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Pawlak?

nicktaber58 said:
Yep, it's so tough for these position coaches. Some of the escalators in Bobby's contract also apply to the assistants, but in general you position coaches are making 40-60, max. You should see the salaries of the head coaches in the non revenue sports...
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Oline coach made about 100k base and RB coach makes about 80k base. Get other incentives on top of that.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I'm not relitigating this. You said that we should be playing a Montana NAIA team on the schedule every year, and I told you why that was an asinine idea that helps nobody. When a separate conversation comes up about how much coaches are paid, and I say "it is even worse in the NAIA," that really has nothing to do with scheduling them to play us except to show, again, how far below the Griz that the programs in the NAIA are.
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If that is the case you should not be using NAIA as an example. It's like saying coaches leave for the pros or an FBS team because of money . That should have nothing to do with the FCS. If you are going to compare it according to you it should strictly be FCS to FCS. I just can't understand you sometimes. You want your cake and eat it too.
 
BDizzle said:
Oline coach made about 100k base and RB coach makes about 80k base. Get other incentives on top of that.
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So that means if Pawlak left for the money he would need to double that say $200K plus? According to Eldod the last coach at Western Michigan made $120K.Does not sound like he left Montana for the money.
 
MantanaGrizzly said:
Agreed, but very tough piece to lose with his connections to the big boys in the mid west..
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I get this line of thought, but the only midwestern big boy he's brought in was Carter Bowen, our 4 HS OL this class were from Washington, Missoula and Hawaii.

I will say, as much as I think this sucks, he was here one year (and our OL during his one season weren't exactly amazing), and so what we're mad about isn't exactly lost results, but the prospect of OL improvement.

It's really just the worst possible situation, because we are pretty sure he was gonna be great, but we never got to see those results, so he hardly has a legacy to speak of at all, and he wasn't here long enough to build a new culture in the position group. Shit sucks, as they say.
 
This sucks. Was really hoping he'd be around for a few years. He's clearly a great recruiter and makes me worry we are going to lose some guys now. I think he'd have improved the o line tremendously with time but, thats out the window. One of the few coaches I really didn't want gone.
 
While we should spend some time recruiting the MW, our focus will remain Montana and the rest of The Inland and Pacific NW, and I would include Hawaii. Just look where our incoming O lineman in the '25 class are coming from: Montana, Washington and Hawaii. And that is nothing new.

The Midwest sounds great, and there may be some opportunities to recruit some big high school O linemen with images of "Yellowstone," " 1923," " A River Runs Through It ," etc. in their minds-- they want to become a cowboy or a mountain man in addition to a first-class college education so they're interested in UM. But the Midwest is also really crowded with The Big 10, The Big 12, The MAC, and our own FCS MVC.

Given the dissolution of The Pac 12 into the Pac ? and the resulting turbulence in The Mountain West, we may even more candidates in the NW than we had even 2 or 3 years ago !!!

I like the idea of looking for a GA at a Washington, Oregon, WAZZU, Oregon State, etc. that is from and already knows the region beginning their collegiate coaching career or better yet, a former GRIZ O lineman already coaching elsewhere that wants to return to the den--WA-GRIZ !!! ( Think Bobby Hauck, Travis DeCuire, Justin Green.).

Given Bobby's coaching connections--doesn't hurt that he is president of the AFCA, as well as our staff's, I am confident we will end up with a high-quality O- line coach, but given that Spring Ball has already started, life would be great if we could hire that new O-line coach within the next 7-10 days so he can start working with our O line now as opposed to waiting until August !!!
 
oldngrizzly said:
So that means if Pawlak left for the money he would need to double that say $200K plus? According to Eldod the last coach at Western Michigan made $120K.Does not sound like he left Montana for the money.
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He is leaving for the opportunity to coach FBS. He will have more access to higher level talent now and I am sure he is most likely hoping to move up the ladder as most aspire to do. Also, he gets a pay raise. Is there really anything else?
 
406football said:
He is leaving for the opportunity to coach FBS. He will have more access to higher level talent now and I am sure he is most likely hoping to move up the ladder as most aspire to do. Also, he gets a pay raise. Is there really anything else?
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I agree with everything, 406, but " more access to higher-level talent." I guess maybe more in terms of numbers, though Seattle-Tacoma has a little over 4 million residents and the Spokane region, almost 800,000. But most of our incoming O linemen, 406. and while I am far from an expert on Western Michigan football, I think the 3-star kids in their region is who they're recruiting. I don't think Western is competing with Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State for 4 and 5 star student-athletes.
 
billingsgriz said:
I agree with everything, 406, but " more access to higher-level talent." I guess maybe more in terms of numbers, though Seattle-Tacoma has a little over 4 million residents and the Spokane region, almost 800,000. But most of our incoming O linemen, 406. and while I am far from an expert on Western Michigan football, I think the 3-star kids in their region is who they're recruiting. I don't think Western is competing with Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State for 4 and 5 star student-athletes.
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I completely agree. I was only offering that side because there are so many 3 star athletes and they aren't at all the same caliber. Some are true 3 stars, some are below, and a few rank higher. It depends on different variables of being noticed or being able to afford regional and national camps.
 
Western Michigan is a big time program for sure.I am sure they could recruit the likes of who knows who.It's a down grade from Montana which is well at this point not saying a lot.
 
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