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Hauck to Illinois

Norsky19 said:
If you have a Grubner type at nose, which it sounds like Illinois does, the 3-3-5 is a great defense. It's all about personnel. You have a short memory. A nose who stuffs the A gaps allows the rest of the defense to scrape anywhere on the field and it's very difficult for pulling guards to get out in space to block it effectively. Plus there are so many stunts that are used out of it to confuse blocking schemes.
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If it was actually a good defense, you'd see it more commonly as a base defense.

None of the elite schools do, and of the schools that run a 3-3-5 as an occasional package, none of them run it the way that UM has the past few years. Any defense is going to do well with a good nose tackle, but there are other defenses that can help with other shortcomings more than the 3-3-5 that Bobby runs does.
 
Marty11 said:
I'm having a difficult time understanding how retirement would nullify a buyout, if there was one in place. I would guess if there was a buyout clause then there must be some type of timeframe after announcing retirement that must pass or the retirement clause would be nullified.

Reason being why would not every coach that are being hired away just announce that they're going into retirement before accepting the new job.
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Bobcat99 said:
If it was actually a good defense, you'd see it more commonly as a base defense.

None of the elite schools do, and of the schools that run a 3-3-5 as an occasional package, none of them run it the way that UM has the past few years. Any defense is going to do well with a good nose tackle, but there are other defenses that can help with other shortcomings more than the 3-3-5 that Bobby runs does.
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I don't have a particular affinity for our brand of the 3-3-5, but to me this whole "no one runs it" argument is kind of silly, given how not that long ago, not many in college football ran the dominating 4-2-5 that exists today.

Although probably unlikely, if he actually finds success at Illinois with the resources they have to get the kind of athletes we never could here at UM, it wouldn't shock me to see other schools try to emulate it. Like Bobby always said, "everyone is always copying everyone".

I'm pretty intrigued to see how it works out for them.
 
Montanabob said:
Portal opens today! 15 days to see who leaves!

I say 11 to 20 range.
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I'll guess it's very close to 0 who jump in the portal. That's the real shame with his late decision, it left the kids with very little opportunity to move if they wanted. At this point the NILs are all locked up by those who hit the portal earlier. There's very little left. So if a Griz player wants to transfer because Hauck stepped down, they're going to have to do it without NIL.

Hauck gets a pay raise, the kids get screwed. Hmm.
 
FarmCat said:
I'll guess it's very close to 0 who jump in the portal. That's the real shame with his late decision, it left the kids with very little opportunity to move if they wanted. At this point the NILs are all locked up by those who hit the portal earlier. There's very little left. So if a Griz player wants to transfer because Hauck stepped down, they're going to have to do it without NIL.

Hauck gets a pay raise, the kids get screwed. Hmm.
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Nobody is getting screwed, players are here because they want to be and most I assume are comfortable given the transitional nature of the coaching change. BK was with the program and most of the coaching staff remains in place. If it turns out to be horrible and someone feels they aren't getting the opportunity they can look at the portal in the fall...
 
So latest tweet shows the ILL coach talking about this without naming names but saying he had the guy....on signing day. Soooooo he was totally poached.
 
MontanaGrizSoccer said:
The whole thing smells rotten, the AD knew, he didn’t get a text at last minute then summon senior leadship and all of a sudden promote BK. The players don’t need to goto ILL, they can goto any team they want.

Another egg on your face moment for the AD, plus by retiring he avoids the 250k buyout in his contract.
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He retired as the head coach. He's not taking another head coaching job.
 
uofmman1122 said:
I don't have a particular affinity for our brand of the 3-3-5, but to me this whole "no one runs it" argument is kind of silly, given how not that long ago, not many in college football ran the dominating 4-2-5 that exists today.

Although probably unlikely, if he actually finds success at Illinois with the resources they have to get the kind of athletes we never could here at UM, it wouldn't shock me to see other schools try to emulate it. Like Bobby always said, "everyone is always copying everyone".

I'm pretty intrigued to see how it works out for them.
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I get what you're saying, but I don't agree with you.

You're viewing it from the wrong perspective. Yes, the 3-3-5 works better if you have better athletes (much like every single defense ever), and yes Illinois will get better athletes than UM did, but they won't be getting better athletes comparatively than what UM did.

UM is a better recruiting program than what, all of maybe 10 programs at the FCS level, and I'm being incredibly generous to the other 10 programs. I know you guys like to act like Gubner is a once in a lifetime lineman at the FCS level, and don't get me wrong, he was very good, but we've seen NFL DT's come out of the FCS in recent years! Plenty of other programs at the FCS level were recruiting and developing good to very good DT's, there's no reason that Gubner should have been the only one that UM got.

Anyways, I digress. UM was one of the best recruiting FCS programs in the nation. Now, while Illinois is going to get better athletes than what UM has been able to, they are not one of the best recruiting FBS programs in the nation. They're not even close to the best in their own conference. While the overall athlete may be better, Illinois is going to be recruiting at a worse level compared to their competition than UM did. We've seen what happens with the 3-3-5 when you get better players than nearly all your competition...it's what UM has been doing the entire tenure of Bobby 2.0.
 
Bobcat99 said:
I get what you're saying, but I don't agree with you.

You're viewing it from the wrong perspective. Yes, the 3-3-5 works better if you have better athletes (much like every single defense ever), and yes Illinois will get better athletes than UM did, but they won't be getting better athletes comparatively than what UM did.

UM is a better recruiting program than what, all of maybe 10 programs at the FCS level, and I'm being incredibly generous to the other 10 programs. I know you guys like to act like Gubner is a once in a lifetime lineman at the FCS level, and don't get me wrong, he was very good, but we've seen NFL DT's come out of the FCS in recent years! Plenty of other programs at the FCS level were recruiting and developing good to very good DT's, there's no reason that Gubner should have been the only one that UM got.

