Changes Needed at the Top?

[Money!]

What a ridiculous statement when someone uses terms like ever or never. The world changes. Kitten fans never thought they would win again after losing their 16th straight game. Insane. The economy will shift. Education will change. The state will evolve. Bigger may not be better at some point. It just might mean empty buildings with no students because the world changed. Remember K Mart and malls? Now we have Amazon and Wal Mart. One may find itself in trouble with the high tech world. U of M will be fine and is fine. The coaching staff needs to evolve because the world changed. Kids went to MSU for a lot of different reasons. Some of them might have been lack of scholarships available at U of M. The sky isn’t falling, it’s just foggy out right now. The fog will lift.

Exactly, U of M is Kmart.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The latter, Boobie is a piss ant and they would rather be coached by someone that respects his players.

And Btown can't read.

 

[Copper Griz]

Exactly, U of M is Kmart.

Really? Nice try. If anything, MSU is that eighties mall. Look at fans in the stands. I rest my case your honor

 

[indian-outlaw]

UM still has a very good NA program and connection to the reservations and community.

"With an average enrollment of over 600 Native American students, the University of Montana perennially has the largest enrollment of Native American students in the Montana University System."

Kyiyo

www.umt.edu

SKC college has 621 student enrolled full-time (75%). 3/4 are Native American and 1/4 aren't.

SKC Fast Facts - Salish Kootenai College

Total Student Count 0 Enrollment Status Full-Time Students 0% Part-Time Students 0% Race/Ethnicity Tribal Members 0% Tribal Descendants 0% Caucasian 0% Other 0% Tribal Affiliation CS&KT* 0% Other MT Tribes 0% Other non-MT Tribes 0% *Confederated Salish & Kootenai Tribe SKC Students Represent US...

www.skc.edu

My google search says that MSU has over 800 NA students. That's more than 600. Every time I fact check you I find out you're lying.

 

[grizfnz]

While the $101 million is split between 5 buildings I have to imagine the Bozeman one is costing the most as it is the largest and in Bozeman.

But you said a $101 million building was going up in Bozeman
Now you have architecture fees, permit fees, contingency fees for guaranteed cost overruns, medical equipment ($$$$ BTW) and classroom furnishings for 5 buildings and don’t forget the endowment to cover 5 professorships.

 

[Sport]

OK children, let’s get back on topic. No more debating who’s is bigger?

 

[HikeGlacier]

My google search says that MSU has over 800 NA students. That's more than 600.

Hoops is ignorant.

 

[poorgriz]

What a ridiculous statement when someone uses terms like ever or never. The world changes. Kitten fans never thought they would win again after losing their 16th straight game. Insane. The economy will shift. Education will change. The state will evolve. Bigger may not be better at some point. It just might mean empty buildings with no students because the world changed. Remember K Mart and malls? Now we have Amazon and Wal Mart. One may find itself in trouble with the high tech world. U of M will be fine and is fine. The coaching staff needs to evolve because the world changed. Kids went to MSU for a lot of different reasons. Some of them might have been lack of scholarships available at U of M. The sky isn’t falling, it’s just foggy out right now. The fog will lift.

I agree the fog will lift, but probably not in a way that anyone can predict at this point. It pains me to say this but I think the university systems are about to change in a way that none of us can probably comprehend. Once we see Artificial General Intelligence, IMO that could be game over for colleges\universities as we know them.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

While the $101 million is split between 5 buildings I have to imagine the Bozeman one is costing the most as it is the largest and in Bozeman.

The one thing that I was hyper-focused upon when I was an undergraduate at UM was the investment in nursing buildings at schools I wasn’t attending. It was a weird hobby of mine, so I get it.

 

[Spanky2]

I am sure things have changed some. From what I see Bozeman offers more engineering type degrees that UM. But really if you want the best in Montana you go to TECH except those are somewhat subject limited. About 10 years ago my son was interested in an engineering degree. Which is the path he choose. At that time he HAD to go out of state to get a quality degree in his field.

Many Montana high school students have always gone out of state.

 

[Spanky2]

This is really the crux of the issue right here. It's not just athletics that MSU is whooping our ass in. Nobody wants to get a liberal arts degree anymore. MSU is viewed as the school of engineers, nurses, and programmers. Montana is viewed as the school of journalists, social workers and dancers. Whether that's actually true or not, that is the perception and how it's been marketed. Bodnar is seen as the hip cool president but truthfully he hasn't been doing much for UM recruiting academically.

Then why is UM growing under Bodnar’s leadership?

 

[mthoopsfan]

My google search says that MSU has over 800 NA students. That's more than 600. Every time I fact check you I find out you're lying.

"830 Native American students


More than 830 Native American students enrolled at UM in 2024, an 11.9% increase from 2023. The university said Native American enrollment has increased by 45.4% since 2018."

Source: Bozeman Chronicle. https://www.bozemandailychronicle.c...le_c6f240f0-430a-5a3d-a26a-2096259b7195.html#

The quote I provided from UM talked of "average" NA enrollment, although I don't know what that meant. UM had 830 NA's enrolled. That's more than 800. And it's more than MSU has reported, I believe. You should learn to do better research. I guess you are the liar. Everytime you try to factcheck me, you get it wrong. I'll wait for your apology.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hoops is ignorant.

UM reported 830 NA students in the fall of 2024. Hoops is pretty smart. You are ignorant, tho.

 

[indian-outlaw]

"830 Native American students


More than 830 Native American students enrolled at UM in 2024, an 11.9% increase from 2023. The university said Native American enrollment has increased by 45.4% since 2018."

