ALPHAGRIZ1
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I talked to that guy at GameDay...very funny dude. Hates the cats more than Hammer.get'em_griz said:
Great sign
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#1 NDSU Bison vs UNH Wildcats Game Thread
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Great sign
Anymore blather out there on why we shouldn't want to build a program like NDSU? Perhaps another thread bemoaning burning a redshirt like EWU did with Kupp... Maybe a drop down discussion would be fitting given that much of the FCS seems to have caught up to the pride and tradition.
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UNH has only run 4 plays in the Bison zone all game!
ALPHAGRIZ1
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#25 Morlock is a true freshman RB
ALPHAGRIZ1
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****UNH total offense watch*****
117 and counting........6 mins left 4th qtr
NDSU -52
UNH 7- courtesy of NDSU
117 and counting........6 mins left 4th qtr
NDSU -52
UNH 7- courtesy of NDSU
Not a Griz fan
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NDSU's ot #77 Billy Turner is a fucking beast!!!
ALPHAGRIZ1
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*****UNH Total Offense Watch*****
They have done it!!!!!!!!!!
With 2 mins left in the game the vaunted high octane offense has 156 yards of offense.
Great jobs guys!
They have done it!!!!!!!!!!
With 2 mins left in the game the vaunted high octane offense has 156 yards of offense.
Great jobs guys!
George Ferguson
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Alpha, you know I've agreed with everything you've said about NDSU, and it confounds me that so many Egrizzers didn't seem to know NDSU was this good last year or the year before.
However, I have an honest question for you. You said a number of times when Pflu was hired "You got your offense back" which is essentially the offense that Coastal Carolina and New Hampshire amongst many others run. You also said that Pflu would at the most, win a chipper by his fourth season. But you also say the that the Bison are going to win it again next year. Well, next year would have been Pflu's fourth and the Griz would not have JJ. Do you think, if Pflu wouldn't have gotten fired, the Griz would have beaten NDSU this season and won it all, or would they have beaten NDSU in Pflu's fourth year, with whoever followed JJ?
However, I have an honest question for you. You said a number of times when Pflu was hired "You got your offense back" which is essentially the offense that Coastal Carolina and New Hampshire amongst many others run. You also said that Pflu would at the most, win a chipper by his fourth season. But you also say the that the Bison are going to win it again next year. Well, next year would have been Pflu's fourth and the Griz would not have JJ. Do you think, if Pflu wouldn't have gotten fired, the Griz would have beaten NDSU this season and won it all, or would they have beaten NDSU in Pflu's fourth year, with whoever followed JJ?
ALPHAGRIZ1
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havgrizfan said:
I would have been wrong if Pflugrad was still here.
You could make an FCS all star team picking the best players off all the other teams and NDSU would go right through them.
I think our offense on Pfluscontrol wouldn't have been able to score more than 20 points on NDSUs defense. Our defense wouldn't have been able to stop their running game and nobody wins the physical battle with this current Bison team. They would have crushed us....just not as bad as the last two teams they played.
We don't have the players, coaches, attitude, or mental toughness to play with a team like NDSU. We need a coach with a brash, cocky attitude to lead this team and mold them into Saturday gridiron assassins.
Our current teams play like a 70 year old man that is dreaming about retirement.
George Ferguson
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HAHA, I don't disagree with anything you say the Griz need to compete with the current NDSU team Alpha. However, every other FCS team in the country needs those same ingredients. As you yourself point out, the Griz aren't alone in being inferior to the Bison.
As for the type of coach you said the Griz need, I hate to tell you, but 99 percent of the players who played for him, assistants who coached with him, head coaches who he coached for in the past, and current head coaches who coached against him, would say you just described Bobby Hauck. I know you won't agree, but it's true.
As for the type of coach you said the Griz need, I hate to tell you, but 99 percent of the players who played for him, assistants who coached with him, head coaches who he coached for in the past, and current head coaches who coached against him, would say you just described Bobby Hauck. I know you won't agree, but it's true.
ALPHAGRIZ1
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I loved that about Hauck, his teams were tough as fu*k and played for 4 qtrs punching you in the mouth the whole time.havgrizfan said:
Hammer and I have had that talk about Hauck many times and I always loved that part of our teams while he was here. Too bad that's the only thing he managed to do that was worth a damn
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
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THIS
I was watching a Griz away game and happened to be at my mom's in Helena and she's 65. She got a glimpse of Mick pacing the sideline and asked me, "Who's that old duffer?" I laughed for a solid minute. But ultimately it bothered me...how exactly does a 70-plus year old guy motivate a locker room full of twenty-somethings and younger? I just don't get it.
*disclaimer*
I respect Coach Delaney not alone in his career as a coach, but also as a dignified guy who steered the cadillac from the passenger seat right after the driver was shot in the head in a coup-style assassination. I wish him nothing but the best, especially next year.
bgbigdog said:
The difference between EWU utilizing a true freshman like Kupp rather than redshirting him and then "burning" that redshirt like you state is that EWU actually uses Kupp in games where as Delaney has burned at least one redshirt that I recall and then never use that player except for maybe a couple series.
