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Too many mistakes early, good composure, adjustments, dominant D in 2d half, and a nice win

GriznMN said:
It helps when you have great blocks by Ian Finch and Brian Gale/Evan Shafer
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TE’s and perimeter guys have done well in the run game. Historically they wouldn’t be seeing the field if they didn’t under Hauck.

Isn’t it Josh Gale? We are lucky to get ES back this year. He is so versatile as a TE, extra OL or FB. He’s an absolute road grader.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Hauck:
"And I didn't think our quarterback was as accurate in the first half.

"There were some harder catches, I thought that he settled in and saw things better in the second half."
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You left out the “first piece”. What you quoted was the “second piece”.
BH was asked why they started connecting on passes more in the second half and he said there were two pieces to that.
The first piece was that they “weren’t making plays on the ball well enough”. In other words, it wasn’t the QB, it was the WRs. That’s what I saw too. For one third down, #3 had a bad drop. Just watched the replay and the announcer said #3 heard footsteps on that play. Drive ended. Same exact thing happened with #9. And I believe two other drives ended on drops too. You combine those crucial, drive-killing drops with the many other mistakes by the WRs/TE and it’s clear that room graded out worse than the QB.
Not saying KAY played a perfect game or even his best game, but it was not as bad as many think and certainly not his worst, either. Too many posters are trying to heap the majority the reasons for the O struggling on the QB but I think that’s misplaced and the WRs/TE and OC should receive most of the criticism.
KAY would have been more “accurate” if the WRs “made plays on the ball” and he likely would have “settled in” sooner.
 
garizzalies said:
You left out the “first piece”. What you quoted was the “second piece”.
BH was asked why they started connecting on passes more in the second half and he said there were two pieces to that.
The first piece was that they “weren’t making plays on the ball well enough”. In other words, it wasn’t the QB, it was the WRs. That’s what I saw too. For one third down, #3 had a bad drop. Just watched the replay and the announcer said #3 heard footsteps on that play. Drive ended. Same exact thing happened with #9. And I believe two other drives ended on drops too. You combine those crucial, drive-killing drops with the many other mistakes by the WRs/TE and it’s clear that room graded out worse than the QB.
Not saying KAY played a perfect game or even his best game, but it was not as bad as many think and certainly not his worst, either. Too many posters are trying to heap the majority the reasons for the O struggling on the QB but I think that’s misplaced and the WRs/TE and OC should receive most of the criticism.
KAY would have been more “accurate” if the WRs “made plays on the ball” and he likely would have “settled in” sooner.
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I thought Hauck was talking about the defense, but don't know. To me, D players make plays on the balls, but I suppose receivers can too. I only read the article; didn't listen to interview and don't know the question. Nevertheless, the most important part on this subject is what I quoted. He wasn't "as accurate in the first half" [just what we have been saysing. He "settled in and saw things better in second half", indicating that he was not settled in the first half and didn't see things well in the first half".

"And I didn't think our quarterback was as accurate in the first half.

"There were some harder catches, I thought that he settled in and saw things better in the second half."

You are cherry-picking. Yes the receivers had a few drops and may not have made plays, but most of the problem was Ah Yat being off, throwing to the throw receiver, and making weak decisions. Not one except you is saying Ah Yat played well in the first half. At least one posters said it was Ah Yat's game of the season. Feel free to keep at it, but you are wrong on this one.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I thought Hauck was talking about the defense, but don't know. To me, D players make plays on the balls, but I suppose receivers can too. I only read the article; didn't listen to interview and don't know the question. Nevertheless, the most important part on this subject is what I quoted. He wasn't "as accurate in the first half" [just what we have been saysing. He "settled in and saw things better in second half", indicating that he was not settled in the first half and didn't see things well in the first half".

"And I didn't think our quarterback was as accurate in the first half.

"There were some harder catches, I thought that he settled in and saw things better in the second half."

