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Bobby Hauck

I think you are missing my point. I am not actively asking for the head of Bobby, nor did i in the post. I don't understand why the conversation is taboo. I like Bobby a ton. This question is asked all over the country everyday, but it seems to be off limits.

To answer your question have no idea who is out there right now, I just know there are a lot of young smart coaches in the country right now. Outside of mentioning not winning any National titles and 1 conference championship I never took a shot at him or his coaches. I have defended Bobby numerous times on this board.
No, I am trying to get you to answer the question about how many elite coaches you believe are currently coaching in FCS based on your criteria that elite coaches win championships. Dude, this question isn't rocket science. I haven't even referred to Bobby in a post.
 
Hauck is none of those guys.

He's a very poor man's James Franklin
Now I regret the post.
To me most important is that the players respect and play hard for a coach. From most accounts I believe the Griz players respect this staff. Those 8-10 wins a year are more wins than 90% of the rest of the teams in college football. The stadium is full every week and tons of money is brought in to Missoula each home game, because of those 10 wins every year.
You state that you want to win national championships, you never will! Your favorite team might but not you, also trust me when I say the coaches and players want to win one waaaaay more than you do.
Biggest problem with national championships is that there is only one won each year and 130 some other teams work very hard to win the same championship the Griz are after.

Social media has had a impact on sports fans. Let me explain, Fans go on FB,X,Insta and other platforms and see fans of other teams posting,boasting, and roasting to other fans and I think feelings get hurt and damnit they want their team to win it all to shut the other fans up.
The last couple years on FB has been hilarious every time something positive is posted about Montana cat fans and bison fans and jack rabbit fans are there to poo poo on the post.
Much of this is brought on by Griz fans, however social media platforms have allowed for fans to be real tools online and develop unrealistic expectations of their favorite team.
Support is huge! I agree with that first statement outside of the fact we aren't getting 10 wins every year. I know what it Looked like when Stitt was here. again, I am not calling for any firings.

if they win the National Championship, what will you say? I am pretty confident you will start that sentence with "we". Get outta here with that garbage.

I do not have social media outside of Egriz, but I do agree that social media has made people more douchey. Proven by my tame post.
 
No, I am trying to get you to answer the question about how many elite coaches you believe are currently coaching in FCS based on your criteria that elite coaches win championships. Dude, this question isn't rocket science. I haven't even referred to Bobby in a post.
I have no idea, honestly. I have no idea how good some of these coordinators or position coaches throughout the league are. I have no agenda and just wanted to hear some thoughts on what people thought.
 
I have no idea, honestly. I have no idea how good some of these coordinators or position coaches throughout the league are. I have no agenda and just wanted to hear some thoughts on what people thought.
There is one based on your definition. A coordinator or position coach can not be considered elite by your definition.
 
Has Bobby taking this program as far as he can? I have been thinking about this ever since the firing of James Franklin. Bobby has been a very successful coach here at Montana and probably one of the best in FCS history. However, it doesn't feel like we are gaining any momentum to win National Championships. He is going to give us 8-10 wins every year, and every 5 years maybe get to 12 or 13. I am generally curious what others think about how far Bobby can take this football program. He has had 14 years at the helm with 0 National titles and only 1 conference championship since returning. In my opinion Bobby is a very good coach, but not elite. I am sure I will get flamed for this take. I think people are scared of what it looks like without Bobby, but there are a ton of young minds that could take this thing to the next level. Look how young coordinators are getting in major programs and the NFL. Just my opinion.
How do you feel about SDSU's previous coach John Stiegelmeier? Honest question.
 
I have no idea, honestly. I have no idea how good some of these coordinators or position coaches throughout the league are. I have no agenda and just wanted to hear some thoughts on what people thought.
I think your analysis is wrong. Everyone wants to win, of course. In the last fifteen years, a total of three current FCS teams have won a title. NDSU being a juggernaut does not make Hauck any worse of a coach.

The first step to winning a national championship is getting into the title game. Hauck is the only coach in the last 20+ years that could get the Griz there.

When Hauck came back, we had missed the playoffs for two straight years. We were ranked what, 30-something? Within 5 seasons, Hauck had us back in the national title game.

I see no logical reason to say he is not elite or cannot win a national championship for Montana. "Has not" is not the same as "Cannot."
 
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I like that Bobby Hauck is staying at Montana until he retires. If we hire a young up and coming coach he will either flame out like Stitt did or if he has success he will leave for the FBS in a few seasons and we are stuck back at square one trying to hire someone new.
I agree we have a good thing going right now. if it ain't broke don't fix it. I don't think my post was as insulting as some seem to think.

After firing James Franklin I started thinking and thought the discussion was important here. I also posed a question wondering if Penn State can win a National Championship in the new modern era. I think it's a bold move to fire a proven winning coach thinking the grass is greener.

I am also a believer that a bad hire here at Montana would set us back much further than any of the blue blood FBS teams.
 
