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Article on where Montana kids go, and why?

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mthoopsfan

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UM has a few more Montana recruits now, but has had many more since 2020. 6 Missoula kids play for the Cats now. 4 Bozeman kids play for the Griz. And see what Dane Oliver, the Sentinel coach says.

"What’s led our kids from Sentinel going to Montana State is the academics. They’re interested in being an engineer, they (MSU) have a really strong program down there."

"Six Missoula natives, five from Sentinel and one from Hellgate, currently play for the Bobcats; four former Bozeman Hawks are now Grizzlies." Missoula has 4 high school. Bozeman now has 2 high schools.

See the great charts/graphs in the article.

missoulian.com

‘Be so great they have to take you': Montana high school coaches on recruiting, Cat-Griz

The Brawl of the Wild will feature the most Montana natives since 2020 this fall, and the second-most of the past decade.
missoulian.com missoulian.com
 
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MSU has really ridden the STEM thing well. They lean with a heavy emphasis on the Engineeing component to try and differentiate themselves. If UM did a better job marketing our research in the sciences and technology sectors and getting kids to see there is more to STEM than just engineering it would be a non issue. Just another glaring area where we have fallen behind MSU. The only real difference is perception.
 
mthoopsfan said:
UM has a few more Montana recruits now, but has had many more since 2020. 6 Missoula kids play for the Cats now. 4 Bozeman kids play for the Griz. And see what Dane Oliver, the Sentinel coach says.

"What’s led our kids from Sentinel going to Montana State is the academics. They’re interested in being an engineer, they (MSU) have a really strong program down there."

"Six Missoula natives, five from Sentinel and one from Hellgate, currently play for the Bobcats; four former Bozeman Hawks are now Grizzlies." Missoula has 4 high school. Bozeman now has 2 high schools.

See the great charts/graphs in the article.

missoulian.com

‘Be so great they have to take you': Montana high school coaches on recruiting, Cat-Griz

The Brawl of the Wild will feature the most Montana natives since 2020 this fall, and the second-most of the past decade.
missoulian.com missoulian.com
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With all due respect, I think all, or almost all, the Bozeman players that are here are the ones MSU didn’t recruit, or at least not hard.

Obviously Crews had an issue that led to him not being in Missoula, but Jones was recruited hard by UM. Don’t think Ortt was, pretty positive Dolan wasn’t.
 
PTGrizzly said:
With all due respect, I think all, or almost all, the Bozeman players that are here are the ones MSU didn’t recruit, or at least not hard.

Obviously Crews had an issue that led to him not being in Missoula, but Jones was recruited hard by UM. Don’t think Ortt was, pretty positive Dolan wasn’t.
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Okay, great. But Oliver was addressing why his Sentinel kids went to MSU.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Okay, great. But Oliver was addressing why his Sentinel kids went to MSU.
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Yeah but you’re missing half the story.

JJ Dolan didn’t go to MSU because of academics, he went there because MSU recruited him and UM didn’t. The opposite is true of the Lang brothers. Adam Jones himself said he chose MSU because they recruited him harder and he clicked with the coaches better. Obviously academics matter, and play a role in where kids will go, but it certainly isn’t the only issue at hand.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Okay, great. But Oliver was addressing why his Sentinel kids went to MSU.
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Dane is spewing BS in that article. The only one of the 5 studying engineering is Jones. Crews, Ortt are business majors, Dolan education, Rollins, who’s brother played at msu, is undeclared. Truth be told there are only around 13 players on the cat team who are actual ABET recognized engineering majors. They have several players in majors with fancy titles like financial engineering and construction engineering technology, but they won’t have engineering degrees.
 
grizfnz said:
Dane is spewing BS in that article. The only one of the 5 studying engineering is Jones. Crews, Ortt are business majors, Dolan education, Rollins, who’s brother played at msu, is undeclared. Truth be told there are only around 13 players on the cat team who are actual ABET recognized engineering majors. They have several players in majors with fancy titles like financial engineering and construction engineering technology, but they won’t have engineering degrees.
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Fancy titles? You have no idea what you're talking about. I graduated from MSU in engineering and you are full of $hit.
 
