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Bobby Hauck

I didn't take it as insulting. You provided your view and questions. I provided my direct response. I didn't say you shouldn't have said it. It's a fan board. A few people know something about the game and the program, and more than a few don't.

So are you saying Franklin gets fired if they beat UCLA and Northwestern because Indiana beat Oregon?
You are struggling with comprehension now. I said those played a part. I can't spell it out any more clear. Cignetti's success at Indiana has lessened the patience from administrators and fan support in the FBS. Every weekend there is a game where the crowd is chanting for the firing of a coach. I don't know why you are being so stubborn.
 
I have no idea. The vision paid off. They weren't a visible program and not much tradition for that to be an issue for them. He wouldn't last that long now. However, that brings another question. If Bobby never left what could Montana have done in those years? I think that is always going to be the big what if.
They were objectively a more successful program than we were since 2011, going to the playoffs every season since 2012, and going to at least the semis in 7 of the last 8 seasons.

At the same point of Stieg's career that we're at with Bobby, he had taken SDSU to the playoffs just once, and had 0 major conference championships (he won the 5-team Great West Conference once in 2007). He also fundamentally changed his strategy (like we're seeing Bobby and our coaches do in many ways this season) during the 2010's to compete directly with NDSU.

I'm not saying Bobby is the best coach in the world, but I think he's perfect for where we want to go right now. I think he's laser-focused on his goal of bringing a championship to Montana, and I believe he's going to do it someday soon.
 
You are struggling with comprehension now. I said those played a part. I can't spell it out any more clear. Cignetti's success at Indiana has lessened the patience from administrators and fan support in the FBS. Every weekend there is a game where the crowd is chanting for the firing of a coach. I don't know why you are being so stubborn.
Just clarifying. My point was the Indiana victory alone wasn't why he was fired. So Franklin wasn't fired because of Cignetti, he was fired because they lost games to lesser opponents after the Oregon loss which was the last straw. Also, you playing the stubborn card is pretty amusing. You have now made multiple statements and backtracked on pretty much everyone of them with new qualifiers.
 
I have never asked once for Bobby to be fired. I asked the question and can see some are very hurt about the question. This a pretty tame topic and think it's a useful conversation. However, I can see that a lot of people took it out of context.

As for Nebraska, Frank Solich was getting fired regardless. His offense was regressing every year and fans and administration at that time wanted to get away from the option so they could recruit legit QB's. Bo Pelini was Solich's savior. Nebraska screwed up by not giving Pelini the job.
You are so wrong. The greater part of my family still lives in Nebraska, my parents are UN grads, I was born in Lincoln, and I can't escape the rundown of every UN game from rabid Husker fanatic relatives. Frank's firing was the result of pressure from high placed boosters unable to handle anything but a #1 ranking and Nat'l Championship. My point was your question is exactly the same crap Frank faced under the microscope, and that Nebraska screwed up by pulling the trigger one to two years too soon. Everybody post-Frank has sucked up to the boosters and tried to win in every conceivable fashion, except for how it was done with Devaney and Osborne. I know, I was one of the fools begging for Frank's head at that time and have come to realize how impulsive and foolish I was. You can pretend you didn't send a back-handed slap across Bobby's face all you want, you're not fooling me.
 
You are struggling with comprehension now. I said those played a part. I can't spell it out any more clear. Cignetti's success at Indiana has lessened the patience from administrators and fan support in the FBS. Every weekend there is a game where the crowd is chanting for the firing of a coach. I don't know why you are being so stubborn.
My guy, you are making ENORMOUS logical leaps here and calling it clear and factual. Cignetti's success at Indiana has not had NEARLY the effect on other teams that you are suggesting. College football coaches have always has a short leash based on their own wins and losses.
 
Just clarifying. My point was the Indiana victory alone wasn't why he was fired. So Franklin wasn't fired because of Cignetti, he was fired because they lost games to lesser opponents after the Oregon loss which was the last straw. Also, you playing the stubborn card is pretty amusing. You have now made multiple statements and backtracked on pretty much everyone of them with new qualifiers.
I have clearly stated my position on the Penn State firing. Multiple things can be true at once. I believe Franklin would’ve been fired regardless of the Northwestern outcome because of the Indians win. The stigma that Franklin had was never being able to win the big ones and Cignetti did that IN Oregon.
 
My guy, you are making ENORMOUS logical leaps here and calling it clear and factual. Cignetti's success at Indiana has not had NEARLY the effect on other teams that you are suggesting. College football coaches have always has a short leash based on their own wins and losses.
I agree they are leaps, but I don’t think they are illogical leaps. The transfer portal has given them even shorter leashes. My point was that because of his success at Indians programs like Penn state are not going to be as patient going forward. That’s just my view. I’m ok to be wrong.

My point in this discussion was just that. Is it crazy to fire a coach for not getting over the “hump” and that hump is different for every team. Penn State thing really got sidetracked and only brought it up because both programs are held in high regards in their division with 2 very good and winning football coaches.
 
I have clearly stated my position on the Penn State firing. Multiple things can be true at once. I believe Franklin would’ve been fired regardless of the Northwestern outcome because of the Indians win. The stigma that Franklin had was never being able to win the big ones and Cignetti did that IN Oregon.
And I say they would have fired him regardless of what Cignetti did.
 
I just want to clarify what you are saying 406
If Sac with their new coach beat NDSU Montana would fire Bobby??

Or you saying if North Dakota with a new coach beat NDSU and Griz lost to Portland state and EWU on back to back weekends, it would be because of the NDSU result and not that Montana lost to two bottom feeders that Hauck would be fired??
 