You are cherry-picking. Yes the receivers had a few drops and may not have made plays, but most of the problem was Ah Yat being off, throwing to the throw receiver, and making weak decisions. Not one except you is saying Ah Yat played well in the first half. At least one posters said it was Ah Yat's game of the season. Feel free to keep at it, but you are wrong on this one.
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Nope. You’re wrong. BH was not talking about the defense. He was talking about the WRs. That throws off your whole argument.
I’m not cherry-picking. I specifically identified 15 mistakes by the WRs. In theory, the QB only had 14 as he was 27-41. In fact, a major adjustment in the second half involved not relying on the WRs by passing to the RBs and rushing the QB. Don’t think I said KAY “played well in the first half”.
 
garizzalies said:
Nope. You’re wrong. BH was not talking about the defense. He was talking about the WRs. That throws off your whole argument.
I’m not cherry-picking. I specifically identified 15 mistakes by the WRs. In theory, the QB only had 14 as he was 27-41. In fact, a major adjustment in the second half involved not relying on the WRs by passing to the RBs and rushing the QB. Don’t think I said KAY “played well in the first half”.
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It becomes confusing when "our coach" can't "our quarterback's" name. You know, like "our rival".

Adds to the "mystique"!
 
After rewatching the game, I will say that KAY had another great game. Could he have hit on some tough throws. Sure but most of the time the WRs were double teamed. Could he have found the open WR on broken plays? Yes. Could the OC have called a better game? Possibly. Could WRs/TE/RBs have caught the catchable balls? Yes. Could the offense have executed better in the first three quarters? Yes. Definitely. He had exceptional option runs but I don't want to see him run much.

With all that said, he had an exceptional fake RPO handoff, backwards drop step and pitch to Gillman for a 21 yard pickup in the 4th Qtr. If you've never played QB, you will not realize how hard it is to do that and what goes into making a play like that. Very few college QBs can make that play because of the footwork, body control, and awareness it requires. Ah Yat has to be one of the most athletic quarterbacks the Griz have ever had.
 
garizzalies said:
Nope. You’re wrong. BH was not talking about the defense. He was talking about the WRs. That throws off your whole argument.
I’m not cherry-picking. I specifically identified 15 mistakes by the WRs. In theory, the QB only had 14 as he was 27-41. In fact, a major adjustment in the second half involved not relying on the WRs by passing to the RBs and rushing the QB. Don’t think I said KAY “played well in the first half”.
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No, you are wrong. This is what you said:

"I thought KAY played great. [He didn't play well in first half.
The receivers and TE’s played terrible.
Lots of drops, missed blocks, wrong routes, substitution errors, terrible fumble, personal foul, missed punt return. #81 and #9 had their worst games yet.
Not much separation, and no break aways or spectacular catches. The best plays came when KAY made elite passes. [There was good separation most of the game.]

Ah Yat was 11-21 for 83 yards and 1 interception in the first half. 52%. His longest completion went for 11 yards. You think that's "great". He rushed 9-18 for the game.

For the game, he was 27-41. So, in the 2d half, he was 16-20 for 174 yards and no picks. That is very good.

What Hauck said about the first half is absolutely correct.

"And I didn't think our quarterback was as accurate in the first half. [He was NOT accurate.]

"There were some harder catches, I thought that he settled in and saw things better in the second half." [He settled down in 2d half and saw things better.]

You didn't identify 15 mistakes by the receivers. You just made stuff up. Feel free to identify all the mistakes made by receivers in the first half. Identify the play. There were 10 incompletions including the pick. I can't wait to see your "tiny" list.

No. 81 was targeted once and he dropped the ball. I believe that was the 2d half. I don't recall any other targets of TE's. I got a text from a friend at halftime who said the TE's were open and not thrown too.
 
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GriznMN said:
After rewatching the game, I will say that KAY had another great game. Could he have hit on some tough throws. Sure but most of the time the WRs were double teamed. Could he have found the open WR on broken plays? Yes. Could the OC have called a better game? Possibly. Could WRs/TE/RBs have caught the catchable balls? Yes. Could the offense have executed better in the first three quarters? Yes. Definitely. He had exceptional option runs but I don't want to see him run much.

