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Death of the WAC, Opportunity for Summit to Sponsor Football

Ut-Grizfan said:
Bit of an update but supposedly rumors the Summit will be getting Football value here soon along with Sac State going FBS Indy. Thinking there's a pretty good chance the WAC may be merging with the Summit and they begin to sponsor Football. Grain of salt as usual but things are getting interesting:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1899604007393411191
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When talking about classifying down, what are people really meaning? D1 schools going D2? Some FCS teams coming back home from the FBS? I just don't follow a lot of FBS information, so I'm out of the loop
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
When talking about classifying down, what are people really meaning? D1 schools going D2? Some FCS teams coming back home from the FBS? I just don't follow a lot of FBS information, so I'm out of the loop
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I'm not 100% on it as well but my understanding is it's mainly D1 to D2 institutions and a few moving down to FCS for Football.
 
flowtowngriz said:
If we stay in the big sky, the program isn't going to grow. Harlem has even referred to this. I might be paraphrasing this but he said what does the big sky have to offer the Montana's to stay. It is not what is best for the conference but what is the best for the school.
Stay in the big sky and survive. We will keep playing for a natty but still be irrelevant nationally. Which our recruiting regional and tv audience. Less eyes on the school, harder to get recruits and out of state students to attend the U. Who pay at least twice as much for tuition then in state.

Make it known we want to move to fbs. And IF we get invited then we will get lots more national coverage in all major sports. Which in return bring in more out of state students, larger pool of recruiting, play better competition at wa-griz and possibly win say mwc. Which in 2026 best teams will be unlv, Wyoming, or air force.
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(1) The B1G commissioner is stating a goal of getting 4 million for each football broadcast going forward. They’re now on three networks besides running their own relatively successful network.

(2) The SEC sounds like they’re ready to poach a couple ACC schools. They’re expecting ESPN and ABC to show as many of their games as possible.

(3) So the reason the next iteration of the Pac has any discussions with networks at all is because the one real timeslot those networks have is at 7:30 pm Pacific on Saturday. For having presence in a medium market or two (San Diego, Pacific Northwest), they’ll get paid a third of what the ACC gets paid… but they’ll also get a media contract before the Mountain West does because of those markets.

(4) Last fall, there’s an NFL game where CBS was promoting Michigan vs USC the following Saturday, and went on about it (that used to be THE Rose Bowl matchup, b’gosh) for a good 5 minutes. Networks are victims of cord cutting to a large degree… it’s possible they’re using college football as a loss leader. So if you’ve heard talk of networks wanting to REDUCE the number of schools in the B1G and SEC, it’s because they’ve sent the message that the B1G commissioner relayed in bullet (1). They don’t want an expansion of college football- they think they’re overpaying. They want to reduce it. They want to feed less schools.

So where’s Montana going to gain attention? All the conditions are being generated to deny attention to a lot of schools already in FBS. Don’t count on Montana getting a break.

If you want to fight that, time to get creative.
 
You are correct on your post about the big boys taking more of the pie and separating themselves from the group of 5 or 6 and wanting all the major tv deals but what is the acc, pac, mwc, sun belt, aac, and Mac going to do?
In 2032 will most likely be the next major conference realignment. That is because the power 2 will be getting there new media contracts. The power 2 will take who they think will add value to there conferences. There is some talk about kicking out a few teams that don't align with there vision.
So what does the group of 6 do? Create there own playoff system? That is being discussed right now, not real serious discussions but it being discussed.
Now what about fcs? Well the fcs will most likely become the old division 2 with a new name. Little to no tv exposure, with a championship that no one watches except the teams fans like the fcs is right now. Do you watch the d2 championship game? I know i don't. Only reason I follow the fcs is because of montana.

So what do we do? Stay fcs and play with the division 2 program of 30 years ago? And play for a championship game that no one cares about except for the school fans?
Move to fbs or the old fcs of 30 years ago. Play maybe a fbs championship game if new playoffs are created. Play with peer school and bring more attention to the school to help with enrollment and exposure.
We will never play with the sec or big10. So that is nonsense. But we can play with the g6
 
flowtowngriz said:
You are correct on your post about the big boys taking more of the pie and separating themselves from the group of 5 or 6 and wanting all the major tv deals but what is the acc, pac, mwc, sun belt, aac, and Mac going to do?
In 2032 will most likely be the next major conference realignment. That is because the power 2 will be getting there new media contracts. The power 2 will take who they think will add value to there conferences. There is some talk about kicking out a few teams that don't align with there vision.
So what does the group of 6 do? Create there own playoff system? That is being discussed right now, not real serious discussions but it being discussed.
Now what about fcs? Well the fcs will most likely become the old division 2 with a new name. Little to no tv exposure, with a championship that no one watches except the teams fans like the fcs is right now. Do you watch the d2 championship game? I know i don't. Only reason I follow the fcs is because of montana.

