Griz Football Product

[horribilisfan8184]

The Griz football product is top notch. Huge attendance. Fun atmosphere. Largest season tickets ever. Season sell outs. Highest QB Club membership ever. Lots of tv. Many home games and playoff games. More new facilities every few years. Very good and generally successful team. 13 wins and semis this season. Very good coaching. Very good cheer squad and band. Top mascot. High academics of team. See Botner. No off-field problems by players or coaches. Good community involvement by players. Good fund-raising. Good NIL. Haslam deserves considerable credit.

I don’t listen to the music, don’t care about it, and leave that to you experts. I suppose when you don’t know much about the game, you focus more on things like music.

There were 129 football teams in the FCS in 2025. Outside of two Dakota and one other Montana college, 125 teams would love to have the Griz's level of success, and would give their HC a lifetime contract with Bobby's track record. Would I like to see us doing better? Sure. But I'm not going to act like last year wasn't a successful year. There is only one NC winner each year. College football is turning coaches into drywall experts, re-tape and re-mud each year through the portal. So far the Griz staff has shown to be quite accomplished at this, IMHO.

 

[Hulapoops]

There were 129 football teams in the FCS in 2025. Outside of two Dakota and one other Montana college, 125 teams would love to have the Griz's level of success, and would give their HC a lifetime contract with Bobby's track record. Would I like to see us doing better? Sure. But I'm not going to act like last year wasn't a successful year. There is only one NC winner each year. College football is turning coaches into drywall experts, re-tape and re-mud each year through the portal. So far the Griz staff has shown to be quite accomplished at this, IMHO.

Good is the enemy of great. I’d risk not being “good” for the chance to be “great” again. Especially if I were Booby and laid out the things needed to be great as my success metrics when groveling to get my old job back.

Also worth pointing out that of those 125 teams in FCS very few, if any, have had the advantages that Bobby has had.

 

[5280Griz]

Good is the enemy of great. I’d risk not being “good” for the chance to be “great” again. Especially if I were Booby and laid out the things needed to be great as my success metrics when groveling to get my old job back.

Also worth pointing out that of those 125 teams in FCS very few, if any, had the advantages that Bobby has had.

When it comes to fan support and the stadium, no one in the FCS including MSU and both DSUs have the advantages that UM does.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Good is the enemy of great. I’d risk not being “good” for the chance to be “great” again. Especially if I were Booby and laid out the things needed to be great as my success metrics when groveling to get my old job back.

Also worth pointing out that of those 125 teams in FCS very few, if any, have had the advantages that Bobby has had.

There it is. The "Bobby and Griz have to be perfect every year or they suck" crowd has spoken. Ever notice how entitled fans are super touchy.

 

[SoldierGriz]

From 2001-2015 there were 11 players who came to the Griz from Billings West and 6 from Butte High School. You are out to lunch again. Post less before researching your post.

Wrong. You are a fraud and everyone here knows it.

Delete your account.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

There were 129 football teams in the FCS in 2025. Outside of two Dakota and one other Montana college, 125 teams would love to have the Griz's level of success, and would give their HC a lifetime contract with Bobby's track record. Would I like to see us doing better? Sure. But I'm not going to act like last year wasn't a successful year. There is only one NC winner each year. College football is turning coaches into drywall experts, re-tape and re-mud each year through the portal. So far the Griz staff has shown to be quite accomplished at this, IMHO.

Who are our peers though?

The two Dakota States and MSU who have won every national title for the last decade? Or the other 125 teams in the subdivision?

No one is asking for this staff to build teams that meet the goal of beating the Cats and bringing home a conference championship every year. That is not a realistic standard given the state of affairs and the randomness inherent in college football. But what you can ask for, with the resources at the staff’s disposal in comparison to the rest of the competition on our schedule, is to achieve those goals more often than once a decade.

Those teams who would kill for what we have, would kill for what we have *because* they’re not us. A high standard is a privilege we get.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

There it is. The "Bobby and Griz have to be perfect every year or they suck" crowd has spoken. Ever notice how entitled fans are super touchy.

It’s not every year. It’s more than once a decade.

 

[mthoopsfan]

What is there to be jealous of? Your posts portray you as an insecure and weak old man. Bottom of the barrel is another way to describe it.

I am highly confident. Everyone who kniws me well knows that.