Anyways, I digress. UM was one of the best recruiting FCS programs in the nation. Now, while Illinois is going to get better athletes than what UM has been able to, they are not one of the best recruiting FBS programs in the nation. They're not even close to the best in their own conference. While the overall athlete may be better, Illinois is going to be recruiting at a worse level compared to their competition than UM did. We've seen what happens with the 3-3-5 when you get better players than nearly all your competition...it's what UM has been doing the entire tenure of Bobby 2.0.
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I'm sorry, but there's so much in this post that's just not true. lol

First off, a top FCS DL is generally nowhere near the athlete that even a marginal DL in the Big 10 is. If they wanted to make it a priority, they could land some of the best defensive recruits in the country.

You're also describing a program like yours, or NDSU, or SDSU when they were winning it all.

That is not and hasn't been us, especially on defense.

Illinois had a DT who was the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year in 2023. They are fully capable of getting players that can excel in that defense who are better than the athletes from even other top Big 10 teams.

I am not saying it will be great, it may get absolutely shredded, but your argument that "no one uses it, therefore it is bad" I don't find very compelling, especially since a team of this level has not used it until now.
 
uofmman1122 said:
I'm sorry, but there's so much in this post that's just not true. lol

First off, a top FCS DL is generally nowhere near the athlete that even a marginal DL in the Big 10 is. If they wanted to make it a priority, they could land some of the best defensive recruits in the country.

You're also describing a program like yours, or NDSU, or SDSU when they were winning it all.

That is not and hasn't been us, especially on defense.

Illinois had a DT who was the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year in 2023. They are fully capable of getting players that can excel in that defense who are better than the athletes from even other top Big 10 teams.

I am not saying it will be great, it may get absolutely shredded, but your argument that "no one uses it, therefore it is bad" I don't find very compelling, especially since a team of this level has not used it until now.
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You're entirely ignoring the comparatively part.

Illinois is not a better program compared to their peers than UM is to theirs. If it didn't work at UM, where 90% of their talent is better than the other teams, it's not going to work at Illinois. Yes, a DT at Illinois is going to be better than at UM. Hell, Gubner wouldn't have started for the top FBS teams. I'm not saying that Illinois is worse than UM, I'm just saying that they're worse compared to their peers than UM was to theirs.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but your program shouldn't be any different than MSU or SDSU. They should consistently be a title contender.
 
TheNorthRemembers said:
I'm not saying you have to win every year but surely after 14 years and 151 wins at least one of those might have been in the National Championship. Vigen has had a extremely similar start to his career but the difference is I see Scheels full of Cats national championship shirts right now.
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What size did you buy?
 
Bobcat99 said:
You're entirely ignoring the comparatively part.

Illinois is not a better program compared to their peers than UM is to theirs. If it didn't work at UM, where 90% of their talent is better than the other teams, it's not going to work at Illinois. Yes, a DT at Illinois is going to be better than at UM. Hell, Gubner wouldn't have started for the top FBS teams. I'm not saying that Illinois is worse than UM, I'm just saying that they're worse compared to their peers than UM was to theirs.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but your program shouldn't be any different than MSU or SDSU. They should consistently be a title contender.
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But it has been! That's the point! lol

Our DTs and DEs have been smaller and less athletic compared to the majority of FCS teams. It works because the rest of the defense is as good or better. This has been a consistent problem for years.

If they have a similar problem at UI, it will have the same results, but they have access to much better athletes, so I am not yet convinced it's a surefire failure waiting to happen.

This is the highest profile team with the best recruiting that has used this form of the 3-3-5 by a long shot. I'm interested to see if it can work.
 
uofmman1122 said:
But it has been! That's the point! lol

Our DTs and DEs have been smaller and less athletic compared to the majority of FCS teams. It works because the rest of the defense is as good or better. This has been a consistent problem for years.

If they have a similar problem at UI, it will have the same results, but they have access to much better athletes, so I am not yet convinced it's a surefire failure waiting to happen.

This is the highest profile team with the best recruiting that has used this form of the 3-3-5 by a long shot. I'm interested to see if it can work.
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The only reason you haven't had better DT's and DE's is because of recruiting inefficiencies and developmental issues. If Idaho State can recruit a good DT, so can UM. I cannot stress this enough, UM wasn't getting DT's because of being FCS, they weren't getting them because of your coaches.
 
Bobcat99 said:
The only reason you haven't had better DT's and DE's is because of recruiting inefficiencies and developmental issues. If Idaho State can recruit a good DT, so can UM. I cannot stress this enough, UM wasn't getting DT's because of being FCS, they weren't getting them because of your coaches.
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Yes, and now it's at a school where recruiting is mainly handled by a dedicated team that has produced 21 NFL players (9 drafted) over the last 3 seasons. Comparing them to us is not apples to apples!

It's funny, you're the one that started by saying we have outstanding recruiting/development compared to the rest of FCS, and now you're saying the opposite! ;)
 
uofmman1122 said:
Yes, and now it's at a school where recruiting is mainly handled by a dedicated team that has produced 21 NFL players (9 drafted) over the last 3 seasons. Comparing them to us is not apples to apples!

It's funny, you're the one that started by saying we have outstanding recruiting/development compared to the rest of FCS, and now you're saying the opposite! ;)
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You are better than 90% of the FCS, but you should be better than what you've doing at the DT position. It's not an impossible position to recruit. Overall your recruiting has been quite good, however your recruiting at the DT position has been quite poor relative to what you should be getting.
 
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