And Kupp obviously has the talent and skill level that he did not need a redshirt season to mature, learn the system, and build up strength, conditioning, etc. There is no comparisons with the way NDSU and EWU are running their programs compared to how some at UM seem to be hell bent on ruining it instead.
CFallsGriz said:
It's not all about the age of being a coach, hell look at Jack Johnson, he was right up there with Delaney and did just fine motivating high school kids. Some people have what it takes to be head coach while others not so much. That isn't to say they don't have what it takes to be an assistant like position coach or whatnot but it doesn't matter how old a great leader may be as long as they have what it takes.
WaGriz4life
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ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
I agree with Alpha about NDSU. Bizon are the best FCS team I've ever seen. But if Pflu was running Offense with JJ this year we would be lighting the Big Sky on fire and would be the 2 seed opposite of NDSU. We would have beat the Cats by 28+ this year if Pflu was our Coach with JJ running his run-n-shoot offense with Ellis, Van, and Jones.
George Ferguson
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1Griz_Fan, just so you know, Cooper Kupp isn't a true freshman. He red-shirted for the Eags last season.
2013: Listed as a starter at wide receiver on the preseason depth chart. He spent part of the summer in 2013 working at the Manning Passing Academy as a college counselor/coach. While in high school he previously attended the camp, which is run by Archie Manning, the father of NFL quarterbacks Eli and Peyton Manning. Archie is a former New Orleans Saints teammate of Cooper’s grandfather, Jake Kupp. Cooper caught eight passes for 119 yards and had touchdown catches of 27 and 26 yards in EWU’s Red-White Spring Game. In a total of three spring scrimmages, he caught 11 passes for 150 yards and a pair of TDs.
2012: Redshirted. Was selected as Eastern’s Offensive Scout Team Player of the Year. Was selected as the team’s offensive scout team player of the week once, and twice for special teams.
HS: Graduated from Davis HS in 2012. A two-way All-State selection, he earned first team 4A All-State honors as a defensive back and honorable mention accolades as a wide receiver from Associated Press as selected by sportswriters and broadcasters. Named by the Seattle Times as a “White Chip” selection as one of the top 100 prospects in the state of Washington. Also selected among “others to watch” on Ron Siegel’s pre-season All-State team (seniors only). Was a unanimous first team All-Columbia Basin Big Nine League wide receiver and defensive back at Davis. He finished his senior season with 60 receptions for 1,059 yards (17.7 per catch) and 18 touchdowns, and scored 22 total touchdowns to set a school record. He also had 11 rushes for 122 yards and two touchdowns as he helped Davis come one game away from a berth in the State 4A Playoffs. Davis finished 6-4 for the second straight year, giving the program back-to-back winning seasons for the first time since 1968-69. Kupp’s career came to an end in a 68-22 playoff loss to Mead, as Kupp finished with six catches for 87 yards. But he also filled in at quarterback because of an injury to Davis’ starter, and was 5-of-10 for 76 yards. A three-year starter, Kupp had 31 catches for 811 yards (26.2 per catch) and seven touchdowns as a junior to earn first team All-CBBN honors. With 19 catches for 230 yards as a sophomore, he finished his career with 110 catches for 2,100 yards. Also a three-year letter winner in basketball, the Pirates finished 23-2 and won the State 4A Tournament championship with a 48-42 title game victory over Central Valley. Kupp scored seven points and had five rebounds in that game, and four points, three rebounds and a pair of steals in a come-from-behind 52-46 win over Bellarmine Prep in the semifinals. In the quarterfinals, a 79-45 romp over Bothell, Kupp scored 19 points with four rebounds and five assists. The Pirates held their opponents to less than 50 points in all six of their postseason games. Kupp was a 4.0 honors student at Davis.
Personal: Born 6/15/93 in Yakima, Wash. Intends on majoring in exercise science at EWU. His parents are Craig and Karin Kupp, who were both inducted into the Pacific Lutheran University Hall of Fame in 2003. Karin (formerly Karin Gilmer) was a soccer player and Craig played football. Craig, who graduated from Selah (Wash.) High School, was a fifth-round draft pick by the New York Giants in 1990 and played in 1991 for the Phoenix Cardinals and the Dallas Cowboys. Cooper’s great-uncle, Jeff Kupp, lettered as an offensive lineman at Eastern from 1982-84 during EWU’s transition from NAIA to the FCS (then known as I-AA). Cooper’s grandfather, Jake Kupp, was an offensive lineman for the University of Washington and was drafted in the ninth round of the 1964 NFL draft by the Dallas Cowboys. He played from 1964-75 as a guard with Dallas, the Washington Redskins, Atlanta Falcons and the New Orleans Saints. Named to the NFL All-Rookie team, he later was a five-time captain for the Saints. He was named to the franchise’s 25-year All-Time Team and was inducted into its Hall of Fame in 1991, the same year that Craig played in the NFL. And Karin’s father, Tom Gilmer, is also a member of the PLU Hall of Fame as a Lute quarterback and record-setting punter in the late 1950’s. He is also in the Tacoma-Pierce County Sports Hall of Fame after also serving as the long-time football coach for Washington High School in Tacoma.
