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Playoff Committee has Montana as the 5 seed in first poll.

The comparison we had from Herder used the top 25 poll. This one used the top 40 Sagarin teams, and if they use the SoS based on this, the whole thing gets skewed a whole lot more.

Overall Sagarin rankings with their strength of schedule are like this for the first 10 in the FCS
38 NDSU SoS 205
53 SDSU Sos 181
60 Bozeman SoS 179
83 Tarleton SoS 225
84 UND SoS 175
93 Montana SoS 208
98 Harvard SoS 261
105 UC Davis SoS 186
114 Southern Illinois SoS 144
116 Tennessee Tech SoS 264
 
get'em_griz said:
Tarleton State in 2025 reminds me a whole bunch of Sam Houston in 2021. Paper tiger vibes. Sam Houston ran the table in the Southland that consisted of many teams that currently reside in Tarleton's State's United Athletic Conference. Sam Houston got the #1 seed due to their 11-0 record, though the majority of people knew they would get trounced in the playoffs.

Montana State went to Huntsville in the Quarterfinals and absolutely demolished them 42-19.
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Name one team in the UAC that was in the SLC in 2021. That was the 2020 covid season when they won, but still only ACU was in the SLC then.
 
Tarleton, ACU, and Utah Tech were all in the WAC in 2021 and are in the UAC today. That said, in addition to those 3 teams, SHSU also played against current UAC members Eastern Kentucky and Central Arkansas in 2021.
 
It'll all play out. In theory I would think the 1 and 2 seeds should be held for MVFC and Big Sky winners assuming their only loss will be to one of the other top 5 teams.

Seems to me that as long as one of them wins out SDSU or NDSU has the 1 seed on lock.

If Montana wins out they should land the 2 seed as an undefeated team and would then have the momentum of a conference title and another top 5 win

I think if Montana State wins out they should land the 2 seed if NDSU beats SDSU. Yes SDSU has the h2h win but that was week 2 and if this scenario unfolds MSU will have won 10 in a row and win the Big Sky - where SDSU has a more recent loss and didn't win the MVFC

I think the committee will look at Tarleton's overall SoS and Massey when it's all said and done and put them at 3 or 4 - but I still need to see if these guys are for real against West Georgia and Austin Peay.

The two real wild cards that we're not really accounting for right now are UC Davis and North Dakota. They could shake things up if Davis beats the cats and/or if UND knocks of one or both of SDSU/NDSU.

I don't think Lehigh can really creep in to that top 5 convo but who knows, they play no more ranked teams and even though they were 3-0 against Ivy schools they didn't play Harvard, only ranked win they had was against then #22 Richmond who isn't ranked anymore.
 
Griz in Texas said:
I know they weren't, I never said they were, Mr. Prefect. They left after the spring '21 season, but if you read the original post, that's not what it said.
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The original post stated that ran the table in the Southland in 2021. That is what I was referencing. Sorry to get your panties in a bunch.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
The original post stated that ran the table in the Southland in 2021. That is what I was referencing. Sorry to get your panties in a bunch.
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I didn't say that, as you inferred by your reply because you have a habit of correcting everything. Technically though, it was the 2021 spring season.
 
Griz in Texas said:
I didn't say that, as you inferred by your reply because you have a habit of correcting everything. Technically though, it was the 2021 spring season.
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Technically, spring comes before fall. What he was referencing was the actual fall season in which Sam Houston blew through the WAC, was the #1 seed, and got smoke at home by State.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Technically, spring comes before fall. What he was referencing was the actual fall season in which Sam Houston blew through the WAC, was the #1 seed, and got smoke at home by State.
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Again, you're reading what he is saying and twisting it to what I was saying. I never said they were in the SLC in '21. but was referencing that technically they were in for that crazy spring season. I never said anything about the fall, and I am not confused that he said 2021. Now, who has undergarments that are disheveled? No one needs to check with you on anything here and you are not always right, and you don't need to comment on everything to assert that you have some kind of power here that no one else does.
 
Griz in Texas said:
Again, you're reading what he is saying and twisting it to what I was saying. I never said they were in the SLC in '21. but was referencing that technically they were in for that crazy spring season. I never said anything about the fall, and I am not confused that he said 2021. Now, who has undergarments that are disheveled? No one needs to check with you on anything here and you are not always right, and you don't need to comment on everything to assert that you have some kind of power here that no one else does.
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I never said you did say it.
 
get'em_griz said:
No shit, guess I got my conferences wrong while trying to post too quickly haha.

Point still stands though... The teams Sam Houston played in 2021 didn't warrant a top-2 seed much like an undefeated Tarleton State should not warrant a top-2 seed either.
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As I have said on here, my wife is a SHSU alum so I follow them more than I would like. The point here though is not SHSU football.

The point is that they got the 1 seed, IMO, for the same reason many teams can, and NDSU exploits.

The preseason number 1, whether they deserve it or not, always seems to be the champion from the previous season. When they won out over all the new teams to FCS and the ASUN alliance, you had to know it was trouble, but ranking them number 1 is the tradition that needs to be broken. Just because NDSU won last year is just the norm since who knows when. I suppose you can go back and look at all of the prior champions and the preseason rankings, but it seems to me like that is a yearly right of entitlement.
 