Source: Bozeman Chronicle. https://www.bozemandailychronicle.c...le_c6f240f0-430a-5a3d-a26a-2096259b7195.html#

The quote I provided from UM talked of "average" NA enrollment, although I don't know what that meant. UM had 830 NA's enrolled. That's more than 800. And it's more than MSU has reported, I believe. You should learn to do better research. I guess you are the liar. Everytime you try to factcheck me, you get it wrong. I'll wait for your apology.

Yep pretty much everything you say is a lie. The American Indian enrollment at MSU for 2024 is 856. That is more than UM. I'll wait for your apology.

Montana State enrolls over 17,000 students and sets records for graduation and student retention

(Marcus "Doc" Cravens/MSU Photo)BOZEMAN – Montana State University has become the first university in the history of the state to enroll more than 17,000 students, while also seeing record four-year graduation rates and a record high rate of students staying in school to complete their

bozemanmagazine.com

 

[mthoopsfan]

Yep pretty much everything you say is a lie. The American Indian enrollment at MSU for 2024 is 856. That is more than UM. I'll wait for your apology.

Montana State enrolls over 17,000 students and sets records for graduation and student retention

(Marcus "Doc" Cravens/MSU Photo)BOZEMAN – Montana State University has become the first university in the history of the state to enroll more than 17,000 students, while also seeing record four-year graduation rates and a record high rate of students staying in school to complete their

bozemanmagazine.com

I didn’t say what MSU NA enrollment was. You did. You said it was 800. Apologize to yourself. Nothing I said was a lie.

 

[indian-outlaw]

I didn’t say what MSU NA enrollment was. You did. You said it was 800. Apologize to yourself. Nothing I said was a lie.

Except that you said UM lead the university system in native American enrollment. That was a lie. When I corrected you you doubled down and wanted me to apologize. You are such a weasel. You say things that are complete BS, then when someone calls you out you back track with deny. It's no wonder that nobody can believe a word you say.

 

[bigsky33]

lt's very outdated. I have a Ph.D. myself, but such specialized skills are not what's needed to navigate the times today. The credentials only go so far. It's a management job with high emphasis on people skills, management and marketing. Leadership and decision skills are key. Bodnar is an excellent fit and is digging the University out of a very deep hole. We knew it would take time and the product is likely to be different than the past.

As a guy from the other side, I agree with you kemajic. I think Bodnar was an excellent fit for the job with his technology and management background in a very high level job. This was the strength that U of M needed in a leader. U of M was in a deep hole. It was going in the wrong direction in enrollment and morale at the school appeared to be low. I remember many comments on here from parents saying their HS kids got very little from U of M compared to what they were getting from MSU. MSU was way ahead with a highly organized and effective student recruiting program. He had a huge challenge when he took over and it has taken longer than many would like, but he has turned the corner and has things now going in a positive direction. Turning things around at a University is not an easy thing with an entrenched bureaucracy. Also, it looks like he is making good strides with infrastructure and in academic programs.

Copper also makes good points. The world changes. And, so will things change in the academic world. I agree, with the advent of AI and such, the academic world may change dramatically in ways we never envisioned. So hold on. As Yogi Berra once said, it ain't over until it's over.

PS: As far as NA enrollment, I think both schools are doing a great job. One school having a few more or less than the other is insignificant. The fact that both schools are increasing NA enrollment is a good thing.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Except that you said UM lead the university system in native American enrollment. That was a lie. When I corrected you you doubled down and wanted me to apologize. You are such a weasel. You say things that are complete BS, then when someone calls you out you back track with deny. It's no wonder that nobody can believe a word you say.

I didn't say that. The blurb I quoted from a UM website said that. And it referred to an average. Learn to read. I was right on everything I said. I didn't backtrack on anything. Show me where I said UM lead the U system. I means me, not a quote from UM. You have never caught me in a mistake and never will. It's that I don't make mistakes. It's just that you aren't smart enough to figure them out.

 

[mthoopsfan]

As a guy from the other side, I agree with you kemajic. I think Bodnar was an excellent fit for the job with his technology and management background in a very high level job. This was the strength that U of M needed in a leader. U of M was in a deep hole. It was going in the wrong direction in enrollment and morale at the school appeared to be low. I remember many comments on here from parents saying their HS kids got very little from U of M compared to what they were getting from MSU. MSU was way ahead with a highly organized and effective student recruiting program. He had a huge challenge when he took over and it has taken longer than many would like, but he has turned the corner and has things now going in a positive direction. Turning things around at a University is not an easy thing with an entrenched bureaucracy. Also, it looks like he is making good strides with infrastructure and in academic programs.

Copper also makes good points. The world changes. And, so will things change in the academic world. I agree, with the advent of AI and such, the academic world may change dramatically in ways we never envisioned. So hold on. As Yogi Berra once said, it ain't over until it's over.

PS: As far as NA enrollment, I think both schools are doing a great job. One school having a few more or less than the other is insignificant. The fact that both schools are increasing NA enrollment is a good thing.

UM has a much higher percentage of NA's. Ha.

 

[putter]

But you said a $101 million building was going up in Bozeman
Now you have architecture fees, permit fees, contingency fees for guaranteed cost overruns, medical equipment ($$$$ BTW) and classroom furnishings for 5 buildings and don’t forget the endowment to cover 5 professorships.

Remember, these 5 "buildings" are across the state. Each MSU campus is expanding. They are building the new nursing building here in GF on the campus of GF College MSU and will be done in the spring.