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If Cats don't win in Frisco, should Vigen be moved on?

PTGrizzly said:
The last 15 points were scored on backups…
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SDSU scored 14 points in 4tg Q too. The stats are the stats, just as in all the other games in SDSU stats. When SDSU was beating most of the other teams badly, do you think SDSU wasn't playing backups?
 
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Blgs Griz Fan said:
The performance analysis is valid. One thing that hasn't been mentioned in comparing Vigen and the cats to Hauck and the Griz is the status of each program when the new coach took over.
Vigen inherited a program on the rise thanks to Choate much like Hauck 1.0 did.
However, Hauck 2.0 inherited a pile of stitt that needed a complete overhaul. Enter in the transfer portal and nil and I can understand the Griz struggles.
Can Vigen sustain the cats once Mellott graduates? I think there will be a fall back.
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UM was ranked 33d in the post-season poll after Stitt's last season. That's way down there.
 
mthoopsfan said:
This is a question for Poorgriz.

Griz will have been more successful in past 2 seasons than Cats, unless Cats win in Frisco. See below.

In last 2 seasons:

1. Griz are 23-6 and 4-2 playoffs, with loss in Frisco

2. If Cats lose to SD in semis, Cats will be 22-5 and 2-2 playoffs, with no trip to Frisco

3. If Cats beat SD and get to Frisco but lose, Cats will end up 23-5 and 3-2. [same wins as UM, 1 less loss, 1 less playoff win - advantage Griz]

4. If Cats win in Frisco, Cats will be 24-4, and 4-1 in playoffs. [Advantage Cats, by 1 more win, 2 less losses, same playoff wins, 1 less playoff loss, and national championship]
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GriznBigfork said:
Mr. Hoops,

You mentioned the last two seasons and your statistics are correct.

Question back to you is should the Griz retain Coach Hauck? He has been a very successful coach, but he is 0-4 in the FCS Championship.

Since his return he is 2-4 against your rival.

So I am wondering what your question is really about with, regards to winning the Championship. If Vigen gets to the Championship he will have taken the team there twice as well as a semifinal.

Are you thinking that your rival has a higher ceiling and can get a better coach to get them a FCS title. While your team will be okay with a coach that has beat his rivals sometimes, but has not proven he can win the championship.

I don’t know all the details of your team nor the conference, but I am a little perplexed by your logic.
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One factor that you're overlooking is the SOS, strength of schedule, in the playoffs.
Actually that could hold true for the season.
The bobcats have had an easier SOS in the playoffs except last year when the ran into NDSU early and lost at home.
 
Vigen always loses the big games whether that is agaainst UM in Missoula or against Dakota State anywhere his MSU teams always fall short. As a Griz fan I hope they keep Vigen forever in Bozeman so we can guarantee beating the Cats every year ending in an odd number.
 
5280Griz said:
Vigen always loses the big games whether that is agaainst UM in Missoula or against Dakota State anywhere his MSU teams always fall short. As a Griz fan I hope they keep Vigen forever in Bozeman so we can guarantee beating the Cats every year ending in an odd number.
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I’m still a little bit confused why you believe Hauck is so much better than Vigen the last 4 years.
The Cats are winning the even years and Hauck is 1-3 versus the DSU’s.

If Vigen takes the Cats to Frisco he will have guided a team there twice in the past 4 seasons.
If he loses he is 0-2 in the championship game. Bobby will obviously have a better record than Vigen against the DSU’s.

His championships are still going to be the same at 0.

Help an outsider with what I am missing that makes Hauck a way better coach.
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
One factor that you're overlooking is the SOS, strength of schedule, in the playoffs.
Actually that could hold true for the season.
The bobcats have had an easier SOS in the playoffs except last year when the ran into NDSU early and lost at home.
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Not sure how the SOS factors in here with looking at multiple seasons and Hauck and Vigens head to head record and both coaches records against the DSU’s.

I will concur that the Bobcats had an easier SOS as shown by many different rating systems.
 
MNFan said:
I’m still a little bit confused why you believe Hauck is so much better than Vigen the last 4 years.
The Cats are winning the even years and Hauck is 1-3 versus the DSU’s.