 

[Hulapoops]

There it is. The "Bobby and Griz have to be perfect every year or they suck" crowd has spoken. Ever notice how entitled fans are super touchy.

Yeah, I’d say I’d settle for just a .250 win pct in championship games Booby does make.

 

[5280Griz]

I am highly confident. Everyone who kniws me well knows that.

Everyone who kniws you? What does that mean?

 

[Hulapoops]

I am highly confident. Everyone who kniws me well knows that.

Confident

Socially Inept

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

Who are our peers though?

The two Dakota States and MSU who have won every national title for the last decade? Or the other 125 teams in the subdivision?

No one is asking for this staff to build teams that meet the goal of beating the Cats and bringing home a conference championship every year. That is not a realistic standard given the state of affairs and the randomness inherent in college football. But what you can ask for, with the resources at the staff’s disposal in comparison to the rest of the competition on our schedule, is to achieve those goals more often than once a decade.

Those teams who would kill for what we have, would kill for what we have *because* they’re not us. A high standard is a privilege we get.

The question is simple: is not winning a national championship for 24 years acceptable and up to standard for the Montana Grizzlies?

Let me remind you that NONE of the Dakotas were Division I the last time Montana won a national title. NDSU has only been D1 since 2004. South Dakota State, South Dakota and North Dakota have only been D1 since 2008. Montana had played in six FCS national championship games in the span of 12 years when the Missouri Valley Football Conference as even formed as a league in 2008.

Since then, the Missouri Valley has won TWELVE national titles. A league that has been around for less than two decades made up of the old DII North Central Conference has won almost twice as many D I-AA/FCS national titles than the ENTIRE Big Sky Conference, which has been playing in I-AA since its advent in 1978.

Montana, Montana State, the Dakotas are all playing FBS football in the FCS. There are 60-ish Group of 5 schools. Less than 10 could "drop down" and win the Big Sky or the MVFC. Because of the support, passion and quality of football from the MonDak crew.

It's basically written in stone who the Top 4 in the FCS are going to be for the foreseeable future. The only schools that will threaten NSDSU, SDSU, MSU and UM are North Dakota, South Dakota and UC Davis (who's probably out to the MW sooner than later). And maybe Tarleton State. Other than that, it's the MonDak bowl forever more until it all fractures.

Since 2011:

NDSU has 198 wins, 12 conference titles, 10 national titles and has played in the semifinals every season but this season.

SDSU has 146 wins, four conference titles and has played in seven semifinals and three championship games since 2017, winning two national titles.

Montana State 140 wins, six conference titles, has played in the semifinals five of the last six years, has been to three title games and now has a national title.

Montana has 127 wins, has been to two semis, one title game, has one league title.

Food for thought.

 

[Znelson15]

The question is simple: is not winning a national championship for 24 years acceptable and up to standard for the Montana Grizzlies?

Let me remind you that NONE of the Dakotas were Division I the last time Montana won a national title. NDSU has only been D1 since 2004. South Dakota State, South Dakota and North Dakota have only been D1 since 2008. Montana had played in six FCS national championship games in the span of 12 years when the Missouri Valley Football Conference as even formed as a league in 2008.

Since then, the Missouri Valley has won TWELVE national titles. A league that has been around for less than two decades made up of the old DII North Central Conference has won almost twice as many D I-AA/FCS national titles than the ENTIRE Big Sky Conference, which has been playing in I-AA since its advent in 1978.

Montana, Montana State, the Dakotas are all playing FBS football in the FCS. There are 60-ish Group of 5 schools. Less than 10 could "drop down" and win the Big Sky or the MVFC. Because of the support, passion and quality of football from the MonDak crew.

It's basically written in stone who the Top 4 in the FCS are going to be for the foreseeable future. The only schools that will threaten NSDSU, SDSU, MSU and UM are North Dakota, South Dakota and UC Davis (who's probably out to the MW sooner than later). And maybe Tarleton State. Other than that, it's the MonDak bowl forever more until it all fractures.

Since 2011:

NDSU has 198 wins, 12 conference titles, 10 national titles and has played in the semifinals every season but this season.

SDSU has 146 wins, four conference titles and has played in seven semifnals and three championship games since 2017, winning two natoinal titles.

Montana State 140 wins, six conference titels, has played in the semifinals five of the last six years, has been to three title games and now has a national title.

Montana has 127 wins, has been to two semis, one title game, has one league title.

