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Joining the Mountain West would run an $8MM - $9MM annual deficit - can we overcome that?

What really get me going is that we and the scats only get something like 10k for the brawl for media deal. That is insane!!! How much do you think we could sell that game alone to a media partner for national audience. Right now it is just local or regional. The montana schools are doing all the heavy lifting for the big sky and we get shit on every year. Now the big sky says that ESPN has to have a game other than the montana schools. No one gives 2 shits about the other schools in conference. Just look at their attendance. If it wasn't for the montana schools the big sky would be equal to the Southland or the patriot conferences.
Again adapt or die, new leadership is needed this is perfect example. For years while Boise State was in the MWC, their AD and President made sure they received a higher media deal than rest of the conference schools because they had better brand recognition and attendance numbers. Again what is UM leadership doing.
 
And go where?
Adapt or die. What have UMs AD and president done over last 4-5 years to position themselves for an invite. Look at NDSU they have been investing/ pursuing FBS for years. UC Davis same, SAC St been aggressively pursuing so is Tarleton State who’s expected to move to fbs in 2027.

Next Tv media contracts come up for renewal in 2030, what is UM leadership doing to prepare for invite.
 
Adapt or die. What have UMs AD and president done over last 4-5 years to position themselves for an invite. Look at NDSU they have been investing/ pursuing FBS for years. UC Davis same, SAC St been aggressively pursuing so is Tarleton State who’s expected to move to fbs in 2027.

Next Tv media contracts come up for renewal in 2030, what is UM leadership doing to prepare for invite.
Sounds like a non answer.
 
FBS is just something we cannot afford, lets focus on winning at the level we are at right now.
Been doing a deep dive on this with updated 2025 figures and honestly the numbers are even rougher than the old analyses floating around. Some of this has already been called out in this thread and is redundant, but its not pretty, buckle up.


The Buy-In


Using NDSU as the comp (most recent FCS → MW transition), we're looking at $5M to the NCAA for reclassification plus $12.5M to the Mountain West as an entry fee — about $7M due on day one, rest paid over 5 years. That's $17.5M just to walk in the door. NDSU ran a "Climb the Mountain" donor campaign that raised ~$25M to cover this. Montana would need something similar.


The New MW TV Deal Is Not What You Think


A lot of people are still using the old $6-7M per school figure. That was the old deal. The new contract (CBS/Fox/The CW/Kiswe streaming) is actually worse — legacy schools are guaranteed their current ~$3.5M floor, but here's the kicker: under the NDSU model, new members don't get full distributions for six years. We'd realistically be collecting $1.5-2M/year in conference money while paying full FBS operating costs. That ramp-up period is brutal.


The Contractual Spending Trap


This is the part nobody talks about. Buried in NDSU's membership agreement is a clause requiring them to maintain a football budget "reasonably comparable" to the league average and if they fall below a 50% win rate in conference, they're required to raise their budget above the MW average. Nevada's football budget alone is ~$14.8M. Ours is well under $10M. That's not a gap you close quietly.


The Full Picture


Running the numbers on a stabilized Year 3-4 budget:


Revenue comes in around $32-37M when you factor in conference distributions (reduced), ticket revenue, boosters, and guarantee games. Expenses, once you account for jumping from 63 to 85 scholarships, FBS coaching salaries, national travel, non-football sports upgrades, and House settlement athlete payments run $54-65M.


That's an $18-30M annual structural deficit. Every year. For years.


Over the full first decade you're probably looking at $17.5M in buy-in costs plus $200M+ in cumulative deficits before the program approaches sustainability. You'd need the donor campaign, significant student fee hikes, and realistically some state legislature support (I know, I know) to make it work long-term.

We all know the brand is there. The fanbase is there. Washington-Grizzly on a fall Saturday is genuinely FBS-caliber in atmosphere. But the balance sheet isn't and unlike NDSU, which spent years quietly building infrastructure specifically aimed at this move, we'd be going in without that runway.


Not saying never. Saying it would take a decade-long institutional commitment and probably needs to start with a serious facilities push before a conference application even makes sense.
 
it has probably already been said, but if the basketball team was a lot better, umontana would have a better chance at joining the mwc, plus probably not lose so much money per year after doing so.
 
If UM moved up, the ticket price increases would be alot more than $7.50. Do fans in the MW travel much to follow their teams? I don't know.
How do we know for sure tha we can’t move up for financial reasons? What allows so many other teams to make the change and we can’t? Have we considered the benefits gained by our other sports such as competition in a stronger conference? I seem to recall the Mountain West qualified two or three teams for the NCAA basketball tournament last year?
 
