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[Stop_HammerTime69]

Oh I get it. College educations are far too expensive. But that doesn't change the fact that rent and food shouldn't be included in the stated costs.

Why shouldn't they be? It's a part of going to school somewhere. Food & Rent are going to cost more in Seattle than they will in Missoula than they will in Fargo. Those are real factors that people should expect to plan around and the school is best equipped to research, calculate, and communicate those costs to prospective students and their families.

 

[EverettGriz]

Why shouldn't they be? It's a part of going to school somewhere. Food & Rent are going to cost more in Seattle than they will in Missoula than they will in Fargo. Those are real factors that people should expect to plan around and the school is best equipped to research, calculate, and communicate those costs to prospective students and their families.

Because they're sunk costs. Someone is paying those expenses whether the kid is in college or not.

And sure, we can argue cost of living all day long, but it's really not meaningful to this discussion

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Because they're sunk costs. Someone is paying those expenses whether the kid is in college or not.

And sure, we can argue cost of living all day long, but it's really not meaningful to this discussion

It's not a sunk cost unless they already live where the school is. That is a choice of the student and their family and something they should absolutely consider.

But you're right that it isn't relevant to how UM would pay for a transition up to the FBS.

 

[EverettGriz]

It's not a sunk cost unless they already live where the school is. That is a choice of the student and their family and something they should absolutely consider.

But you're right that it isn't relevant to how UM would pay for a transition up to the FBS.

Okay, but MOST of the costs are sunk. Let me try an example: Ali goes to school at UW. She pays $2100 per month in rent.

If she wasn't going to school at UW, she'd be paying $1800 for rent in Missoula.

So, is her college cost to attend UW $2100 per month for room? Of course not. At best it's $300, the difference between what she is playing and what she could pay. Stating her costs for lodging at $2100 per month wildly overstates her ACTUAL costs, which was my point.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Oh I get it. College educations are far too expensive. But that doesn't change the fact that rent and food shouldn't be included in the stated costs.

Of course, food and housing should be included. If you are going to school full time, then you aren’t making money to pay board and room. If you aren’t away at college, you might be living at home. Or working at something with housing included.

Food and lodging absolutely is a cost for those going to college full time. Saying tuition is the only cost of college is silly.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Okay, but MOST of the costs are sunk. Let me try an example: Ali goes to school at UW. She pays $2100 per month in rent.

If she wasn't going to school at UW, she'd be paying $1800 for rent in Missoula.

So, is her college cost to attend UW $2100 per month for room? Of course not. At best it's $300, the difference between what she is playing and what she could pay. Stating her costs for lodging at $2100 per month wildly overstates her ACTUAL costs, which was my point.

Ali might be living at home if not going to college. And have no rent.

 

[EverettGriz]

Ali might be living at home if not going to college. And have no rent.

She can live at home while going to college too. And she and her parents still have costs even if she's at home



This is basic economics people. Like, 7th grade level stuff.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Oh I get it. College educations are far too expensive. But that doesn't change the fact that rent and food shouldn't be included in the stated costs.

For what it's worth -

Schools are required to publish their full cost af attendance as it provides a key metric for the FAFSA formulas.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Sure it is a sunk cost but a cost none the less if you are a college student. The difference in most cases is the income potential for a college age person that is attending college versus one that isn't. That sunk cost hits different when you work part-time to attend class and have a full-time job.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I am for moving up but I don't like the idea of putting more on the students, most whom won't even get a return.

 

[Ursa Major]

I am for moving up but I don't like the idea of putting more on the students, most whom won't even get a return.

I agree, the changes in what the states contribute to their public universities has fallen sharply in the last few decades. That cost has been passed on to students and parents.