If Vigen takes the Cats to Frisco he will have guided a team there twice in the past 4 seasons.
If he loses he is 0-2 in the championship game. Bobby will obviously have a better record than Vigen against the DSU’s.

His championships are still going to be the same at 0.

Help an outsider with what I am missing that makes Hauck a way better coach.
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They are pretty similar I don’t see where the move on from Hauck sentiment comes from if they don’t want to also fire Vigen unless they are admitting MSU is a subpar program so the same success their is more impressive than UM.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Actually, I like the 3 home playoff wins and trip to Frisco last season. Do you think Cats will get 3 playoffs wins this season? And win in Frisco? I don't.

I find it interesting that you, someone who never played any varsity in college in any sport, has this hard-on for Bobby and this incredibly high standard for Bobby. You seem to be a guy with a chip on his shoulder and someone who is very jealous of the success of others.
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I think the Cats have a good chance to get to title game. If they do I think a more legit chance to win than Griz did last year.

How many points are you giving in the title game if they make it?

As to Hauck I'll not comment much as I assume he won't comment on much of anything until spring either. Then a few cryptic, unenthusiastic, uninformative nonanswers to stupid people who might ask. Then more of the same in August.

Recruiting and NIL might be helped by a little more public energy. Is that an incredibly high standard?
 
mthoopsfan said:
You know nothing about football, so nothing you say means anything on this board. As I said, if Cats don't win in Frisco, the Griz success in the past 2 years will have been be better than the Cats. You and a few other Cat fans have more excuses than anyone I have ever been exposed to. That's very funny.

I just don't understand how the Cats could have collapsed to a 8-4 team with a home playoff loss like the Cats did last season. Just can't get my head around that. Really unbelievable going from good success to not even being able to win a playoff game, as well as losing at home.

Griz lost by 3, in OT, by 16 Davis (who is in the round of 8), 23 (to no.1 seed), and 17 to SDSU. Yes, disappointing season and below expectations. While the Griz got clobbered and weren't in the game very long, they ended up keeping SDSU slightly below its scoring average, scoring 5 points more than what SDSU was giving up, getting more total offense than SDSU was giving up, allowing SDSU 43 more than its average of TO, holding SDSU to a bit under its average per play, picking up a bit more than SDSU was averaging per plays. Nothing to celebrate about, but an indication that UM didn't get run quite as much as it felt like. Only USD came closer to SDSU than UM did, and, of course, NDSU beat them. SDSU had 399 of TO Griz. Of D1 games, SDSU had 388, 388, 333, and 329 against OK St, UNI (41-3 game), USD and NDSU.

UM's 2 picks essentially cost 14 points. And SDSU clobbered the Griz on 3d downs, including a few longer 3d downs. SDSU is obviously very good and clearly better than the Griz.
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If you think this year's griz meltdown is just the same as last year's Cat meltdown - then you really do not understand football. This year the griz lost five games, some of them by blowouts, and struggled to beat some crappy teams, baresly escaping with wins. Last year the Cats lost four games. Three of those losses were down to the wire and about as close as games can be.... and those losses were to the BEST FCS TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY! Literally the best FCS teams in the country, and three of those four games literally could have gone either way. It's surprising you're not getting this.

At any rate, although it was painful as a Cat fan last season, it's paying dividends now. After the blocked XP in OT vs NDSU, this coaching staff and team gathered up and made a decision as to what kind of team they were going to be moving forward. Everyone in the program has bought in and committed 100% to getting the job done. Nothing is guaranteed though, and the Cats could lose to Idaho on Friday... we'll have to see how things shake out.
 
poorgriz said:
If you think this year's griz meltdown is just the same as last year's Cat meltdown - then you really do not understand football. This year the griz lost five games, some of them by blowouts, and struggled to beat some crappy teams, baresly escaping with wins. Last year the Cats lost four games. Three of those losses were down to the wire and about as close as games can be.... and those losses were to the BEST FCS TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY! Literally the best FCS teams in the country, and three of those four games literally could have gone either way. It's surprising you're not getting this.