With all that said, he had an exceptional fake RPO handoff, backwards drop step and pitch to Gillman for a 21 yard pickup in the 4th Qtr. If you've never played QB, you will not realize how hard it is to do that and what goes into making a play like that. Very few college QBs can make that play because of the footwork, body control, and awareness it requires. Ah Yat has to be one of the most athletic quarterbacks the Griz have ever had.
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See my comment above with the stats. Ah Yat had a weak first half, and the coach said that. Ah Yat was 16-20 for 174 in 2d half with no picks and 1 TD. His long was 41. That was a very good HALF. His rushing was 9-18 for the game.
 
mthoopsfan said:
See my comment above with the stats. Ah Yat had a weak first half, and the coach said that. Ah Yat was 16-20 for 174 in 2d half with no picks and 1 TD. His long was 41. That was a very good HALF. His rushing was 9-18 for the game.
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Hoops have you heard anything regarding the timeline for Kyon Loyd’s return?
 
You were wrong about the quote. You thought BH was talking about defense. He wasn’t. I’m not saying your opinion of KAY’s performance is wrong. You can have any opinion you want, but you can’t put words in my mouth that I never said, like KAY played well in the first half. That’s wrong too. Never said that. I said he had a great game, and IMHO, he did. Would have been even better if not for all the mistakes by others and possibly some play designs where deep shots were called in short yardage situations. The WRs/TE were collectively more “off” than the QB—the announcer even said KAY was “dotting i’s”—and adjustments had to be made in the 2d half including more QB runs and RB receptions to move the chains. There were multiple spectacular passes but I don’t recall a single spectacular catch.
Your opinion is based on the “second piece” of BH’s quote, mine is based on the “first piece” that you left out. Neither of our opinions are “right” because BH said both. If anything, I’m right-er because he said my piece first and it caused the second piece. Ha.

Here are the 15 mistakes by the WRs/TE which I already identified. I never said they all occurred in the first half. That’s you trying to add stuff again. I thought there were 14 incompletions, why are you saying only 10?
1-4) at least four drops, maybe 5, 2 were drive killers, possibly 3;
5) at least two missed blocks that I saw, but I’m only counting this as one;
6) first substitution error;
7) second substitution error;
8) terrible fumble;
9) personal foul which would have been a drive killer if not for KAY’s next elite pass to keep the drive alive and eventually take the lead on this drive;
10) missed punt return (again twice but only counting as one) and again KAY’s elite passing saved our bacon and lead to the best drive of the season (BH even said this pass was huge);
11) wrong route on pick;
12) WRs ran out of bounds twice but again only counting this for one;
13) not fighting for extra yardage or the first down, this also happened multiple times but only counting it as one;
14) WR fell down; and
15) sack because no separation or fell.
 
garizzalies said:
You were wrong about the quote. You thought BH was talking about defense. He wasn’t. I’m not saying your opinion of KAY’s performance is wrong. You can have any opinion you want, but you can’t put words in my mouth that I never said, like KAY played well in the first half. That’s wrong too. Never said that. I said he had a great game, and IMHO, he did. Would have been even better if not for all the mistakes by others and possibly some play designs where deep shots were called in short yardage situations. The WRs/TE were collectively more “off” than the QB—the announcer even said KAY was “dotting i’s”—and adjustments had to be made in the 2d half including more QB runs and RB receptions to move the chains. There were multiple spectacular passes but I don’t recall a single spectacular catch.
Your opinion is based on the “second piece” of BH’s quote, mine is based on the “first piece” that you left out. Neither of our opinions are “right” because BH said both. If anything, I’m right-er because he said my piece first and it caused the second piece. Ha.

Here are the 15 mistakes by the WRs/TE which I already identified. I never said they all occurred in the first half. That’s you trying to add stuff again. I thought there were 14 incompletions, why are you saying only 10?
1-4) at least four drops, maybe 5, 2 were drive killers, possibly 3;
5) at least two missed blocks that I saw, but I’m only counting this as one;
6) first substitution error;
7) second substitution error;
8) terrible fumble;
9) personal foul which would have been a drive killer if not for KAY’s next elite pass to keep the drive alive and eventually take the lead on this drive;
10) missed punt return (again twice but only counting as one) and again KAY’s elite passing saved our bacon and lead to the best drive of the season (BH even said this pass was huge);
11) wrong route on pick;
12) WRs ran out of bounds twice but again only counting this for one;
13) not fighting for extra yardage or the first down, this also happened multiple times but only counting it as one;
14) WR fell down; and
15) sack because no separation or fell.
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My quote of Hauck was 100% accurate. Don't be silly.

