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#1 NDSU Bison vs UNH Wildcats Game Thread

Wonder how the '95 Griz would have faired against this NDSU squad?...
I recall them blowing the doors off teams in the playoffs even worse.

NDSU is legit
Coastal Carolina was a very good football team and I believe they were NDSU's greatest challenge on their way to the chipper.

Bison beat EWU by 35
Bison beat Towsen by plenty

Will be fun to take on the #1 team next year. I hope to hell they remain #1 through the first 3 games.
...pretty sure they will
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Two things

1. Jack Johnson isn't near the coach he was 20 years ago.

2. Ellis Henderson is head and shoulders better than Kupp......it's not even close.

May be so about Johnson yet he led CMR to three titles since 2001 including as recent as 2009.

And Kupp's numbers say otherwise (except avg), not knocking Henderson, just saying Kupp broke some records on Randy Moss's level. I suppose Hendo is head and shoulders better than Moss too. :roll:
 
havgrizfan said:
1Griz_Fan, just so you know, Cooper Kupp isn't a true freshman. He red-shirted for the Eags last season.



2013: Listed as a starter at wide receiver on the preseason depth chart. He spent part of the summer in 2013 working at the Manning Passing Academy as a college counselor/coach. While in high school he previously attended the camp, which is run by Archie Manning, the father of NFL quarterbacks Eli and Peyton Manning. Archie is a former New Orleans Saints teammate of Cooper’s grandfather, Jake Kupp. Cooper caught eight passes for 119 yards and had touchdown catches of 27 and 26 yards in EWU’s Red-White Spring Game. In a total of three spring scrimmages, he caught 11 passes for 150 yards and a pair of TDs.

2012: Redshirted. Was selected as Eastern’s Offensive Scout Team Player of the Year. Was selected as the team’s offensive scout team player of the week once, and twice for special teams.

HS: Graduated from Davis HS in 2012. A two-way All-State selection, he earned first team 4A All-State honors as a defensive back and honorable mention accolades as a wide receiver from Associated Press as selected by sportswriters and broadcasters. Named by the Seattle Times as a “White Chip” selection as one of the top 100 prospects in the state of Washington. Also selected among “others to watch” on Ron Siegel’s pre-season All-State team (seniors only). Was a unanimous first team All-Columbia Basin Big Nine League wide receiver and defensive back at Davis. He finished his senior season with 60 receptions for 1,059 yards (17.7 per catch) and 18 touchdowns, and scored 22 total touchdowns to set a school record. He also had 11 rushes for 122 yards and two touchdowns as he helped Davis come one game away from a berth in the State 4A Playoffs. Davis finished 6-4 for the second straight year, giving the program back-to-back winning seasons for the first time since 1968-69. Kupp’s career came to an end in a 68-22 playoff loss to Mead, as Kupp finished with six catches for 87 yards. But he also filled in at quarterback because of an injury to Davis’ starter, and was 5-of-10 for 76 yards. A three-year starter, Kupp had 31 catches for 811 yards (26.2 per catch) and seven touchdowns as a junior to earn first team All-CBBN honors. With 19 catches for 230 yards as a sophomore, he finished his career with 110 catches for 2,100 yards. Also a three-year letter winner in basketball, the Pirates finished 23-2 and won the State 4A Tournament championship with a 48-42 title game victory over Central Valley. Kupp scored seven points and had five rebounds in that game, and four points, three rebounds and a pair of steals in a come-from-behind 52-46 win over Bellarmine Prep in the semifinals. In the quarterfinals, a 79-45 romp over Bothell, Kupp scored 19 points with four rebounds and five assists. The Pirates held their opponents to less than 50 points in all six of their postseason games. Kupp was a 4.0 honors student at Davis.

