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Analysis of MSU v. UNM Game on Saturday

Final drive: 6 for 9 passing, 81 yards. Of the three incompletions, one looked to be right on the money, but it was tipped by a D lineman that made a great play. Another pass was Ty running the wrong route. The last incompletion, was the only "bad" pass Tommy threw on the drive, pass to Taco too low, but at least zero chance of it getting picked. Tommy throws better under pressure - and whatever friends say he's worse under pressure are either dumb, or yanking your chain. See for yourself, final drive starts at: 2:18:40

Okay, let's do this.

First throw: one-read 6 yard out with the CB playing 9 yards off the receiver. Every QB in D1 should make that throw.
Second throw: one-read 6-yard curl with another 6 yard out on the outside where the OC knows the inside defender is going to take the out based on coverage. Another pretty easy, routine throw.
Third throw: Yet another one-read throw that Tommy held too long after his guy was already open. Pass gets batted and nearly picked. That one's on Tommy.
Fourth throw: one-read throw that his receiver runs the wrong route on, but even if the receiver was running the correct route (probably a comeback or out), Tommy let the pressure get to him and one-hops an early throw into the ground on either of those routes (it hits the ground at the numbers).
Fifth throw: Great evasion of pressure and hitting the guy whose defender had slipped. Fantastic pocket presence and throw, although his guy was pretty wide open. This is really good.
Sixth throw: Another one-read out route. Every D1 QB should make that throw.
Seventh throw: This sequence really shows Tommy's weaknesses as a pure passer, along with his strengths as a playmaker. I do wonder what MSU was going for here, drawing up a long-developing pass play (although it looks like Dowler? might be a hot route that Tommy never even looks at) with pressure. Tommy locks in on one route and just stares it down before the pocket collapses. Jones does a great job improvising and getting open in the hole in the defense. Tommy makes a good enough throw (it's a bit behind Jones) to get another first.
Eighth throw: Yet another one-read throw to the out that's very low, but put in a decent place the receiver should be able to catch. The route concepts on this play seem weird, but I can't see what's going on near the endzone. It looks like the other receivers are covered, but impossible to say.
Ninth throw: Another one-read throw that's a little late/not anticipated very well, although he makes a fantastic play zipping the ball into Ty here, so the good throw counters out the delay. Great play.

This was a fantastic series drawn up by the coaches to make best use of Tommy's skills (and limitations) as a passer. This is why I always say he's a great QB for you guys.

But half the starting QBs in FCS could run that same concepts and make those throws (pressure notwithstanding). There was not a single difficult throw there, excluding the one to Ty, but it was hard because Tommy held the ball too long.

I realize I'm being harsh here, but if you're trying to argue Tommy is suddenly a great dropback passer, I'm going to call bullshit, and a more competent DC with a better secondary likely doesn't let these easy throws move all the way down the field.

But you have to praise Tommy for getting it done here. He went out and won that game, which was a great job by him.
 
Final drive: 6 for 9 passing, 81 yards. Of the three incompletions, one looked to be right on the money, but it was tipped by a D lineman that made a great play. Another pass was Ty running the wrong route. The last incompletion, was the only "bad" pass Tommy threw on the drive, pass to Taco too low, but at least zero chance of it getting picked. Tommy throws better under pressure - and whatever friends say he's worse under pressure are either dumb, or yanking your chain. See for yourself, final drive starts at: 2:18:40

You are choosing one drive. You do this weird shit often here. I don’t have a lot of respect for you. Look at the entire game which is what I was referring to in my post and analysis of the game. He had a ton of shit throws and looked awful in many drives passing the ball. That is where a number of cats friends even agreed with me. Some have even said if the coaches are going to try and may Tommy a pocket passer then they’d be better off with Reed since that would be a square peg in round hole.
 
Do you think the Cats will have the best rushing attack in the country, again?

Do you think the Cats rushing attack will be among the best in the country again?
WGAF? You sound like a broken record constantly crowing about one aspect of one end of the field (rushing yards) and never seeing the big picture. Total D is way more important. Until the bubz’s D improves, they are not a threat to win a chip at all.
And this game proved they still have a long way to go. I saw one highlight (er…lowlight) where a bub DB blew coverage, pass interfered, and then kicked the ball and got a personal foul. It was despicably embarrassing. Do you think that guy would ever see the field again under BH? Heck, do you think he would have even seen it in the first place?
 