FBS is just something we cannot afford, lets focus on winning at the level we are at right now.
Been doing a deep dive on this with updated 2025 figures and honestly the numbers are even rougher than the old analyses floating around. Some of this has already been called out in this thread and is redundant, but its not pretty, buckle up.


The Buy-In


Using NDSU as the comp (most recent FCS → MW transition), we're looking at $5M to the NCAA for reclassification plus $12.5M to the Mountain West as an entry fee — about $7M due on day one, rest paid over 5 years. That's $17.5M just to walk in the door. NDSU ran a "Climb the Mountain" donor campaign that raised ~$25M to cover this. Montana would need something similar.


The New MW TV Deal Is Not What You Think


A lot of people are still using the old $6-7M per school figure. That was the old deal. The new contract (CBS/Fox/The CW/Kiswe streaming) is actually worse — legacy schools are guaranteed their current ~$3.5M floor, but here's the kicker: under the NDSU model, new members don't get full distributions for six years. We'd realistically be collecting $1.5-2M/year in conference money while paying full FBS operating costs. That ramp-up period is brutal.


The Contractual Spending Trap



This is the part nobody talks about. Buried in NDSU's membership agreement is a clause requiring them to maintain a football budget "reasonably comparable" to the league average and if they fall below a 50% win rate in conference, they're required to raise their budget above the MW average. Nevada's football budget alone is ~$14.8M. Ours is well under $10M. That's not a gap you close quietly.


The Full Picture


Running the numbers on a stabilized Year 3-4 budget:


Revenue comes in around $32-37M when you factor in conference distributions (reduced), ticket revenue, boosters, and guarantee games. Expenses, once you account for jumping from 63 to 85 scholarships, FBS coaching salaries, national travel, non-football sports upgrades, and House settlement athlete payments run $54-65M.


That's an $18-30M annual structural deficit. Every year. For years.


Over the full first decade you're probably looking at $17.5M in buy-in costs plus $200M+ in cumulative deficits before the program approaches sustainability. You'd need the donor campaign, significant student fee hikes, and realistically some state legislature support (I know, I know) to make it work long-term.

We all know the brand is there. The fanbase is there. Washington-Grizzly on a fall Saturday is genuinely FBS-caliber in atmosphere. But the balance sheet isn't and unlike NDSU, which spent years quietly building infrastructure specifically aimed at this move, we'd be going in without that runway.


Not saying never. Saying it would take a decade-long institutional commitment and probably needs to start with a serious facilities push before a conference application even makes sense.
You are confusing the Toal MWC conference payout to school with the MWC TV/Media Deal payout. MWC paid out about $6.3 million to Wyoming last year total, of which approx 3.5 million was TV money. Numbers in new Media Deal and total conference payout look about the same for full members, I agree Football only, like NDSU, will get less.
 
How do we know for sure tha we can’t move up for financial reasons? What allows so many other teams to make the change and we can’t? Have we considered the benefits gained by our other sports such as competition in a stronger conference? I seem to recall the Mountain West qualified two or three teams for the NCAA basketball tournament last year?
To be successful, you need alot of money to move to FBS. Some FCS schools that move up, don't care about or reach success. See Idaho.

Most schools moving up count on and receive good revenue from increasing ticket prices and increasing attendance. Montana already has high prices and high attendance. So, there is less "room" to increase those things. Most schools moving up don't already have full capacity at games/stadiums and a large number of season tickets. Those schools have extra seating in their existing stadium. Montana doesn't. No ability to increase attendance without spending the money and taking the time to expand the stadium.

Most schools moving have seem to have larger or much larger enrollments. Thus, they can more easily raise larger sums of money via student athletic fees.

Moving to FBS is much more expense now than it used to be. This includes the actual buy-in fee of the NCAA. And buy-in fees of some conferences. And the trend is for conferences not to share any tv/conference revenue in early years and/or to share at a discount.

I don't know what local business support that schools moving up get or can get. I assume that's depends on the school and location and is mixed.

At least, Montana is in a better position now with facilities. Obviously, the stadium has been expanded. And the Performance Center, Academic Center and Indoor Practice facility have been built. This was the case a decade or so ago.

I'm sure there are other reasons too.
 
Yeah the Snowbowl is the only place that would be feasible near us. I’m not sure what the requirements are for a ski area to host an NCAA team. Snowbowl is below average for western resorts but is still better than the vast majority of ski areas out east.
Snow Bowl has hosted many ski racing events. Don't see why they couldn't accommodate a UM ski team.
 
The money is in football, not basketball.
Not true, well maybe true in the big sky. The 2025 NCAA Tournament, the Mountain West Conference received approximately 12 million in revenue from its 6 units earned by teams. The more teams in the tournament means more money. The big sky is only a one bid league. Hence the move up.
 
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