Personal: Born 6/15/93 in Yakima, Wash. Intends on majoring in exercise science at EWU. His parents are Craig and Karin Kupp, who were both inducted into the Pacific Lutheran University Hall of Fame in 2003. Karin (formerly Karin Gilmer) was a soccer player and Craig played football. Craig, who graduated from Selah (Wash.) High School, was a fifth-round draft pick by the New York Giants in 1990 and played in 1991 for the Phoenix Cardinals and the Dallas Cowboys. Cooper’s great-uncle, Jeff Kupp, lettered as an offensive lineman at Eastern from 1982-84 during EWU’s transition from NAIA to the FCS (then known as I-AA). Cooper’s grandfather, Jake Kupp, was an offensive lineman for the University of Washington and was drafted in the ninth round of the 1964 NFL draft by the Dallas Cowboys. He played from 1964-75 as a guard with Dallas, the Washington Redskins, Atlanta Falcons and the New Orleans Saints. Named to the NFL All-Rookie team, he later was a five-time captain for the Saints. He was named to the franchise’s 25-year All-Time Team and was inducted into its Hall of Fame in 1991, the same year that Craig played in the NFL. And Karin’s father, Tom Gilmer, is also a member of the PLU Hall of Fame as a Lute quarterback and record-setting punter in the late 1950’s. He is also in the Tacoma-Pierce County Sports Hall of Fame after also serving as the long-time football coach for Washington High School in Tacoma.

Thanks for clearing that up havgrizfan. I was going off of what the other poster said about Kupp so maybe misinterpreted what he was saying or he didn't know what he was talking about.
 
CFallsGriz said:
1Griz_Fan said:
CFallsGriz said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
I would have been wrong if Pflugrad was still here.

But...

Johnson was a HC a long time ago, doing what he would be doing at the age he was a few days ago when he retired. You don't just start doing that AT that age. There's a clear difference.

Again, props for steering from the passenger seat.

Pardon the ridiculous pun, but get with the program...

You could make an FCS all star team picking the best players off all the other teams and NDSU would go right through them.

I think our offense on Pfluscontrol wouldn't have been able to score more than 20 points on NDSUs defense. Our defense wouldn't have been able to stop their running game and nobody wins the physical battle with this current Bison team. They would have crushed us....just not as bad as the last two teams they played.

We don't have the players, coaches, attitude, or mental toughness to play with a team like NDSU. We need a coach with a brash, cocky attitude to lead this team and mold them into Saturday gridiron assassins.

Our current teams play like a 70 year old man that is dreaming about retirement.


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THIS

I was watching a Griz away game and happened to be at my mom's in Helena and she's 65. She got a glimpse of Mick pacing the sideline and asked me, "Who's that old duffer?" I laughed for a solid minute. But ultimately it bothered me...how exactly does a 70-plus year old guy motivate a locker room full of twenty-somethings and younger? I just don't get it.

*disclaimer*
I respect Coach Delaney not alone in his career as a coach, but also as a dignified guy who steered the cadillac from the passenger seat right after the driver was shot in the head in a coup-style assassination. I wish him nothing but the best, especially next year.

It's not all about the age of being a coach, hell look at Jack Johnson, he was right up there with Delaney and did just fine motivating high school kids. Some people have what it takes to be head coach while others not so much. That isn't to say they don't have what it takes to be an assistant like position coach or whatnot but it doesn't matter how old a great leader may be as long as they have what it takes.

But...

Johnson was doing what he did a long time ago, retiring at that age now. Its different than starting out at that position at the same age. There's a clear difference.

Pardon the ridiculous pun, but get with the program...

Again, props to Coach Delaney.

What program, yours...you are all over the place talking about how old Delaney is and that he cannot motivate college age kids (mainly because of his age it seems) while at the same time giving him props. I was just saying that Johnson was and still is a heck of a coach around the same age that can still motivate high school age kids to play at a high level because I know, my nephew is currently on the team.

It is different starting out at that age rather than when Johnson did. Delaney tried a while back at NAIA level and did not fare so well before he hit senior citizen status. My point is that some people got it while others (will not mention any names ;) ) do not.
 
1Griz_Fan said:
CFallsGriz said:
1Griz_Fan said:
CFallsGriz said:
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THIS

I was watching a Griz away game and happened to be at my mom's in Helena and she's 65. She got a glimpse of Mick pacing the sideline and asked me, "Who's that old duffer?" I laughed for a solid minute. But ultimately it bothered me...how exactly does a 70-plus year old guy motivate a locker room full of twenty-somethings and younger? I just don't get it.

*disclaimer*
I respect Coach Delaney not alone in his career as a coach, but also as a dignified guy who steered the cadillac from the passenger seat right after the driver was shot in the head in a coup-style assassination. I wish him nothing but the best, especially next year.

It's not all about the age of being a coach, hell look at Jack Johnson, he was right up there with Delaney and did just fine motivating high school kids. Some people have what it takes to be head coach while others not so much. That isn't to say they don't have what it takes to be an assistant like position coach or whatnot but it doesn't matter how old a great leader may be as long as they have what it takes.