We're talking the first half, not the game.

Tell us the plays when there were drops.

Two missed blocks be receivers? Oh come on, there are missed blocks on many plays. How did a missed block hurt Ah Yat?

Explain the substitution errors and tell us more on the receivers.

The fumble was in the 2d half and wasn't on pass play. Yes, bad fumble.

What was the personal foul? I don't recall.

Missed punt return? Huh? That has nothing to do with receivers.

It was a wrong throw and to the wrong person by Ah Yat. I call BS on the wrong route downfield. It looked like the right route to me.

WR receivers running out of bounds? So what? Who cares?

Tell us when a WR didn't fight for more yardage? Which plays?

Blaming sacks on receivers? That's too funny.

You really don't have a clue about the game of football. You just proved it with that post.
 
garizzalies said:
You were wrong about the quote. You thought BH was talking about defense. He wasn’t. I’m not saying your opinion of KAY’s performance is wrong. You can have any opinion you want, but you can’t put words in my mouth that I never said, like KAY played well in the first half. That’s wrong too. Never said that. I said he had a great game, and IMHO, he did. Would have been even better if not for all the mistakes by others and possibly some play designs where deep shots were called in short yardage situations. The WRs/TE were collectively more “off” than the QB—the announcer even said KAY was “dotting i’s”—and adjustments had to be made in the 2d half including more QB runs and RB receptions to move the chains. There were multiple spectacular passes but I don’t recall a single spectacular catch.
Your opinion is based on the “second piece” of BH’s quote, mine is based on the “first piece” that you left out. Neither of our opinions are “right” because BH said both. If anything, I’m right-er because he said my piece first and it caused the second piece. Ha.

Here are the 15 mistakes by the WRs/TE which I already identified. I never said they all occurred in the first half. That’s you trying to add stuff again. I thought there were 14 incompletions, why are you saying only 10?
1-4) at least four drops, maybe 5, 2 were drive killers, possibly 3;
5) at least two missed blocks that I saw, but I’m only counting this as one;
6) first substitution error;
7) second substitution error;
8) terrible fumble;
9) personal foul which would have been a drive killer if not for KAY’s next elite pass to keep the drive alive and eventually take the lead on this drive;
10) missed punt return (again twice but only counting as one) and again KAY’s elite passing saved our bacon and lead to the best drive of the season (BH even said this pass was huge);
11) wrong route on pick;
12) WRs ran out of bounds twice but again only counting this for one;
13) not fighting for extra yardage or the first down, this also happened multiple times but only counting it as one;
14) WR fell down; and
15) sack because no separation or fell.
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It’s pointless to continue this discussion. We are wasting space. Everything you said is correct.
 
Wolf777 said:
We seem to still really be struggling on the right side of the offensive line. The problem seems to come down to guard and seems like the staff is well aware. They gave Freitas a run in there and he seemed to get pushed back quite a bit, even in the run game. Matan whiffed on quite a few blocks and on blocks in space. They passed off better in the passing game, but still gave up too much pressure. Since Bobby is confident in Klimczak and Botner at Center maybe he would be comfortable with sliding Botner to guard, but I doubt it as Center already seems like being out of place for him as he was a tackle most of his career.

I like what I saw from Amick in relief of Johnson given that it was at the end of the game in a runaway, but maybe we could bump Johnson back down to guard and give it a run. Regardless of the solution, if we want a deep run, it needs to improve.

Really wish we still had Journey for his senior year. Think we would be seeing a little more dominance in the run game if we did.
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I seem to remember that many of our successful runs in the ISU game were to the middle/right side such that I was thinking how surprised I was that they were doing better than the left. Of course ISU had that large beast on our left side.
And that could be a part of why one side does better than the other in any particular game - who's on the other side.
 
behappp said:
I seem to remember that many of our successful runs in the ISU game were to the middle/right side such that I was thinking how surprised I was that they were doing better than the left. Of course ISU had that large beast on our left side.
And that could be a part of why one side does better than the other in any particular game - who's on the other side.
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Very well could, but I sure hope we have it figured out by late November.
 
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