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Instate Recruiting

PTGrizzly said:
According to Ehret himself, he did not get an offer from MSU.
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You are wrong on this as well. This quote is directly from a 406 article:



"Right after my sophomore season, they pretty much took me in like family," he said. "I got to go on a Junior Day (visit), which most sophomores don't get to go on that. They just pretty much took me under their wing as family. Since it was just me and my mom, they really respected her, and that was a big thing that I think the other schools didn't do."

Ehret grew up a Cats fan and regularly attended home games because family members have skybox tickets, he said. He received offers from UM, MSU and NAIA program Montana Tech. He chose the Griz for a few specific reasons.
 
AZDoc said:
This was my take as well. The trenches is where the Griz get "out recruited" in state, in my opinion.
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I'm not trying to argue just to argue, but there really haven't been many Offensive lineman in this state to recruit recently. There really isn't a ton of size out there. Also, we run a completely different defensive front scheme compared to msu and that requires a different body type/skill set.

I was hopeful that Jake Olsen would want to convert to tackle at some point. Great size, good feet, and easy to put on weight.
 
HookedonGriz said:
You are wrong on this as well. This quote is directly from a 406 article:



"Right after my sophomore season, they pretty much took me in like family," he said. "I got to go on a Junior Day (visit), which most sophomores don't get to go on that. They just pretty much took me under their wing as family. Since it was just me and my mom, they really respected her, and that was a big thing that I think the other schools didn't do."

Ehret grew up a Cats fan and regularly attended home games because family members have skybox tickets, he said. He received offers from UM, MSU and NAIA program Montana Tech. He chose the Griz for a few specific reasons.
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You know that’s not a quote from Ehret, right? In all the information he’s given, he has never said he got an offer from MSU. Maybe he did, but it seems odd he would post about his visits to Bozeman, his offer from UM and Tech, but not MSU. I know that if the situation was reversed, you would be saying the same thing.
 
PTGrizzly said:
You know that’s not a quote from Ehret, right? In all the information he’s given, he has never said he got an offer from MSU. Maybe he did, but it seems odd he would post about his visits to Bozeman, his offer from UM and Tech, but not MSU. I know that if the situation was reversed, you would be saying the same thing.
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Wut? Do you hear yourself?
You think your personal speculation based on a kid’s social media is more reliable than what was actually printed in the news paper.
 
garizzalies said:
Wut? Do you hear yourself?
You think your personal speculation based on a kid’s social media is more reliable than what was actually printed in the news paper.
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Yeah, generally the primary source is considered the best.

And maybe he did. I’m just saying it seems odd a player would post all his visits and offers except for one. But it really doesn’t matter. He’s coming to UM, that’s really all that matters.
 
PTGrizzly said:
Lol. Look at those recruiting classes. There’s a reason the staff just had to bring in 30 transfers. There was definitely room to add the states best players.
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But, to the point I've made a few times, there is a scholarship limit. It is an either/or situation. We brought in some younger transfers, but would we rather that a Montana freshman or Solo? A Montana freshman, or Wortham? A Montana freshman, or Diezel Wilkinson? A Montana freshman or The Centaur? A Montana freshman, or Wing?

Roster construction has changed. It is a bigger risk now to pick up a freshman that could leave at any time in the portal. Specifically because of the heavy graduating class, we needed a lot of guys to NOT be freshmen this year. If we had used those scholarships on Montana freshman, almost none of those kids would be seeing the field right now and our team would be worse.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
But, to the point I've made a few times, there is a scholarship limit. It is an either/or situation. We brought in some younger transfers, but would we rather that a Montana freshman or Solo? A Montana freshman, or Wortham? A Montana freshman, or Diezel Wilkinson? A Montana freshman or The Centaur? A Montana freshman, or Wing?

Roster construction has changed. It is a bigger risk now to pick up a freshman that could leave at any time in the portal. Specifically because of the heavy graduating class, we needed a lot of guys to NOT be freshmen this year. If we had used those scholarships on Montana freshman, almost none of those kids would be seeing the field right now and our team would be worse.
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Perhaps if they didn’t need those guys to not be freshman this year, they should have added some of the kids in the prior years. ;)

And I disagree with your last sentence. Wortham came despite there being great young talent already on the roster at his position. Wing, Peck, and others, HAD to come because those positions were weak in house. Pat Hayden had to come, because that position was weak in house. “But but we didn’t have room for those guys and the others!” Then freaking make room. That’s what everybody does. If the coaches think you’re good enough, they’ll make room. If they think they’re worth it, they’ll make the effort.
 
PTGrizzly said:
Yeah, generally the primary source is considered the best.

And maybe he did. I’m just saying it seems odd a player would post all his visits and offers except for one. But it really doesn’t matter. He’s coming to UM, that’s really all that matters.
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Geez Louise, guy.
The primary source you are citing IS YOU and you have no clue.
You are citing your own speculation in an attempt to disprove what is printed in black and white.
The kid did not say MSU did not offer. You did. And you made that leap of faith based on your own assumption which is contrary to what a licensed journalist printed.
Do you not realize how crazy that is?
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
They def are. You don’t think a kid looks at the roster with the guys ahead of them and considers for playing time?
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This has zero to do with your initial statement.

BadlandsGrizFan said:
Should we have went after Jones instead of Eli Gillman??? Should we have recruited Taco instead of Bergen??
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You are asking if the Griz should have recruited Jones and Taco instead of Eli and Bergen.

So now it isn't the fault of Griz coaches not recruiting them, it is they saw the roster and went elsewhere. Sounds like someone flip flopping.
 