I think your analysis is wrong. Everyone wants to win, of course. In the last fifteen years, a total of three current FCS teams have won a title. NDSU being a juggernaut does not make Hauck any worse of a coach.

The first step to winning a national championship is getting into the title game. Hauck is the only coach in the last 20+ years that could get the Griz there.

When Hauck came back, we had missed the playoffs for two straight years. We were ranked what, 30-something? Within 5 seasons, Hauck had us back in the national title game.

I see no logical reason to say he is not elite or cannot win a national championship for Montana. "Has not" is not the same as "Cannot."
I think Hauck is a very good coach, and exactly what we needed when we hired him back. Nobody else could've turned it around as quick here in my opinion.

I thought the question was fair considering the firing of James Franklin. It's just the landscape of sports now, and Cignetti has lit the college football world on fire which has put a lot of coaches on the hot seat and has people asking this same question.
 
I agree we have a good thing going right now. if it ain't broke don't fix it. I don't think my post was as insulting as some seem to think.

After firing James Franklin I started thinking and thought the discussion was important here. I also posed a question wondering if Penn State can win a National Championship in the new modern era. I think it's a bold move to fire a proven winning coach thinking the grass is greener.

I am also a believer that a bad hire here at Montana would set us back much further than any of the blue blood FBS teams.
I think your primary issue is comparing Franklin/Penn St to Hauck/Montana. These situations couldn't be more different. The money involved in P4 FBS football forces decisions that are not even a considered issue at the FCS level.
 
How do you feel about SDSU's previous coach John Stiegelmeier? Honest question.
That's valid. I didn't pay much attention to them until around 2017 tho. He had a lot of down years, but never was a visible program until his end. It's a great story. How much did Jimmy Rogers play into that success?
 
I think Hauck is a very good coach, and exactly what we needed when we hired him back. Nobody else could've turned it around as quick here in my opinion.

I thought the question was fair considering the firing of James Franklin. It's just the landscape of sports now, and Cignetti has lit the college football world on fire which has put a lot of coaches on the hot seat and has people asking this same question.
I'm not saying that the question is unfair, I was just providing my answer to your question. Always enjoy your thoughts and a good debate. I think you are confusing "has not won a national title" with "cannot win a national title."
 
I think your primary issue is comparing Franklin/Penn St to Hauck/Montana. These situations couldn't be more different. The money involved in P4 FBS football forces decisions that are not even a considered issue at the FCS level.
1000%. I couldn't agree more. I know that a bad hire sets this program way further back than Penn State. They can afford to have a major scandal and $50 Million payout. I also think that if we didn't hire Hauck back in 2018 thing could've gotten even more dire.

The Franklin firing, and Gundy firing have made this conversation relevant. These were good coaches but fired because they "took the program as far as they could" that's the narrative.
 
That's valid. I didn't pay much attention to them until around 2017 tho. He had a lot of down years, but never was a visible program until his end. It's a great story. How much did Jimmy Rogers play into that success?
Considering he was a coach there from 2013-2024, I'd say a lot, but not in the way you seem to be suggesting.
 
1000%. I couldn't agree more. I know that a bad hire sets this program way further back than Penn State. They can afford to have a major scandal and $50 Million payout. I also think that if we didn't hire Hauck back in 2018 thing could've gotten even more dire.

The Franklin firing, and Gundy firing have made this conversation relevant. These were good coaches but fired because they "took the program as far as they could" that's the narrative.
I disagree, if the $$$ wasn't the biggest thing driving FBS football, I don't think Franklin gets fired. Gundy should have been fired seasons ago because he turned OSU into a dumpster fire, not because he couldn't get over the proverbial hump. Neither of these are relevant to Montana and Hauck.
 
I disagree, if the $$$ wasn't the biggest thing driving FBS football, I don't think Franklin gets fired. Gundy should have been fired seasons ago because he turned OSU into a dumpster fire, not because he couldn't get over the proverbial hump. Neither of these are relevant to Montana and Hauck.
Gundy should have been fired when he got caught leaking negative stories about his own players to the press and then attacking the press for printing them.
 
I'm not saying that the question is unfair, I was just providing my answer to your question. Always enjoy your thoughts and a good debate. I think you are confusing "has not won a national title" with "cannot win a national title."

Considering he was a coach there from 2013-2024, I'd say a lot, but not in the way you seem to be suggest
Considering he was a coach there from 2013-2024, I'd say a lot, but not in the way you seem to be suggesting.

I disagree, if the $$$ wasn't the biggest thing driving FBS football, I don't think Franklin gets fired. Gundy should have been fired seasons ago because he turned OSU into a dumpster fire, not because he couldn't get over the proverbial hump. Neither of these are relevant to Montana and Hauck.
Franklin got fired because of Cignetti. Oklahoma State had 4 winning seasons before Gundy got there. They are all relevant because this is college football and this is the landscape of college football. We are playing under the same rules, just different money. Gundy didn't turn anything into a dumpster fire, he just didn't want to play the portal game. Won 10 games in 2023.
 
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