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Andy Thompson
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rgrizfan said:
Was there even an opportunity to be missed?
https://twitter.com/lance_hartz/status/1073059099812814848
George Ferguson
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grizindabox said:
Nope. Not sure where the assumption that Baer was going to lose his job came from but it was absolutely groundless. And besides, Shann is likely the next Griz D coordinator unless Tim really wants to leave Philly, which is a VERY big assumption right now as well.
Maybe it's just me but I think if Bobby wanted Andy to be his DC he could have brought him in last year, considering the amount of turmoil at NAU. Having not done that and obviously not making a move now suggests to me that Bobby doesn't see Andy as a coach he wants on his staff.
56 of those points came off of turnovers, while another 28 came after a quick 3-and-out or turnover on downs. 48 of those came after the second or third consecutive turnover in a row.AZGrizFan said:
I mean, you're not wrong that the defense could've been better, but damn. Sounds like it wasn't the main problem.
That is not even close to what I'm suggesting. I'm simply pointing out a systemic issue with our offense that puts these "OMG, look how many points our defense gave up!" takes in perspective. 72% of those points given up came after the offense fucked up, and 41% after the offense fucked up multiple possessions in a row.AZGrizFan said:
We didn't have a great defense this year, but even the best defenses would've struggled with how many times our offense put them in a terrible position. That's all I'm saying.
Jaredkuehn
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Good for Andy Thompson, hopefully Southern Utah is a good move for him, and provides some stability in his career. Demario Warren is a defensive minded coach and the T-birds have had some good defenses over the past few years. I suspect he'll do well there.
That being said, and nothing against Andy, but I don't think of NAU as a defensive powerhouse. I haven't looked at the stats, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I think they have been a middling defense in the BSC, statistically. There is nothing that leads me to believe that having Andy Thompson on staff would drastically improve the Grizzly defense. I agree with Brint in that he probably could have talked Andy into coming back to Montana last year if he really wanted him on staff.
I agree that there really wasn't an opportunity to be had for the Grizzlies. But best of luck to Andy Thompson in his new position.
That being said, and nothing against Andy, but I don't think of NAU as a defensive powerhouse. I haven't looked at the stats, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I think they have been a middling defense in the BSC, statistically. There is nothing that leads me to believe that having Andy Thompson on staff would drastically improve the Grizzly defense. I agree with Brint in that he probably could have talked Andy into coming back to Montana last year if he really wanted him on staff.
I agree that there really wasn't an opportunity to be had for the Grizzlies. But best of luck to Andy Thompson in his new position.
AZGrizFan said:
Do you really think that Baer was responsible for those runs? Did he cause the Griz fumbles and turnovers by the O? Did he give up the long punt return?
The runs had nothing to do with lack of depth, lack of experience, some injuries, playing against some good teams (like playoff teams, including Davis and UNI, or even the Cats)?
UM gave up 48 in the 3d quarter (low), and 134 in the 4th quarter (high). UM scored 83 (2d low) and 72 (low) in the 3d and 4th quarters, respectively. Did the UM D and Baer cause the O to score so little in the second half?
I knew that you were a specialist in head coaches and quarterbacks, but didn't know you were also a specialist in defense.
AZGrizFan said:
I always hold coaches accountable, and certain never give them a pass
Germer was responsible for cobbling together and teaching a young, inexperienced, and injury ridden group of player. I don't believe the o-line was shitty, but, of course, not good. It improved during the season, too. Feel free to ask any Griz coach, and I assume any Griz o-lineman, what they think of Germer and how he coached this season. He had the toughest job of the coaches this year.
Baer had some responsibility for how the D played this year, but he is certainly not the primary reason for the late-game collapses. I'm sorry, but he didn't forget how to coach in the 4th quarter, after usually getting good results, and presumably coaching well, in the 3d quarter.
Do you really not realize that a team's performance in individual games is far more often than not, based on how the players played, their execution, the number of mistakes, the numbers of turnovers by the O, and how the other team executed?
I must to admit that I often laugh out loud when I see posters who I can tell don't understand the game, say that our coaches got out coached, or out coached in the second half, or 4th quarter.
That's an extremely good point, and I'd even go as far as to say as scapegoat-able as Semore was his two years as DC, I don't know if his defenses were ever quite as bad as they looked, because they seemed to look the worst when the offense couldn't get anything going, or were actively putting them behind the 8-ball.AZGrizFan said:
So, to sum up, I don't think either DC's defenses were good, but both had to deal with being put in bad spots (I'd argue more often than your average team) by their schizophrenic offenses. I'd also like to add that multiple players/people told me that Semore's schemes were pretty solid, but he couldn't ever get his guys to effectively execute on them, which is a failure on his part as DC.
Definitely not giving them a pass, just context.