PTGrizzly said:
Perhaps if they didn’t need those guys to not be freshman this year, they should have added some of the kids in the prior years. ;)

And I disagree with your last sentence. Wortham came despite there being great young talent already on the roster at his position. Wing, Peck, and others, HAD to come because those positions were weak in house. Pat Hayden had to come, because that position was weak in house. “But but we didn’t have room for those guys and the others!” Then freaking make room. That’s what everybody does. If the coaches think you’re good enough, they’ll make room. If they think they’re worth it, they’ll make the effort.
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Haha, touche. Though I would still make the argument that would have hurt us in the past. Guys like Riley Wilson and Cliff McDowell were absolutely huge keys to making the natty run.

Respectfully, cause you know I like our talks, I would disagree with you. We can't "make room" without cutting massive amounts of guys. That then hurts in state recruiting later because the perception becomes "oh, they will just keep you for two years and cut you for a better transfer."

I just think that the game has changed when it comes to recruiting. You can hear the difference when Bobby talks about it, and how this is basically an NFL model with free agency. Sure, we still want to draft the best players we can, but if you have a free agent good enough to step on the field and help you day one, then you take a swing on them.

Regardless, I would suggest that I wasn't speaking about whether there was other talent that had to come here, but where we filled those needs from. If we had filled all those spots with Montana freshmen instead of strong transfers, we would be a weaker team this year AND next year.
 
PDXGrizzly said:
I think it matters in context of the culture of the state in general. My experience showed me that Montanans are kind, family oriented, loyal, and moderately weary of outsiders. In state recruiting feeds this. That’s why the feedback stating “feels like family” is so important. Kids naturally gravitate to it.

Like it or not, Bobby’s willingness to bring transfers specifically to compete can have the effect of feeling not loyal. Bobby recruits kids who thrive on it, so internally it’s kind of a moot point. Externally, it might give kids pause. They can question if they can develop into great players or if they will be given a fair shake when there is always something shiny out there that the staff can chase. It has the perception of not being willing to develop kids and Montana kids, who aren’t multi star recruits might feel like they have a more fair shot at the neighbors.

This might also be a massive reach. I think the heart and soul of what makes the Griz the Griz is the tough kids from across the state who instill that Montana culture into the program. Without it, it just feels hollow.
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I don’t know that I completely agree. Having said that, I respect your opinion and I am betting others feel the same. I think NIL changed everything. The level of player it takes to win a national championship was elevated with NIL. Does that mean Montana kids don’t have a place, won’t start and can’t compete at the national level? Nope. I just think it means fewer will fill some of the skill positions. If anything, I am concerned about the lack of offensive linemen and interior defensive line players that the Griz are sourcing from in state. In state will always have value. It was just diminished by NIL dollars.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Haha, touche. Though I would still make the argument that would have hurt us in the past. Guys like Riley Wilson and Cliff McDowell were absolutely huge keys to making the natty run.

Respectfully, cause you know I like our talks, I would disagree with you. We can't "make room" without cutting massive amounts of guys. That then hurts in state recruiting later because the perception becomes "oh, they will just keep you for two years and cut you for a better transfer."

I just think that the game has changed when it comes to recruiting. You can hear the difference when Bobby talks about it, and how this is basically an NFL model with free agency. Sure, we still want to draft the best players we can, but if you have a free agent good enough to step on the field and help you day one, then you take a swing on them.

Regardless, I would suggest that I wasn't speaking about whether there was other talent that had to come here, but where we filled those needs from. If we had filled all those spots with Montana freshmen instead of strong transfers, we would be a weaker team this year AND next year.
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You seem to have the impression I’m against transfers. I’ve never said that.

This is very simple. I see a deficiency. It’s obvious, so obvious that none of you are arguing that it isn’t there, but more that it doesn’t matter. I just can’t understand that mindset. Cause let me tell ya, it mattered last year. It’s going to end up mattering later in the year when they face a line that’s actually good. This should be a championship team, Ah Yat is playing awesome, Wortham is amazing, but the Griz have lost on damn near every good lineman in the state recently. And it is unfortunately, going to matter.
 
PTGrizzly said:
You seem to have the impression I’m against transfers. I’ve never said that.

This is very simple. I see a deficiency. It’s obvious, so obvious that none of you are arguing that it isn’t there, but more that it doesn’t matter. I just can’t understand that mindset. Cause let me tell ya, it mattered last year. It’s going to end up mattering later in the year when they face a line that’s actually good. This should be a championship team, Ah Yat is playing awesome, Wortham is amazing, but the Griz have lost on damn near every good lineman in the state recently. And it is unfortunately, going to matter.
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Montana is the only state that produces good lineman...you got me on the bus.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Montana is the only state that produces good lineman...you got me on the bus.
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Lol. You’re detracting from the obvious.

There are good linemen that come from this state every year. They should be a point of emphasis for a team that has struggled with line play. Yet, every year, for the most part they end up at the other school in the state. No, Montana isn’t the only place to get them, but it’s the easiest place for us to find them.
 
PTGrizzly said:
You know that’s not a quote from Ehret, right? In all the information he’s given, he has never said he got an offer from MSU. Maybe he did, but it seems odd he would post about his visits to Bozeman, his offer from UM and Tech, but not MSU. I know that if the situation was reversed, you would be saying the same thing.
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That’s directly from Frank Gogola, who sat down with him and interviewed him. Are you fucking crazy? What do you hate Frank as much as Bobby?
 
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