Food for thought.

Simple answer to your first question colter no it's not, end of discussion

Also great stats from 2011

 

[5280Griz]

Simple answer to your first question colter no it's not, end of discussion

Also great stats from 2011

Once every 24 years isn’t going to happen. If the Griz win the championship next season it will be once every 24 seasons or 25 years. If that happens, there is no reason for anyone to want Bobby to leave before he decides to retire.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The question is simple: is not winning a national championship for 24 years acceptable and up to standard for the Montana Grizzlies?

Let me remind you that NONE of the Dakotas were Division I the last time Montana won a national title. NDSU has only been D1 since 2004. South Dakota State, South Dakota and North Dakota have only been D1 since 2008. Montana had played in six FCS national championship games in the span of 12 years when the Missouri Valley Football Conference as even formed as a league in 2008.

Since then, the Missouri Valley has won TWELVE national titles. A league that has been around for less than two decades made up of the old DII North Central Conference has won almost twice as many D I-AA/FCS national titles than the ENTIRE Big Sky Conference, which has been playing in I-AA since its advent in 1978.

Montana, Montana State, the Dakotas are all playing FBS football in the FCS. There are 60-ish Group of 5 schools. Less than 10 could "drop down" and win the Big Sky or the MVFC. Because of the support, passion and quality of football from the MonDak crew.

It's basically written in stone who the Top 4 in the FCS are going to be for the foreseeable future. The only schools that will threaten NSDSU, SDSU, MSU and UM are North Dakota, South Dakota and UC Davis (who's probably out to the MW sooner than later). And maybe Tarleton State. Other than that, it's the MonDak bowl forever more until it all fractures.

Since 2011:

NDSU has 198 wins, 12 conference titles, 10 national titles and has played in the semifinals every season but this season.

SDSU has 146 wins, four conference titles and has played in seven semifinals and three championship games since 2017, winning two national titles.

Montana State 140 wins, six conference titles, has played in the semifinals five of the last six years, has been to three title games and now has a national title.

Montana has 127 wins, has been to two semis, one title game, has one league title.

Food for thought.

That's a question, but a more important question is why UM or any program change and run a huge risk of getting a lesser coach, and ruining the level of success of what has been occurring in recent years. Semis, 13-2 this season. In 2023, loss in finals. Wins over NDSU and SDSU in semis in 2 years. Playoffs in 2024. Majority of wins over Dakota and MV schools. Attendance great. Season tickets great. Academics up. No off field issues by players or coaches. Fund-raising very good.

Citing stats like that without citing the positives, is totally misleading and off the mark, in my view.

Hauck and the Griz are right there. Just need some small improvement and better bounces of the ball, in my view. Have a great qb for presumably 2 years now. A great RB. A great receiver. TE's. Beefing up the OL. Bringing in good-looking D players in portal, and have multiple younger guys from the 2 and 3-deep. The future looks bright to me, but, of course, we'll have to see how it comes together.

The best way to win a national championship is to raise, or continue to raise, more NIL. My guess is that Hauck is behind most of the big NIL now.

Colter, my view is that you are off-base on this. Close to just pushing a narrative. Liostening to neggies and bench warmers like Schmidt. Schmidt wasn't well-liked when he played and still isn't. He liked to pull inappropriate pranks on people, and many people didn't like that, I am told by one of his teammates. "He was somewhat bratty in college. Did a lot of pranks on people that were secretive and mean." A bunch of the guys of that era have a periodic text chat, and I'm pretty sure Schmidt isn't included. I'm having dinner with JD Quinn on Friday. He won't hold back on what he thinks. Maybe he likes Schmidt, but I doubt it.

 

[kemajic]

That's a question, but a more important question is why UM or any program change and run a huge risk of getting a lesser coach, and ruining the level of success of what has been occurring in recent years. Semis, 13-2 this season. In 2023, loss in finals. Wins over NDSU and SDSU in semis in 2 years. Playoffs in 2024. Majority of wins over Dakota and MV schools. Attendance great. Season tickets great. Academics up. No off field issues by players or coaches. Fund-raising very good.

Citing stats like that without citing the positives, is totally misleading and off the mark, in my view.

