BREACH OF CONTRACT

[argh!]

His intent when retiring was not to immediately take another college job. The Illinois job became available to him almost a week after he retired.

i dunno, i think he made it pretty clear in the press conference that he was planning on continuing to coach after the montana job, and that he expected/hoped he would be getting calls right after the news went out.

my take is that he wasn't really 'retiring'. why he chose that term when it wasn't really his intention, i do not know.

 

[argh!]

this is the definition of retire (below). hauck, according to his own words, wasn't retiring. he was quitting his job for something different.

re·tire
/rəˈtī(ə)r/
verb
verb: retire; 3rd person present: retires; past tense: retired; past participle: retired; gerund or present participle: retiring

1. 1.
   leave one's job and cease to work, typically upon reaching the normal age for leaving employment.

 

[wbtfg]

Objectively, it’s clear by his actions he resigned rather than retire. It doesn’t matter how he tries slapping lipstick on this pig by calling it a retirement.

Is it possible to retire from the University of Montana but not retire from coaching?

 

[rocklobster]

Yeah I don’t know. Would life be better if I was retarded and had no ability to engage with other high iq individuals? I’ll never know.

IF you were "retarded ". Could change your choice of words there, but your vocabulary serms pretty finite.

 

[WildhorseGriz]

OMG...Bobby would never have planned this out...Lol....personally I just wish
he would have come clean...he had a great run, but he clearly hit the ceiling
and UM will be better for it that he moved on...Vigen had his number and
the odds were stack against him, he wasn't getting the recruits he wanted,
so he went for greener pastures....I don't blame him ...better money and setting
up Robbie for future FBS coaching positions...we get it.

....he just should have come clean instead he is playing the politician, was it
worth it in the end , he just should have paid 250k and moved on...

 

[DayLaw]

He did retire for 7 days.

That’s not how that works in a contract like this. I don’t know what else to tell you. Do some legal research and read the contract.

That honestly would create absurd results to get out of an employment contract early using that. Just a wild example to highlight my point…. y Caleb Williams “retiring” for 7 days just to get away from the Bears just to join a LA team.

Hauck will settle I am sure. I’m sure it will be done quietly but it’s a breach either way you look at it.

 

[br fan]

Is it possible to retire from the University of Montana but not retire from coaching?

That’s not how that works in a contract like this. I don’t

 

[br fan]

That’s not how that works in a contract like this. I don’t know what else to tell you. Do some legal research and read the contract.

That honestly would create absurd results to get out of an employment contract early using that. Just a wild example to highlight my point…. y Caleb Williams “retiring” for 7 days just to get away from the Bears just to join a LA team.

Hauck will settle I am sure. I’m sure it will be done quietly but it’s a breach either way you look at it.

Agree. Substance over form.

 

[nicktaber58]

That’s not how that works in a contract like this. I don’t know what else to tell you. Do some legal research and read the contract.

That honestly would create absurd results to get out of an employment contract early using that. Just a wild example to highlight my point…. y Caleb Williams “retiring” for 7 days just to get away from the Bears just to join a LA team.

Hauck will settle I am sure. I’m sure it will be done quietly but it’s a breach either way you look at it.

Honest question. And I am in no way, shape, or form criticizing nor defending anyone in this. But wasn't it obvious, when bobby went out of his way to clearly state he was retiring from being a head coach, and further clearly stated that his phone was ringing and hed do something in football, just not be a head coach, in the near future,that he had this intention, and most likely not a breach?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

It would have been simple for the parties to define “retirement” based on the provisions of the Montana Public Retirement System. If they didn’t define it that specifically, I’m not sure you could make a claim now that there was a breach of contract. But I haven’t seen the contract language.

 

[argh!]

Honest question. And I am in no way, shape, or form criticizing nor defending anyone in this. But wasn't it obvious, when bobby went out of his way to clearly state he was retiring from being a head coach, and further clearly stated that his phone was ringing and hed do something in football, just not be a head coach, in the near future,that he had this intention, and most likely not a breach?

my view is that quitting a job with a certain title in order to take another job with different responsibilities is not 'retirement', it's resigning, and happens all the time.

 

[brewskis]

my view is that quitting a job with a certain title in order to take another job with different responsibilities is not 'retirement', it's resigning, and happens all the time.

Listening to Bobby’s recap of the events make it sound like a resignation. He stepped down, and he was happy that his phone was ringing with opportunities.

Editing for further clarity. He also stated his dissatisfaction with being head coach, and his desire to coach at a different role.

I would think the university would want to pursue damages.

 

[argh!]

It would have been simple for the parties to define “retirement” based on the provisions of the Montana Public Retirement System. If they didn’t define it that specifically, I’m not sure you could make a claim now that there was a breach of contract. But I haven’t seen the contract language.

does the word 'retirement' really need a belabored explanation, even in a contract? it seems like common knowledge/understanding would define retirement as... retirement. i'm pretty sure saying 'i planned on finding another job' indicates hauck was not really retiring.

having said that, i know, i know, legalese can twist the truth to the benefit of one person or entity.

 

[EverettGriz]

Is it possible to retire from the University of Montana but not retire from coaching?

Yes, of course. People in all walks of life do this. They retire from a company in order to receive their retirement benefits, and then go work elsewhere. It's still a retirement.

I have a good friend who works as a field agent for the DEA. He had a forced retirement at 55. He doesn't want to be done working, so he's actively looking for a new job in a different field. But he definitely retired from the DEA.

 

[nicktaber58]

my view is that quitting a job with a certain title in order to take another job with different responsibilities is not 'retirement', it's resigning, and happens all the time.

Perhaps... but that is not at all how it was discussed at any point in the press conference, nor ever communicated by bobby, nor the athletic dept. Not one bit. In the entire scope of it, it was Bobby's retirement from head coaching. Which im fine with!

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I was not a Hauck supporter at all. In fact I have not attended a single game after Stitt was let go but will this season with the new coach. It is outrageous to have an issue with him retiring and then taking a job that was offered to him and he didn’t seek out, after he had finalized retiring at UM.

Have you not supported the University then since Still was not renewed?

 

[nicktaber58]

Yes, of course. People in all walks of life do this. They retire from a company in order to receive their retirement benefits, and then go work elsewhere. It's still a retirement.

I have a good friend who works as a field agent for the DEA. He had a forced retirement at 55. He doesn't want to be done working, so he's actively looking for a new job in a different field. But he definitely retired from the DEA.

 

[406football]

They had this planned at least as far back as the AFCA convention in January. It was just a matter of Bielema finding a landing spot for his young DC, Aaron Henry, who he was very close to. Bielema recruited him to Wisconsin out of high school and brought him up through the coaching ranks..

As soon Bret got him on with Notre Dame as Co-DC (Feb 1) he finalized things with Hauck and he “retired” Feb 4.

If Bielema could have moved Henry last year, Hauck would have been in Champaign in 2025. He was willing to wait on Henry and miss out on the hiring cycle for 26 because Hauck was already lined up.

Hauck slipped in that presser and brought up their discussions at the AFCA last month.

The University will not win a lawsuit if they pursue.

 

[406football]

anybody know what the contract language says? Where is the proof there was breach?

 

[mthoopsfan]

No…he was allowed out for “death”, “incapacity”, “retirement”. All of those terms together the intent is clear. He didn’t retire though because retire means not take another college coaching job. Looking at the contract it’s favorable that frame of legal analysis . AND UM has suffered prejudice (damages) arguably by having a competitive disadvantage with the portal opening again and coaches leaving due to this change.

No, “retire” means retire from UM.