mentioned it...
...wasn't sure if it was lazy..cocky...
...it started to stick out like a sore thumb...

... :roll: ...
 
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