 

[Griztrain]

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[Larry Donovan]

I really dislike the idea of making the students foot a meaningful part of the costs to move up.
The entire state benefits from the Griz and sCats, so why not spread the costs around through some creative taxation. The current 4% bed tax on hotel rooms pulled in nearly $59 million in revenue for FY23. Bump that from 4% to 6%, and that puts an extra $15 million into the athletic budget of each university.
Looks like tax revenue from weed is about $50 million per year, from a 20% state tax on adult recreational. Tack on an additional 5% for supporting athletics, and that provides an extra $6 million a year to each program. Problem solved.

 

[OrgonGriz]

several years ago I was talking with Don Read and asked him if he thought UM should be at the time DIv IA. He said yes but thought that if that happened it would be the entire BSC going from IAA to IA.
Maybe UM, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, USD, UND, UI, WSU, NAU, SAC should start an FBS conference. The West coast needs a “starter” conference at the FBS level. The MWC doesn’t appear to want to be that. Nor does the PAC.
What might help in all this is allow the mid majors to operate from 68 to 75 scholarships instead of 85.
If the PAC is considered a power conference that only gives in mid major west coast FBS.
It bites to think the most realistic scenario is UM get pushed down to a DIVII program.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

several years ago I was talking with Don Read and asked him if he thought UM should be at the time DIv IA. He said yes but thought that if that happened it would be the entire BSC going from IAA to IA.
Maybe UM, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, USD, UND, UI, WSU, NAU, SAC should start an FBS conference. The West coast needs a “starter” conference at the FBS level. The MWC doesn’t appear to want to be that. Nor does the PAC.
What might help in all this is allow the mid majors to operate from 68 to 75 scholarships instead of 85.
If the PAC is considered a power conference that only gives in mid major west coast FBS.
It bites to think the most realistic scenario is UM get pushed down to a DIVII program.

A new FBS conference will never get approval. Current FBS schools don't want to divvy up the money pile further.

 

[get'em_griz]

I really dislike the idea of making the students foot a meaningful part of the costs to move up.
The entire state benefits from the Griz and sCats, so why not spread the costs around through some creative taxation. The current 4% bed tax on hotel rooms pulled in nearly $59 million in revenue for FY23. Bump that from 4% to 6%, and that puts an extra $15 million into the athletic budget of each university.
Looks like tax revenue from weed is about $50 million per year, from a 20% state tax on adult recreational. Tack on an additional 5% for supporting athletics, and that provides an extra $6 million a year to each program. Problem solved.

Great idea in theory, but we'd have to ensure that those taxes actually go to the universities and their athletic budgets and not get moved somewhere else down the road while under the guise that they're still funding athletic budgets.

 

[garizzalies]

A new FBS conference will never get approval. Current FBS schools don't want to divvy up the money pile further.

Is there some kind of rule that says we need the permission of current FBS schools to start our own conference?
Sounds crazy to me and contrary to anti-trust laws.
Can’t imagine a big corporation telling some smaller company that it cannot grow and expand.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Because they're sunk costs. Someone is paying those expenses whether the kid is in college or not.

And sure, we can argue cost of living all day long, but it's really not meaningful to this discussion

Not if student wants to go to school away from home area.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Is there some kind of rule that says we need the permission of current FBS schools to start our own conference?
Sounds crazy to me and contrary to anti-trust laws.
Can’t imagine a big corporation telling some smaller company that it cannot grow and expand.

Yes, approval is required. FBS requires membership which is voted on by member schools.

 

[AZDoc]

I really dislike the idea of making the students foot a meaningful part of the costs to move up.
The entire state benefits from the Griz and sCats, so why not spread the costs around through some creative taxation. The current 4% bed tax on hotel rooms pulled in nearly $59 million in revenue for FY23. Bump that from 4% to 6%, and that puts an extra $15 million into the athletic budget of each university.
Looks like tax revenue from weed is about $50 million per year, from a 20% state tax on adult recreational. Tack on an additional 5% for supporting athletics, and that provides an extra $6 million a year to each program. Problem solved.

I think if you saw the breakdown, you'd see why it's been tossed around...I think if I remember right, I read UM fees are 30 a semester. MSU is around 85. I paid 95 I think per for my son to go to NAU