Griz in Texas said:
As I have said on here, my wife is a SHSU alum so I follow them more than I would like. The point here though is not SHSU football.

The point is that they got the 1 seed, IMO, for the same reason many teams can, and NDSU exploits.

The preseason number 1, whether they deserve it or not, always seems to be the champion from the previous season. When they won out over all the new teams to FCS and the ASUN alliance, you had to know it was trouble, but ranking them number 1 is the tradition that needs to be broken. Just because NDSU won last year is just the norm since who knows when. I suppose you can go back and look at all of the prior champions and the preseason rankings, but it seems to me like that is a yearly right of entitlement.
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Giving Sam Houston the #1 seed in 2021 solely because they were "national champions" in 2020 was a mistake because that 2020 spring season was far from a normal football season. 2020 was an asterisk when it came to normal football seasons. If anything, Sam Houston should have been at least a 3 or 4 seed and it showed when they got trounced.

Should have been:
1. 9-1 NDSU (2 seed in 2021) - Only loss in regular season 27-19 to SDSU
2. 9-1 James Madison (3 seed in 2021) - Only loss in regular season 28-27 to 5 seed Villanova
3. 10-0 Sam Houston St (1 seed in 2021)
4. 9-2 Sacramento State - Big Sky Champs
5. 9-2 Villanova
6. 9-2 Montana
7. 9-1 ETSU
8. 9-2 Montana State
 
get'em_griz said:
Giving Sam Houston the #1 seed in 2021 solely because they were "national champions" in 2020 was a mistake because that 2020 spring season was far from a normal football season. 2020 was an asterisk when it came to normal football seasons. If anything, Sam Houston should have been at least a 3 or 4 seed and it showed when they got trounced.

Should have been:
1. 9-1 NDSU (2 seed in 2021) - Only loss in regular season 27-19 to SDSU
2. 9-1 James Madison (3 seed in 2021) - Only loss in regular season 28-27 to 5 seed Villanova
3. 10-0 Sam Houston St (1 seed in 2021)
4. 9-2 Sacramento State - Big Sky Champs
5. 9-2 Villanova
6. 9-2 Montana
7. 9-1 ETSU
8. 9-2 Montana State
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I was definitely on the SHSU was overranked train back in 2021, but it's also a tough look for the committee to give the only undefeated team in FCS a lower seed than two teams that lost to unseeded teams.
 
uofmman1122 said:
I was definitely on the SHSU was overranked train back in 2021, but it's also a tough look for the committee to give the only undefeated team in FCS a lower seed than two teams that lost to unseeded teams.
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JMU's only loss was to seeded Villanova. I can understand "maybe" bumping SHSU down to the 2 seed for optics, but man it didn't help the optics of a #1 seed getting blown out in the quarters by the 8 seed.
 
get'em_griz said:
JMU's only loss was to seeded Villanova. I can understand "maybe" bumping SHSU down to the 2 seed for optics, but man it didn't help the optics of a #1 seed getting blown out in the quarters by the 8 seed.
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Oops, you're right. For some reason my brain replaced Villanova with Richmond when I read that.

I get the optics, but it not unheard of, though. In 2007, all top 3 seeds (#1 UNI, #2 McNeese, and ugh #3 Montana) were all out by the quarters.

But yeah, a bad look. It also kind of lends credence to my idea that the committee could very well just say "fuck it", and put NDSU/SDSU as #1 and #2 just based on recent history alone, assuming they go 12-0 and 11-1.
 
get'em_griz said:
Giving Sam Houston the #1 seed in 2021 solely because they were "national champions" in 2020 was a mistake because that 2020 spring season was far from a normal football season. 2020 was an asterisk when it came to normal football seasons. If anything, Sam Houston should have been at least a 3 or 4 seed and it showed when they got trounced.

Should have been:
1. 9-1 NDSU (2 seed in 2021) - Only loss in regular season 27-19 to SDSU
2. 9-1 James Madison (3 seed in 2021) - Only loss in regular season 28-27 to 5 seed Villanova
3. 10-0 Sam Houston St (1 seed in 2021)
4. 9-2 Sacramento State - Big Sky Champs
5. 9-2 Villanova
6. 9-2 Montana
7. 9-1 ETSU
8. 9-2 Montana State
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I have had this discussion with many friends on that spring season that want to have that asterisk. We opted out of that year and the two games played felt like there was another force there that said that's what was to be while the Griz were saying that there was some disagreement over it.

Either way, the teams that opted in played a season and the champion was crowned. Along the way, SHSU beat the defending champion, NDSU, the #1 ranked team, JMU, and the top seed, SDSU. I was actually at the JMU game and they led at half 24-3 but by the end of the third, SHSU led 31-27. A lot of SDSU fans will tell you too that they lost because Gronowski was hurt early on, but the last I checked, this is football we're talking about and injuries happen.

Still didn't account for the Kats being the 1 seed in the fall, but they knocked down the pins they had set up to win in the spring. My regrets for them was that it somehow verified KC Keeler as a coach when watching those games when he was in charge it always irritated me the unbalanced lines and other tricks he would try to pull off. I think that his player either didn't like them or were very confused because too often it would result in a penalty, so we were happy to see him leave after last year. They put no though into a replacement for Keeler either, which is part of their current problem.
 
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