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Instate Recruiting
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mthoopsfan
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What did he say?
Counter Assault
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Listen to it lazy ass
The gist of what was said is that Bobby and his staff have become lazy recruiters and have taken a step backward in their ability to develop their players. They no longer recruit in state kids at the same level that they did before when Schmidt was there. They routinely whiff on in state players, fail to identify and recruit and develop in state talent and would rather go portaling hoping for players who have already been coached up. They routinely lose Griz legacy players to the cats. Another argument that they make is that the models of recruiting and player development at MSU and UM have swapped. In the early 2000s to around 2010 ish UM was a program that got the best in state talent and developed it while MSU looked to get transfers and missed on the best in state talent. They make the argument that now MSU gets the best in state talent and know how to identify and develop it, while UMs staff can’t develop talent and has to go portaling to get the dudes it needs, and will be hot and cold as a result, with some years looking like last year while MSU routinely makes deep playoff runs. They also make the argument that this is part of a greater trend at the UM where we basically suck ass at recruiting students period. That pretty well sums it up.
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rocklobster
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You get the players you need from the state. Some may choose to go to Bozo (the Weed City) and some to the Garden City. It's not just a football question, though. These are student athletes and they choose one over the other for specialties in education, believe it or not. My son chose a small school in Cal, because he wants to be a doctor. They place their students in top notch med schools after graduation. Both Bozo and Missoula have specialized degrees to offer depending on the student.
Next, the landscape of college football recruiting is changing, and the Griz and the Kittens will bring the players from wherever to keep the team winning. Bobby and his coaches do an excellent job developing players. If they're from Montana, that's great but in the end winss and losses do matter, and with college football that's how coaches keep their jobs. Go Griz!!!
Next, the landscape of college football recruiting is changing, and the Griz and the Kittens will bring the players from wherever to keep the team winning. Bobby and his coaches do an excellent job developing players. If they're from Montana, that's great but in the end winss and losses do matter, and with college football that's how coaches keep their jobs. Go Griz!!!
We should have recruited a local running back Montana kid and coached him up instead of recruiting Eli Gilman out of Minnesota.
That's how ridiculous of a statement that is. I don't care if we recruit in state more than the Cats. I care about getting good players, and if a kid is from out of state, he is now a "Montanan".
There's a reason why we don't put the state kids are from on the front of their jersey. It says "Montana", not "Hawaii".
That's how ridiculous of a statement that is. I don't care if we recruit in state more than the Cats. I care about getting good players, and if a kid is from out of state, he is now a "Montanan".
There's a reason why we don't put the state kids are from on the front of their jersey. It says "Montana", not "Hawaii".
Downwiththefoe1
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Not once has anyone said don't recruit out of state. There is a battle for the best players in montana and the griz are/have been losing it. Theres no reason all of these all conference players from the state of montana are all coming out of bozeman state.
mthoopsfan
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Not intereted enough to listen. On way to family wedding. When I post stuff, unusual post a summary. HomeGrown’s summary is enough for me. I don’t agree with Schmidt much of the time, but like him. I don’t like people who went to Bozeman high. Ha.
Who are MSU’s all-conference players from MT this year?
Who are MSU’s starters from MT?
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HelenaHandBasket
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It is not 2005 anymore.
HelenaHandBasket
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Are you a descendant of Chicken Little?
You have to choose, though. With limited scholarships, and spots on the depth chart, they have to make a choice. Do they want an RB from Sentinal or Eli Gilman more? Do they want a QB from Helena more, or Ah Yat? This isn't as binary as some are making it. The Griz recruiting footprint is getting broader, yes. I think that is a good thing.
As for all of these all conference players from the state of Montana, we had Bergen, Tirrell, Gradney, Rausch. In 2023 we had Bergen, Hill, Gradney, Graves, and Janacaro. The Cats don't have that many more from MT.
I think you’re missing the point of my post.