I agree they are leaps, but I don’t think they are illogical leaps. The transfer portal has given them even shorter leashes. My point was that because of his success at Indians programs like Penn state are not going to be as patient going forward. That’s just my view. I’m ok to be wrong.

My point in this discussion was just that. Is it crazy to fire a coach for not getting over the “hump” and that hump is different for every team. Penn State thing really got sidetracked and only brought it up because both programs are held in high regards in their division with 2 very good and winning football coaches.
I guess it is a matter of opinion on whether or not Cignetti's has changed the patience level of other major teams. I don't think is success has altered the level of patience at any other school in any way. But you can't just keep stating your opinion as if it is actually a fact.

Yes, it is crazy to fire a good, highly successful coach just because they have not yet won a national title. Franklin was fired because his teams were vastly underperforming. In this century, we have had far worse results with coaches not named Bobby Hauck than with Bobby Hauck.
 
You are so wrong. The greater part of my family still lives in Nebraska, my parents are UN grads, I was born in Lincoln, and I can't escape the rundown of every UN game from rabid Husker fanatic relatives. Frank's firing was the result of pressure from high placed boosters unable to handle anything but a #1 ranking and Nat'l Championship. My point was your question is exactly the same crap Frank faced under the microscope, and that Nebraska screwed up by pulling the trigger one to two years too soon. Everybody post-Frank has sucked up to the boosters and tried to win in every conceivable fashion, except for how it was done with Devaney and Osborne. I know, I was one of the fools begging for Frank's head at that time and have come to realize how impulsive and foolish I was. You can pretend you didn't send a back-handed slap across Bobby's face all you want, you're not fooling me.
That’s not true. They wanted to get away from the option. The offense was regressing as the defense was getting better under DC Pelini. That’s the truth. Also a big Husker fan with family and a relative who played there. The narrative was always to move away from the option. Again, you are assuming things that aren’t true. I didn’t want Solich fired either, but hindsight is 20/20 and they weren’t going to win another title running the option. It was dead at that point.
 
I guess it is a matter of opinion on whether or not Cignetti's has changed the patience level of other major teams. I don't think is success has altered the level of patience at any other school in any way. But you can't just keep stating your opinion as if it is actually a fact.

Yes, it is crazy to fire a good, highly successful coach just because they have not yet won a national title. Franklin was fired because his teams were vastly underperforming. In this century, we have had far worse results with coaches not named Bobby Hauck than with Bobby Hauck.
It’s really not a big deal and not worth an argument over, but it’s hard for me to believe after what he has done at Indiana that other administrators aren’t questioning whether they could have similar success. That was the whole point of this discussion for me. Clearly I hit a nerve. I have not once bashed our coach or team.

I have agreed and stated that we needed Bobby in 2018. I also asked where we be if he never left. Could have multiple championships.
 
It’s really not a big deal and not worth an argument over, but it’s hard for me to believe after what he has done at Indiana that other administrators aren’t questioning whether they could have similar success. That was the whole point of this discussion for me. Clearly I hit a nerve. I have not once bashed our coach or team.

I have agreed and stated that we needed Bobby in 2018. I also asked where we be if he never left. Could have multiple championships.
Oh, I'm not angry man, you and I have talked plenty on here. No hate. Just seemed like you wanted the discussion, and I engaged.

There are up and coming coaches that have success all the time. It doesn't lead other teams to suddenly fire their coach. I think you are making a connection that does not exist in the real world. If you have any quote from any one in athletic administration that says something like "You know what? After seeing what Cignetti did it made me want to fire our coach and roll the dice with a new guy," then I would be more open to your point.
 
WOW- I like you 406. You jumped right in and attacked the club be it ever so gently. Now the club turned the post into a discussion of other coaches outside the Big Sky. I have nothing to ad to your discussion about other coaches because I only follow the Griz as I have for 34 years and could care less about other teams outside the Big Sky. I will say that the coaching over all this year for the Griz has been exceptional except for a few stupid offensive calls. Recruiting is the issue keeping us from winning a Natty and not coaching. There is only so many good qualified players to get so you have to work with what you have.
 
I know it’s usually all about the wins or losses, but there are a ton of other things Bobby has brought to the table:

- season tickets record
- team GPA records
- players aren’t in jail and staying out of trouble
- Record number of QB club members
- indoor training facility

I’ll take all of that plus the 10 or so wins every season and hopefully we land in a national championship again soon
 
WOW- I like you 406. You jumped right in and attacked the club be it ever so gently. Now the club turned the post into a discussion of other coaches outside the Big Sky. I have nothing to ad to your discussion about other coaches because I only follow the Griz as I have for 34 years and could care less about other teams outside the Big Sky. I will say that the coaching over all this year for the Griz has been exceptional except for a few stupid offensive calls. Recruiting is the issue keeping us from winning a Natty and not coaching. There is only so many good qualified players to get so you have to work with what you have.
If you COULD care less, why don't you?
 
Oh, I'm not angry man, you and I have talked plenty on here. No hate. Just seemed like you wanted the discussion, and I engaged.

There are up and coming coaches that have success all the time. It doesn't lead other teams to suddenly fire their coach. I think you are making a connection that does not exist in the real world. If you have any quote from any one in athletic administration that says something like "You know what? After seeing what Cignetti did it made me want to fire our coach and roll the dice with a new guy," then I would be more open to your point.
I know you aren’t angry. I just was talking about the cignetti thing running its course. I do think they are saying those things being closed doors, and would never say anything like that publicly. We can agree to disagree as it really is only an opinion and I cannot back that up.
 

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