Hauck and the Griz are right there. Just need some small improvement and better bounces of the ball, in my view. Have a great qb for presumably 2 years now. A great RB. A great receiver. TE's. Beefing up the OL. Bringing in good-looking D players in portal, and have multiple younger guys from the 2 and 3-deep. The future looks bright to me, but, of course, we'll have to see how it comes together.

The best way to win a national championship is to raise, or continue to raise, more NIL. My guess is that Hauck is behind most of the big NIL now.

Colter, my view is that you are off-base on this. Close to just pushing a narrative. Liostening to neggies and bench warmers like Schmidt. Schmidt wasn't well-liked when he played and still isn't. He liked to pull inappropriate pranks on people, and many people didn't like that, I am told by one of his teammates. "He was somewhat bratty in college. Did a lot of pranks on people that were secretive and mean." A bunch of the guys of that era have a periodic text chat, and I'm pretty sure Schmidt isn't included. I'm having dinner with JD Quinn on Friday. He won't hold back on what he thinks. Maybe he likes Schmidt, but I doubt it.

Please give us an update on what's going on for J.D. after you see him. My favorite Griz.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Please give us an update on what's going on for J.D. after you see him. My favorite Griz.

Will do. He has same business. I think his business is good. He still lives in Frisco. We are going to some fancy seafood place in Dallas. I am trying to introduce Riley Wilson to him, but I doubt that will happen.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Just curious, but does winning 2 championships in your history make it the exception or the rule? Should that make it the expectation?

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

That's a question, but a more important question is why UM or any program change and run a huge risk of getting a lesser coach, and ruining the level of success of what has been occurring in recent years. Semis, 13-2 this season. In 2023, loss in finals. Wins over NDSU and SDSU in semis in 2 years. Playoffs in 2024. Majority of wins over Dakota and MV schools. Attendance great. Season tickets great. Academics up. No off field issues by players or coaches. Fund-raising very good.

Citing stats like that without citing the positives, is totally misleading and off the mark, in my view.

Hauck and the Griz are right there. Just need some small improvement and better bounces of the ball, in my view. Have a great qb for presumably 2 years now. A great RB. A great receiver. TE's. Beefing up the OL. Bringing in good-looking D players in portal, and have multiple younger guys from the 2 and 3-deep. The future looks bright to me, but, of course, we'll have to see how it comes together.

The best way to win a national championship is to raise, or continue to raise, more NIL. My guess is that Hauck is behind most of the big NIL now.

Colter, my view is that you are off-base on this. Close to just pushing a narrative. Liostening to neggies and bench warmers like Schmidt. Schmidt wasn't well-liked when he played and still isn't. He liked to pull inappropriate pranks on people, and many people didn't like that, I am told by one of his teammates. "He was somewhat bratty in college. Did a lot of pranks on people that were secretive and mean." A bunch of the guys of that era have a periodic text chat, and I'm pretty sure Schmidt isn't included. I'm having dinner with JD Quinn on Friday. He won't hold back on what he thinks. Maybe he likes Schmidt, but I doubt it.

There is no narrative to my post. I simply cited statistics and asked a question. I did not give my opinion on my question.

If you listen to my two hours daily ESPN radio/TV show, or all (or any) of my podcasts, you'd realize that I have never once said that I think Coach Hauck should be fired. In fact, I state frequently to the contrary: that would be a crazy thing to do. I simply state the few places I believe Montana can get over the top.

Again, Jack, if you engaged in content that wasn't just EGriz, you might learn something. I know you hate all new-age media and think it's all "neggies", but we have a very informed, curious and articulate team at Skyline Sports. Several of my Griz contributors are former players, including Samuel Akem and Keenan Curran, each who advocates for Hauck frequently. All analysts study ball for a living, most played beyond college. Just because you don't like one "bench warmer", doesn't mean the overall product is not worth learning from.

You projecting that I have an implication for posting statistics that are purely factual without any spin....and your said reaction to that projection is on you.

The Missouri Valley has existed since 2008. The conference has won almost twice as many titles as the Big Sky with a bunch of members who have been D1 for less than 20 years. That's facts. And that's a referendum on the Big Sky Conference. Montana is in the Big Sky. That's all I was pointing out with that post. There is no narrative I'm pushing, other than the MVFC has been kicking the Big Sky's ass since its creation and Montana State's chipper is a good thing for the entire state and the entire league, regardless of how much you love the Griz.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Confident

Socially Inept

Great in social situations. That was one of the keys to my success.