2013: Listed as a starter at wide receiver on the preseason depth chart. He spent part of the summer in 2013 working at the Manning Passing Academy as a college counselor/coach. While in high school he previously attended the camp, which is run by Archie Manning, the father of NFL quarterbacks Eli and Peyton Manning. Archie is a former New Orleans Saints teammate of Cooper’s grandfather, Jake Kupp. Cooper caught eight passes for 119 yards and had touchdown catches of 27 and 26 yards in EWU’s Red-White Spring Game. In a total of three spring scrimmages, he caught 11 passes for 150 yards and a pair of TDs.
2012: Redshirted. Was selected as Eastern’s Offensive Scout Team Player of the Year. Was selected as the team’s offensive scout team player of the week once, and twice for special teams.
HS: Graduated from Davis HS in 2012. A two-way All-State selection, he earned first team 4A All-State honors as a defensive back and honorable mention accolades as a wide receiver from Associated Press as selected by sportswriters and broadcasters. Named by the Seattle Times as a “White Chip” selection as one of the top 100 prospects in the state of Washington. Also selected among “others to watch” on Ron Siegel’s pre-season All-State team (seniors only). Was a unanimous first team All-Columbia Basin Big Nine League wide receiver and defensive back at Davis. He finished his senior season with 60 receptions for 1,059 yards (17.7 per catch) and 18 touchdowns, and scored 22 total touchdowns to set a school record. He also had 11 rushes for 122 yards and two touchdowns as he helped Davis come one game away from a berth in the State 4A Playoffs. Davis finished 6-4 for the second straight year, giving the program back-to-back winning seasons for the first time since 1968-69. Kupp’s career came to an end in a 68-22 playoff loss to Mead, as Kupp finished with six catches for 87 yards. But he also filled in at quarterback because of an injury to Davis’ starter, and was 5-of-10 for 76 yards. A three-year starter, Kupp had 31 catches for 811 yards (26.2 per catch) and seven touchdowns as a junior to earn first team All-CBBN honors. With 19 catches for 230 yards as a sophomore, he finished his career with 110 catches for 2,100 yards. Also a three-year letter winner in basketball, the Pirates finished 23-2 and won the State 4A Tournament championship with a 48-42 title game victory over Central Valley. Kupp scored seven points and had five rebounds in that game, and four points, three rebounds and a pair of steals in a come-from-behind 52-46 win over Bellarmine Prep in the semifinals. In the quarterfinals, a 79-45 romp over Bothell, Kupp scored 19 points with four rebounds and five assists. The Pirates held their opponents to less than 50 points in all six of their postseason games. Kupp was a 4.0 honors student at Davis.
Personal: Born 6/15/93 in Yakima, Wash. Intends on majoring in exercise science at EWU. His parents are Craig and Karin Kupp, who were both inducted into the Pacific Lutheran University Hall of Fame in 2003. Karin (formerly Karin Gilmer) was a soccer player and Craig played football. Craig, who graduated from Selah (Wash.) High School, was a fifth-round draft pick by the New York Giants in 1990 and played in 1991 for the Phoenix Cardinals and the Dallas Cowboys. Cooper’s great-uncle, Jeff Kupp, lettered as an offensive lineman at Eastern from 1982-84 during EWU’s transition from NAIA to the FCS (then known as I-AA). Cooper’s grandfather, Jake Kupp, was an offensive lineman for the University of Washington and was drafted in the ninth round of the 1964 NFL draft by the Dallas Cowboys. He played from 1964-75 as a guard with Dallas, the Washington Redskins, Atlanta Falcons and the New Orleans Saints. Named to the NFL All-Rookie team, he later was a five-time captain for the Saints. He was named to the franchise’s 25-year All-Time Team and was inducted into its Hall of Fame in 1991, the same year that Craig played in the NFL. And Karin’s father, Tom Gilmer, is also a member of the PLU Hall of Fame as a Lute quarterback and record-setting punter in the late 1950’s. He is also in the Tacoma-Pierce County Sports Hall of Fame after also serving as the long-time football coach for Washington High School in Tacoma.
1Griz_Fan said:
But...
Johnson was doing what he did a long time ago, retiring at that age now. Its different than starting out at that position at the same age. There's a clear difference.
Pardon the ridiculous pun, but get with the program...
Again, props to Coach Delaney.
havgrizfan said:
Yeah, you were the only two who figured that out. :roll:
ALPHAGRIZ1
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Two things
1. Jack Johnson isn't near the coach he was 20 years ago.
2. Ellis Henderson is head and shoulders better than Kupp......it's not even close.
1. Jack Johnson isn't near the coach he was 20 years ago.
2. Ellis Henderson is head and shoulders better than Kupp......it's not even close.
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