Wolf777 said:
MSU has really ridden the STEM thing well. They lean with a heavy emphasis on the Engineeing component to try and differentiate themselves. If UM did a better job marketing our research in the sciences and technology sectors and getting kids to see there is more to STEM than just engineering it would be a non issue. Just another glaring area where we have fallen behind MSU. The only real difference is perception.
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Perception is not the difference. There is a huge difference in marketability between an engineering degree and a science degree.
 
PTGrizzly said:
Yeah but you’re missing half the story.

JJ Dolan didn’t go to MSU because of academics, he went there because MSU recruited him and UM didn’t. The opposite is true of the Lang brothers. Adam Jones himself said he chose MSU because they recruited him harder and he clicked with the coaches better. Obviously academics matter, and play a role in where kids will go, but it certainly isn’t the only issue at hand.
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Bobby Daly came over from Bozeman to watch Jones' legion baseball in the summer. Bobby H. was busy tying nymphs.
 
Btown said:
Fancy titles? You have no idea what you're talking about. I graduated from MSU in engineering and you are full of $hit.
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I have one friend and one family member who both graduated from msu with engineering degrees. One is a janitor/raft guide and the other installs sprinklers. Meanwhile I have a swath of friends who graduated from UM with liberal arts degrees who now have healthy six figure incomes. Weird, huh?
 
I don't think the difference in the caliber of in-state recruits between the two programs is difficult to see. Neither is why: The development and confidence of Montana players at MSU is just at a different level. Mellott, Grebe, Wehr, Jones, Taco, Perkins, Brott ... these are Montana athletes identified, coached, empowered into legitimate stars -- and on a national level.

The Griz ... still can't figure out how to get Junior the ball on offense, and by far the greatest success of his career was via his natural ability on returns.
Who is the biggest success story on the Griz in terms of growth and development? I mean, the entire offense visibly clenches and regresses through every season. UM just had two different QBs bottom out under this staff in one season, and then both had great seasons under other staffs.

I think the staff is obviously made up of battle-hardened coaches who know all the X's and O's. (There hasn't been anything new in football in 50 years, as Bobby likes to say.) My question is: Are they good teachers who improve players? Are they good recruiters who land players who are already good? Are they innovative gameplanners who maximize the talent they have? If so, where is the disconnect? If not, who takes accountability?
 
BozAngelesGriz said:
I have one friend and one family member who both graduated from msu with engineering degrees. One is a janitor/raft guide and the other installs sprinklers. Meanwhile I have a swath of friends who graduated from UM with liberal arts degrees who now have healthy six figure incomes. Weird, huh?
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Yea right.
 
PTGrizzly said:
With all due respect, I think all, or almost all, the Bozeman players that are here are the ones MSU didn’t recruit, or at least not hard.

Obviously Crews had an issue that led to him not being in Missoula, but Jones was recruited hard by UM. Don’t think Ortt was, pretty positive Dolan wasn’t.
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I know the Ortt family. Rylan really wanted to go to UM but was ignored and ghosted by Bobby. Right after Bobby said we want anyone we think can help us win a national championship. MSU’s interest in him was Ortt’s athleticism.
 
Chucknduck said:
Why do you doubt this? I’m a UM grad and have plenty of friends who graduated from UM and MSU and it all ended differently for each. Some followed their degrees and some chose a completely different route in life.
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Very few people that can hack an engineering degree decide not to pursue work in that field.
 
Cledus said:
I know the Ortt family. Rylan really wanted to go to UM but was ignored and ghosted by Bobby. Right after Bobby said we want anyone we think can help us win a national championship. MSU’s interest in him was Ortt’s athleticism.
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Ortt is a good player and good tackler, but he is not athletic. He is on the slow side.
 
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