2 FOR 1 Coming Helena

[infiltrator]

they collect blood when testing for HGH. Which the NCAA does not have the power to do. Your right peeing in a cup only tells the officials about the tess levels which means your using an illegal substance. Any thing that boosts your tess levels is classified as a steroid. If you do believe what you read on the internet visit the site where the NFL and Players Union is still fighting on how they will test athletes. The players won't agree to take blood samples, but agree to piss in a cup because HGH cannot be detected in urine. HGH is not considered a tess steroid.

 

[Triwest]

Clean program? Powerhouse? NAIA is rampant with steroids and the 6-time national champs are as guilty as any program.

Yep. Former Carroll player now public speaker talks about roid rage and how he almost died because of it. Good guy now but talks about what was out of sight just beneath the surface of public image.

Almost died of roid rage? I hope you're joking. :lol:

A little more detail. During one of many anger outbursts he attributes to steroids he punched a plate glass window and cut the artery in his arm. He came close to bleeding out. Recovering in the hospital, he changed his view on many things and relationships which up to that time were short and dramatic. It led him to his public speaking job and another business he now has in Nevada. His life priorities changed and his view of how athletics should be also changed.

So no joke.

 

[GrizMusician]

they collect blood when testing for HGH. Which the NCAA does not have the power to do. Your right peeing in a cup only tells the officials about the tess levels which means your using an illegal substance. Any thing that boosts your tess levels is classified as a steroid. If you do believe what you read on the internet visit the site where the NFL and Players Union is still fighting on how they will test athletes. The players won't agree to take blood samples, but agree to piss in a cup because HGH cannot be detected in urine. HGH is not considered a tess steroid.

Like having someone watch you pee is any less intrusive than a blood test. :lol:

IMO, if they're not classifying HGH in the same category as AAS... they need to change that.

Neither HGH or testosterone are picked up in the urine because they're injectables (well, technically HGH is subdermal).

 

[GrizMusician]

Clean program? Powerhouse? NAIA is rampant with steroids and the 6-time national champs are as guilty as any program.

Yep. Former Carroll player now public speaker talks about roid rage and how he almost died because of it. Good guy now but talks about what was out of sight just beneath the surface of public image.

Almost died of roid rage? I hope you're joking. :lol:

A little more detail. During one of many anger outbursts he attributes to steroids he punched a plate glass window and cut the artery in his arm. He came close to bleeding out. Recovering in the hospital, he changed his view on many things and relationships which up to that time were short and dramatic. It led him to his public speaking job and another business he now has in Nevada. His life priorities changed and his view of how athletics should be also changed.

So no joke.

Crazy, I'm sorry to hear about your friend.

It's interesting though... everyone seems to react differently. It's been estimated that around 5% of all AAS users suffer from mental disturbances... it sounds like your friend was very unlucky. Thank god he's alright!

 

[Maxim]

It's not like teaching the spread is like teaching advanced calculus. This is still college Fbl not the NFL.

 

[argh!]

urine, saliva, whatever. you don't need blood tests for most steroids.

 

[cclarkblues]

Nope, don't want either of those guys. I'm sure MVD is a great guy, but why hasn't he moved up from Carroll, the NAIA (which is a total joke) powerhouse? Same goes for Parker.


Regardless I think Royce is going to make terrible decision on whoever he hires. Have zero confidence in him - the gutless "leader" of this University.

I see no reason to dump on the NAIA. After all, our division is considered Division ll by the vast majority of Americans who only follow major college FB. Carroll may actually be more well known than we are by a lot of people that have seen their fistful of championships on TV and in print.

Of course, I also see no reason to post the same thing 4 times.

 

[GrizMusician]

It's not like teaching the spread is like teaching advanced calculus. This is still college Fbl not the NFL.

Make the coach play NCAA12 for a few weeks using Oregon & he'll learn the spread... :lol:

 

[GrizMusician]

urine, saliva, whatever. you don't need blood tests for most steroids.

:lol:

Screw tests altogether... we'll just give them the look over... any athlete with a BMI over 24 will be assumed to be using & be kicked off the team immediately. They're guilty before proven innocent anyway. :lol:

 

[tnt]

I think Mick coaches the 2012 season. All the good "options" are locked into contracts right now...and Engstrom needs to hire a permanent AD before they hire a permanent coach. Hiring a coach right before the season starts would be catastrophic, IMHO.

I hope you are right. I'm sadly hampered by a long memory. The last time the boosters ran a "Draft (insert homegrown boy)" campaign. We got Gene Carlson. It took YEARS to recover.......

 

[wbtfg]

Ash was hired in may/june. Definitely possible to attract good candidates before the fall. Plus, im not sure you want an interim coach and staff out recruiting for the next year. IMO UM needs to get a full time coach and staff in place by the end of May.

 

[kemajic]

The urine tests test for the amount of testosterone present. They do not test for the presence of steroids.

So you think testosterone is not a steroid?

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

The time to terminate a coach is after the season, not in the middle of spring ball. But I hope you are right about Delaney. Once I decide to retire, if I ever do, I'm retired. Seems to make more sense that Delaney agreed to get the team through the spring, and there is a deal being greased with someone else. If there is no deal with someone else being greased, I hope Delaney sticks through the season so an orderly search can be performed. These are not ordinary times, though, and discipline will be a high priority for the next non-interim hire. Van Diest would bring greater discipline, has nothing left to prove where he is, and that's why the scenario makes sense to me.

You won't have to worry about discipline with Mick, he grew up in a hard-nosed mining town in the 40's and 50's.

All the players know him (continuity), and he's been instrumental in the run game (offense in general, especially blocking schemes).

He was the Griz Assistant Head Coach...he was the logical/smart choice.

GO GRIZ

 

[GrizMusician]

The urine tests test for the amount of testosterone present. They do not test for the presence of steroids.

So you think testosterone is not a steroid?

Ugh. I never said that. I will try to explain this again.

Testosterone is naturally occurring in the human body. Urine tests cannot distinguish between naturally occurring testosterone & exogenous testosterone. They can only determine the amount of testosterone in the body, which because there are no standards set for low or high testosterone levels, the lab work is left open to interpretation by the physician. Not only that, urine tests will not pick up injectable hormones as they completely bypass the renal, urinary, & digestive systems.

Only a blood test can distinguish between exogenous testosterone & naturally occurring testosterone.

...& also, well technically all exogenous hormones introduced to the body are considered "steroids." The ones we are referring to are "anabolic androgenic steroids."