Kodiak
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I believe there were 8 all conference players on the Cats last year from Montana (including Rylan Ortt who's father played for UM) and one on the Griz, Junior Bergen. The statement that there is not top talent in this state is incorrect. If the Griz go after these top in state kids and lose the recruiting battle that is one thing but the argument was made that they are not even pursing many of the top in state football players. This is in direct contrast to Bobby 1.0 who got 80% of the top in state players.
In state recruiting is such an emotional trigger. This subject always seems to have a trace of this sentiment that instate athletes should be entitled to a roster spot over an out of state kid. I disagree.
The team gets the players it needs. I don't think anyone would have been happy with the results right now if the 2024 class was mostly instate recruits.
The portal changed things. NIL money really changed things. Hauck used to ask in state recruits to accept less aid to free up funding for out of state kids, who are expensive. I bet he still does, though now NIL money has ripped the top off what's needed to to compensate student athletes.
Not only does the investment more, but the risk is higher because portal athletes are less proven than the ones FCS schools attracted before the portal when FBS to FBS transfers were less advantagous to FBS athletes transferring.
There are lot of kids starting for the Griz this fall who had never started in a college game. In that scenario, do you go recruit the athlete that faced more athletic competition and didnt win a starting job but was still in a college system, or do you go with Montana Joe fresh from Glacier High?
I don't buy the "coached up" argument for today's transfers. They did get time in a more sophisticated program than a HS player and should have an understanding of the basics, like attending class, eating right, regimented training, and explosure to a better playbook than a HS athlete. They should grasp what's expected, right? But are they coached up? I think we know how coached up someone who is third on the depth chart is.
The team gets the players it needs. I don't think anyone would have been happy with the results right now if the 2024 class was mostly instate recruits.
The portal changed things. NIL money really changed things. Hauck used to ask in state recruits to accept less aid to free up funding for out of state kids, who are expensive. I bet he still does, though now NIL money has ripped the top off what's needed to to compensate student athletes.
Not only does the investment more, but the risk is higher because portal athletes are less proven than the ones FCS schools attracted before the portal when FBS to FBS transfers were less advantagous to FBS athletes transferring.
There are lot of kids starting for the Griz this fall who had never started in a college game. In that scenario, do you go recruit the athlete that faced more athletic competition and didnt win a starting job but was still in a college system, or do you go with Montana Joe fresh from Glacier High?
I don't buy the "coached up" argument for today's transfers. They did get time in a more sophisticated program than a HS player and should have an understanding of the basics, like attending class, eating right, regimented training, and explosure to a better playbook than a HS athlete. They should grasp what's expected, right? But are they coached up? I think we know how coached up someone who is third on the depth chart is.
Downwiththefoe1984
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Is the in-state recruiting battle the difference between winning and losing??? Absolutely not. It’s a stupid argument. Eli, Ah Yat, Wing, Loud, Brooks Davis, Mike Wortham……do I need to continue??? We got studs from all over the map. The concern in recruiting & player development comes in the trenches. The Cats have the edge here. Plain and simple. As far as QB & skill guys, would you trade places with the Cats??? I sure as hell wouldn’t! We’re 6-0 so the coaching staff is doing something right. Let’s enjoy it! I’m glad someone mentioned Adam Jones vs Eli Gilman. We’ll take Eli. No slight on Jones, but we got our guy & plenty of depth behind him. This bullshit in-state recruiting argument sounds like a narrative created by Cat fans. Go Griz!
I was paraphrasing what others said. Can’t say I disagree, but I was paraphrasing for mthoops since he asked.
Grizzinator
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Schmidt also makes the point that Bozeman recruits report a similar approach of feeling welcomed and part of a family. Then he says UM takes more of a “lucky to be offered and have a chance to play here” approach. I’m sure he’s oversimplified the sentiment but it’s also fair to question approaches if legacy kids from Missoula are choosing to go east.
HelenaHandBasket
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I didn't ask just based on your paraphrasing.