But...

Johnson was doing what he did a long time ago, retiring at that age now. Its different than starting out at that position at the same age. There's a clear difference.

Pardon the ridiculous pun, but get with the program...

Again, props to Coach Delaney.

What program, yours...you are all over the place talking about how old Delaney is and that he cannot motivate college age kids (mainly because of his age it seems) while at the same time giving him props. I was just saying that Johnson was and still is a heck of a coach around the same age that can still motivate high school age kids to play at a high level because I know, my nephew is currently on the team.

It is different starting out at that age rather than when Johnson did. Delaney tried a while back at NAIA level and did not fare so well before he hit senior citizen status. My point is that some people got it while others (will not mention any names ;) ) do not.


It was just an easy pun. I'm sorry you missed it.

I said props to Delaney for stepping in when asked to do so, and leading the program with dignity. Prior to that I mentioned the motivation and age issue. Re-read the post. In what way is that "all over the place?"

I didn't start the age conversation, I just agreed with it and added an opinion that many others share.

Have a nice day.
 
CFallsGriz said:
1Griz_Fan said:
CFallsGriz said:
1Griz_Fan said:
It's not all about the age of being a coach, hell look at Jack Johnson, he was right up there with Delaney and did just fine motivating high school kids. Some people have what it takes to be head coach while others not so much. That isn't to say they don't have what it takes to be an assistant like position coach or whatnot but it doesn't matter how old a great leader may be as long as they have what it takes.

But...

Johnson was doing what he did a long time ago, retiring at that age now. Its different than starting out at that position at the same age. There's a clear difference.

Pardon the ridiculous pun, but get with the program...

Again, props to Coach Delaney.

What program, yours...you are all over the place talking about how old Delaney is and that he cannot motivate college age kids (mainly because of his age it seems) while at the same time giving him props. I was just saying that Johnson was and still is a heck of a coach around the same age that can still motivate high school age kids to play at a high level because I know, my nephew is currently on the team.

It is different starting out at that age rather than when Johnson did. Delaney tried a while back at NAIA level and did not fare so well before he hit senior citizen status. My point is that some people got it while others (will not mention any names ;) ) do not.


It was just an easy pun. I'm sorry you missed it.

I said props to Delaney for stepping in when asked to do so, and leading the program with dignity. Prior to that I mentioned the motivation and age issue. Re-read the post. In what way is that "all over the place?"

I didn't start the age conversation, I just agreed with it and added an opinion that many others share.

Have a nice day.

It's all good. Sorry, I get where you are coming from but just think a person of that age could still coach at a high level. Delaney could have probably still been doing well as running back coach but the fact that he retired says a lot about his mindset so I agree with your thoughts on him personally being too old to take on such a big task. That said, I am glad Justin Green is running back coach and Delaney should focus on golf like he intended.

Have a good one
 
1Griz_Fan said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Two things

1. Jack Johnson isn't near the coach he was 20 years ago.

2. Ellis Henderson is head and shoulders better than Kupp......it's not even close.

May be so about Johnson yet he led CMR to three titles since 2001 including as recent as 2009.

And Kupp's numbers say otherwise (except avg), not knocking Henderson, just saying Kupp broke some records on Randy Moss's level. I suppose Hendo is head and shoulders better than Moss too. :roll:
EH had less than half the targets about half of Kupps receptions and still had a higher average per catch and TDs. Sorry if math isn't your strong suit and that EH didn't get more jump balls his way.
 
pussycatkillerz said:
Wonder how the '95 Griz would have faired against this NDSU squad?...
I recall them blowing the doors off teams in the playoffs even worse.

NDSU is legit
Coastal Carolina was a very good football team and I believe they were NDSU's greatest challenge on their way to the chipper.

Bison beat EWU by 35
Bison beat Towsen by plenty

Will be fun to take on the #1 team next year. I hope to hell they remain #1 through the first 3 games.
...pretty sure they will

I watched both teams and have good friends that played on the 95 team.....some of them agree with me.

Marshall held them to 22 points after they crushed everyone in the playoffs. 13 NDSU wouldn't have given up that many. The 95 defense would not have stopped the running game and would have been gutted in the 4th quarter.

Nobody is close to this Bison team.
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
pussycatkillerz said:
Wonder how the '95 Griz would have faired against this NDSU squad?...
I recall them blowing the doors off teams in the playoffs even worse.