So what do we do? Stay fcs and play with the division 2 program of 30 years ago? And play for a championship game that no one cares about except for the school fans?
Move to fbs or the old fcs of 30 years ago. Play maybe a fbs championship game if new playoffs are created. Play with peer school and bring more attention to the school to help with enrollment and exposure.
We will never play with the sec or big10. So that is nonsense. But we can play with the g6
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Why would FCS become D2? Why wouldn’t FCS continue as FCS, and with good and fun playoff system? UM knows who it is and what it is, and what it can afford and be successful at. If some other nice opportunity presents itself and looks feasible, then UM will consider that.
 
I think the FCS designation is going away. All FCS schools that opt-in will have the same scholarship limits as FBS. Those former FCS schools will get thrown in with the former non P5 schools. The FCS schools that don't opt-in will be headed for a different designation, whether D2 or they make another D1 subset.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
I think the FCS designation is going away. All FCS schools that opt-in will have the same scholarship limits as FBS. Those former FCS schools will get thrown in with the former non P5 schools. The FCS schools that don't opt-in will be headed for a different designation, whether D2 or they make another D1 subset.
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I'm thinking it will be the following using some simplistic labeling for now:

-D1A: Power Teams and any program willing to spend the $$ (ND etc.) I'm thinking around 72 Teams

-D1AA: G6 Schools and upper FCS (*We should be here*)

D2: FCS schools who can't afford to be in D1AA will relocate to D2.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
I'm thinking it will be the following using some simplistic labeling for now:

-D1A: Power Teams and any program willing to spend the $$ (ND etc.) I'm thinking around 72 Teams

-D1AA: G6 Schools and upper FCS (*We should be here*)

D2: FCS schools who can't afford to be in D1AA will relocate to D2.
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The networks don’t want 72 schools. I’m guessing 30 tops. It’s not the Top 30 pushing that 72 school plan, naturally… and if it does happen, I’m willing to bet some form of promotion and relegation is involved.

(Noting that John Canzano stated yesterday that the Mountain West is likely to ask to negotiate a Pro/Rel arrangement with the Pac in lawsuit settlement talks, which the Pac schools will reject.)

The rest will be streamed. Some do good business in other sports… and please note that Fox will pay the Big East next year about the same amount of money for basketball as the Pac is likely to get for all sports… and there’s a reason Gonzaga was invited to the Pac.
 
Pounder said:
The networks don’t want 72 schools. I’m guessing 30 tops. It’s not the Top 30 pushing that 72 school plan, naturally… and if it does happen, I’m willing to bet some form of promotion and relegation is involved.

(Noting that John Canzano stated yesterday that the Mountain West is likely to ask to negotiate a Pro/Rel arrangement with the Pac in lawsuit settlement talks, which the Pac schools will reject.)

The rest will be streamed. Some do good business in other sports… and please note that Fox will pay the Big East next year about the same amount of money for basketball as the Pac is likely to get for all sports… and there’s a reason Gonzaga was invited to the Pac.
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The future D1A will absolutely be around 70 teams, which essentially are the teams that currently comprise the four big conferences (B10, Big 12, ACC, SEC). There's no way even the "weaker" teams of these power conferences (Arizona St, Rutgers, NC State, etc) belong anywhere near the new D1AA.
 
get'em_griz said:
The future D1A will absolutely be around 70 teams, which essentially are the teams that currently comprise the four big conferences (B10, Big 12, ACC, SEC). There's no way even the "weaker" teams of these power conferences (Arizona St, Rutgers, NC State, etc) belong anywhere near the new D1AA.
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Not to mention I feel if they try to split off and leave to many teams behind it would create ALOT of legal issues with States suing for being left out, Congress getting involved etc.

The idea I think that would be best is to follow a similar NFL style format and have 8 Divisions made up of 9 teams based on Regionality. Can Call them NCFC and ACFC (National/American College Football League), would give each team 8 Conference games and up to 4 OOC for Marquee matchups, rivalries etc.
 
get'em_griz said:
The future D1A will absolutely be around 70 teams, which essentially are the teams that currently comprise the four big conferences (B10, Big 12, ACC, SEC). There's no way even the "weaker" teams of these power conferences (Arizona St, Rutgers, NC State, etc) belong anywhere near the new D1AA.
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Weaker teams like #4 ASU. You should put a bit more effort behind your statements.
 
The power division in my opinion will be between 60 to 80 teams. They will be not part of the ncaa governing body and be their own league for football only.
I believe this will all start happening in about 5 years.
Lawsuits? Shit there is some many Lawsuits going right now teams vs conference, conference vs conference, players vs ncaa.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
Not to mention I feel if they try to split off and leave to many teams behind it would create ALOT of legal issues with States suing for being left out, Congress getting involved etc.

The idea I think that would be best is to follow a similar NFL style format and have 8 Divisions made up of 9 teams based on Regionality. Can Call them NCFC and ACFC (National/American College Football League), would give each team 8 Conference games and up to 4 OOC for Marquee matchups, rivalries etc.
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There is no way the Big 2 would agree to this.
 
They are already having meetings about it. Why do you think they are pushing to 4 autobids for each conference after next years playoffs. Ball is already rolling with nil contracts.
 
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