At any rate, although it was painful as a Cat fan last season, it's paying dividends now. After the blocked XP in OT vs NDSU, this coaching staff and team gathered up and made a decision as to what kind of team they were going to be moving forward. Everyone in the program has bought in and committed 100% to getting the job done. Nothing is guaranteed though, and the Cats could lose to Idaho on Friday... we'll have to see how things shake out.
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The Griz absolutely clobbered the Cats last season. Griz were beaten by more than a few points only by Davis and Cats in regular season this year. Cats didn’t even win a playoff game last year, and lost at home.

You sure have lots of excuses, almost none of which are relevant. You are an embarrassment to Cat nation. You should consider concentrate on supporting your team. As I said, if Cats don’t win in Frisco, then the Cars won’t have matches the Griz in the past 2 seasons. Based on wins and playoff wins.
 
Wow. Both are very solid coaches. Our programs are not where we want them to be as a National Contender every year... but we are both on the up.

As for rating both coaches.... they should be rated by their current stint (Vigen 4 years, Hauck 6 years).

Vigen
  • 44-9 Overall Record
  • 2-2 Cat/Griz Record
  • Quarter Finals 3 of 4 years; Semifinals 2 (possibly 3) of 4 years.
  • 1 (possibly 2) FCS National Championship Appearances
Hauck
  • 56-24 Overall Record
  • 2-6 Cat/Griz Record
  • Quarter Finals 2 of 6 years; Semifinals1 of 6 years.
  • 1 FCS National Championship Appearance
Both great coaches that have their teams headed in the right direction. But Ill keep Vigen as long as possible!!!
 
I think Vigen should resign in disgrace and apply to be Hauck’s personal assistant. He can go buy him the coffee that he drinks through that nose every morning as well as the white t-shirts, size small.
 
Lord Vigo said:
I think Vigen should resign in disgrace and apply to be Hauck’s personal assistant. He can go buy him the coffee that he drinks through that nose every morning as well as the white t-shirts, size small.
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I think he should’ve resigned in disgrace after retaining coordinators out on bail to try to win it all last season, but that’s just me. Where was the state vehicle crash again? And where does Sixx live?
 
bobcatfan123 said:
Wow. Both are very solid coaches. Our programs are not where we want them to be as a National Contender every year... but we are both on the up.

As for rating both coaches.... they should be rated by their current stint (Vigen 4 years, Hauck 6 years).

Vigen
  • 44-9 Overall Record
  • 2-2 Cat/Griz Record
  • Quarter Finals 3 of 4 years; Semifinals 2 (possibly 3) of 4 years.
  • 1 (possibly 2) FCS National Championship Appearances
Hauck
  • 56-24 Overall Record
  • 2-6 Cat/Griz Record
  • Quarter Finals 2 of 6 years; Semifinals1 of 6 years.
  • 1 FCS National Championship Appearance
Both great coaches that have their teams headed in the right direction. But Ill keep Vigen as long as possible!!!
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I disagree on how they should be rated. Vigen took over a good program. Back took over a down program. Griz had been ranked no. 33 in polls the prior year. It took him a number of years to turn things around and get his recruits. Or, let’s judge Hauck in all his years at UM.

Also, someday you may learn my sense of humor and how I post, especially in response to Cat trolls and dummies like Poor.
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
The performance analysis is valid. One thing that hasn't been mentioned in comparing Vigen and the cats to Hauck and the Griz is the status of each program when the new coach took over.
Vigen inherited a program on the rise thanks to Choate much like Hauck 1.0 did.
However, Hauck 2.0 inherited a pile of stitt that needed a complete overhaul. Enter in the transfer portal and nil and I can understand the Griz struggles.
Can Vigen sustain the cats once Mellott graduates? I think there will be a fall back.
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some of hauck's best teams were comprised of players in that pile of stitt.

be real.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I disagree on how they should be rated. Vigen took over a good program. Back took over a down program. Griz had been ranked no. 33 in polls the prior year. It took him a number of years to turn things around and get his recruits. Or, let’s judge Hauck in all his years at UM.

Also, someday you may learn my sense of humor and how I post, especially in response to Cat trolls and dummies like Poor.
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I figured there was some troll baiting involved. lol.

All good points hoops!
 
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