NDSU is legit
Coastal Carolina was a very good football team and I believe they were NDSU's greatest challenge on their way to the chipper.

Bison beat EWU by 35
Bison beat Towsen by plenty

Will be fun to take on the #1 team next year. I hope to hell they remain #1 through the first 3 games.
...pretty sure they will

I watched both teams and have good friends that played on the 95 team.....some of them agree with me.

Marshall held them to 22 points after they crushed everyone in the playoffs. 13 NDSU wouldn't have given up that many. The 95 defense would not have stopped the running game and would have been gutted in the 4th quarter.

Nobody is close to this Bison team.

I would love to see them, at the level their playing at right now, go up against a team like Texas A&M or Alabama. Would be fun to watch.
 
pussycatkillerz said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
pussycatkillerz said:
Wonder how the '95 Griz would have faired against this NDSU squad?...
I recall them blowing the doors off teams in the playoffs even worse.

NDSU is legit
Coastal Carolina was a very good football team and I believe they were NDSU's greatest challenge on their way to the chipper.

Bison beat EWU by 35
Bison beat Towsen by plenty

Will be fun to take on the #1 team next year. I hope to hell they remain #1 through the first 3 games.
...pretty sure they will

I watched both teams and have good friends that played on the 95 team.....some of them agree with me.

Marshall held them to 22 points after they crushed everyone in the playoffs. 13 NDSU wouldn't have given up that many. The 95 defense would not have stopped the running game and would have been gutted in the 4th quarter.

Nobody is close to this Bison team.

I would love to see them, at the level their playing at right now, go up against a team like Texas A&M or Alabama. Would be fun to watch.

They would probably lose those games but if you matched them up with anyone outside the top 10 that defense would hold them in games and they win half of them. They could definitely beat Oregon the same way Stanford did......and Oregon could do even less to stop the run than they did against the tree.
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
1Griz_Fan said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Two things

1. Jack Johnson isn't near the coach he was 20 years ago.

2. Ellis Henderson is head and shoulders better than Kupp......it's not even close.

May be so about Johnson yet he led CMR to three titles since 2001 including as recent as 2009.

And Kupp's numbers say otherwise (except avg), not knocking Henderson, just saying Kupp broke some records on Randy Moss's level. I suppose Hendo is head and shoulders better than Moss too. :roll:
EH had less than half the targets about half of Kupps receptions and still had a higher average per catch and TDs. Sorry if math isn't your strong suit and that EH didn't get more jump balls his way.

I am aware of the numbers and per catch average along with TDs. Maybe had the Griz utilized more of a short to medium passing game Hendo could have had better numbers than he did with the go for broke deep threat offense. I am glad Hendo is a Griz and look forward to what he can do with better play calling and execution by the offense.
 
1Griz_Fan said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
Two things

1. Jack Johnson isn't near the coach he was 20 years ago.

2. Ellis Henderson is head and shoulders better than Kupp......it's not even close.

May be so about Johnson yet he led CMR to three titles since 2001 including as recent as 2009.

And Kupp's numbers say otherwise (except avg), not knocking Henderson, just saying Kupp broke some records on Randy Moss's level. I suppose Hendo is head and shoulders better than Moss too. :roll:

Major difference is that Baldwin is smart enough to put his playmakers in a position to make plays.
 
Why is there not more emphasis on defense in the Big Sky? It seems to me that if a Big Sky football program really, I mean REALLY, put some effort in developing an in-your-face defense, they would be very successful. I am guessing the Griz's 1995 and 2001 champ runs involved some very good defense.
 
BisonCardinal said:
Why is there not more emphasis on defense in the Big Sky? It seems to me that if a Big Sky football program really, I mean REALLY, put some effort in developing an in-your-face defense, they would be very successful. I am guessing the Griz's 1995 and 2001 champ runs involved some very good defense.

because you can beat up on teams like UNC, ISU and Weber with basically no defense at all. also, Cal Poly has a decent defense.
 
BisonCardinal said:
Why is there not more emphasis on defense in the Big Sky? It seems to me that if a Big Sky football program really, I mean REALLY, put some effort in developing an in-your-face defense, they would be very successful. I am guessing the Griz's 1995 and 2001 champ runs involved some very good defense.

The updated list of the Buck Buchanan Award winners seems to indicate that the Big Sky Conference is, and has been doing fairly well on defense.
 
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