You are choosing one drive. You do this weird shit often here. I don’t have a lot of respect for you. Look at the entire game which is what I was referring to in my post and analysis of the game. He had a ton of shit throws and looked awful in many drives passing the ball. That is where a number of cats friends even agreed with me. Some have even said if the coaches are going to try and may Tommy a pocket passer then they’d be better off with Reed since that would be a square peg in round hole.
Ok, gotchya. So basically Tommy is still just a running QB that can't pass. Got it. We'll see how the rest of the games play out. Also really curious to see which of your QBs steps up and starts, and if they shred the Big Sky, or at least the 3 or 4 decent teams in the Big Sky that you actually play.
 
Cats were lucky the tipped pass, which was tipped twice, wasn't picked off. On the longest completion, 2 defenders jumped the short receiver and another stood and watched as the 2d receiver ran by him and became wide open. What a screw up by the 3d defender. Inexplicable. Pass was on the money.

"pass incomplete short left to Alexander,Lonyatta thrown to MSU41 broken up by Avinger,Noah.
Taylor,Bryson injured on the play"

"pass incomplete short left to Dowler,Taco thrown to UNM11 broken up by Avinger,Noah QB hurried by Tuitele,Moso’oipala."

Those two passes and the play by play are not consistent with what you said.

Three passes were to the sideline for 5, 5 and 6. Another short pass went for 12. A pass over the middle for 12. Two incomplete passes were short passes. 7 passes were to the short left side. The 37 yard completion.
Those are not accurate. If you watch the ten minutes of video you'll be able to see it with your own eyes.
 
Okay, let's do this.

First throw: one-read 6 yard out with the CB playing 9 yards off the receiver. Every QB in D1 should make that throw.
Second throw: one-read 6-yard curl with another 6 yard out on the outside where the OC knows the inside defender is going to take the out based on coverage. Another pretty easy, routine throw.
Third throw: Yet another one-read throw that Tommy held too long after his guy was already open. Pass gets batted and nearly picked. That one's on Tommy.
Fourth throw: one-read throw that his receiver runs the wrong route on, but even if the receiver was running the correct route (probably a comeback or out), Tommy let the pressure get to him and one-hops an early throw into the ground on either of those routes (it hits the ground at the numbers).
Fifth throw: Great evasion of pressure and hitting the guy whose defender had slipped. Fantastic pocket presence and throw, although his guy was pretty wide open. This is really good.
Sixth throw: Another one-read out route. Every D1 QB should make that throw.
Seventh throw: This sequence really shows Tommy's weaknesses as a pure passer, along with his strengths as a playmaker. I do wonder what MSU was going for here, drawing up a long-developing pass play (although it looks like Dowler? might be a hot route that Tommy never even looks at) with pressure. Tommy locks in on one route and just stares it down before the pocket collapses. Jones does a great job improvising and getting open in the hole in the defense. Tommy makes a good enough throw (it's a bit behind Jones) to get another first.
Eighth throw: Yet another one-read throw to the out that's very low, but put in a decent place the receiver should be able to catch. The route concepts on this play seem weird, but I can't see what's going on near the endzone. It looks like the other receivers are covered, but impossible to say.
Ninth throw: Another one-read throw that's a little late/not anticipated very well, although he makes a fantastic play zipping the ball into Ty here, so the good throw counters out the delay. Great play.

This was a fantastic series drawn up by the coaches to make best use of Tommy's skills (and limitations) as a passer. This is why I always say he's a great QB for you guys.

But half the starting QBs in FCS could run that same concepts and make those throws (pressure notwithstanding). There was not a single difficult throw there, excluding the one to Ty, but it was hard because Tommy held the ball too long.

I realize I'm being harsh here, but if you're trying to argue Tommy is suddenly a great dropback passer, I'm going to call bullshit, and a more competent DC with a better secondary likely doesn't let these easy throws move all the way down the field.

But you have to praise Tommy for getting it done here. He went out and won that game, which was a great job by him.
great post
 
Ok, gotchya. So basically Tommy is still just a running QB that can't pass. Got it. We'll see how the rest of the games play out. Also really curious to see which of your QBs steps up and starts, and if they shred the Big Sky, or at least the 3 or 4 decent teams in the Big Sky that you actually play.
Your words not mine.

I would say Tommy is a tremendous runner and very mediocre passer. Has been his whole career, even in high school. What is more interesting is if the cat coaches eliminate his running which they seemed to try to do in that first game in hopes of keeping the injury bug away. I don’t think that plays to his style or his game well.

If you were to look at your own fan board and check out the game thread, you would see that half of bobcat nation is not too impressed with his throwing either 😂
 
Your words not mine.

I would say Tommy is a tremendous runner and very mediocre passer. Has been his whole career, even in high school. What is more interesting is if the cat coaches eliminate his running which they seemed to try to do in that first game in hopes of keeping the injury bug away. I don’t think that plays to his style or his game well.

If you were to look at your own fan board and check out the game thread, you would see that half of bobcat nation is not too impressed with his throwing either 😂
Also, when Tommy sits in the pocket and gets swarmed tackled, he just doesn’t go down, he instinctively will try and make a play and that is how he gets hurt. Tommy is a tough dude, however, there is an art to being tackled and Tommy sometimes fights to make something happen leaving him vulnerable.
 
Your words not mine.

I would say Tommy is a tremendous runner and very mediocre passer. Has been his whole career, even in high school. What is more interesting is if the cat coaches eliminate his running which they seemed to try to do in that first game in hopes of keeping the injury bug away. I don’t think that plays to his style or his game well.

If you were to look at your own fan board and check out the game thread, you would see that half of bobcat nation is not too impressed with his throwing either 😂
I agree Hooked. I don’t think Tommy looks comfortable in putting him in to the passer style. It is not him. I am concerned about that. Should get a better read on it this week.
 

It’s fair to post without comment, but it’s only one play that is well broken down by Sammy here, so why not share some thoughts man?

Considering that the neighbors have been so vocal about expanding their passing game and taking pressure off of Tommy, the actual game plan was an abject failure. Two strip sacks returned for touchdowns and lots of hits to Tommy in the passing game. When their plan broke down it became more of the same old bobcats in the second half with a heavy dose of run because you just can’t change your identity from what you’ve instilled in players for the last couple years in one summer+fall camp.

It seems by trying to take physical pressure off of Tommy by using the passing game they put a ton of pressure on him as a passer. These West Coast timing routes seem more gimmicky than actually having Tommy make pre snap reads and go through progressions, relying mostly on timing routes. Look to the pass early in the game on the out where the receiver tripped up on a big 3rd down. It may be enough to force defenses to be a little more honest, but good teams will start changing the pre snap look and if Tommy can’t diagnose it, there’s going to be some big breakdowns. Unfortunately for the cats they will not get tested like that until later in the season, and the bailout button will always be to fall back on the +1 game. I have no faith that the coaches will protect Tommy if their season depends on it and continue to use him as a battering ram to his future detriment.
 
It’s fair to post without comment, but it’s only one play that is well broken down by Sammy here, so why not share some thoughts man?

Considering that the neighbors have been so vocal about expanding their passing game and taking pressure off of Tommy, the actual game plan was an abject failure. Two strip sacks returned for touchdowns and lots of hits to Tommy in the passing game. When their plan broke down it became more of the same old bobcats in the second half with a heavy dose of run because you just can’t change your identity from what you’ve instilled in players for the last couple years in one summer+fall camp.

It seems by trying to take physical pressure off of Tommy by using the passing game they put a ton of pressure on him as a passer. These West Coast timing routes seem more gimmicky than actually having Tommy make pre snap reads and go through progressions, relying mostly on timing routes. Look to the pass early in the game on the out where the receiver tripped up on a big 3rd down. It may be enough to force defenses to be a little more honest, but good teams will start changing the pre snap look and if Tommy can’t diagnose it, there’s going to be some big breakdowns. Unfortunately for the cats they will not get tested like that until later in the season, and the bailout button will always be to fall back on the +1 game. I have no faith that the coaches will protect Tommy if their season depends on it and continue to use him as a battering ram to his future detriment.
Yeah, I mostly posted without comment because it backs up some of the things I said earlier in this thread looking at the last drive, particularly the throw to Jones out of the backfield after UNM shows pressure and Tommy just stares his receiver down without looking for anything hot before escaping.
 
And fortunately for the Cats, they should have several game in a row here to continue to improve in the passing game and improve Tommy as a passer. Not a bad showing though for the first game of the year, against an FBS team, and first game in a modified system that reduces the QB run plays. 21 for 32, 205 yards, 2 passing TDs. The # of attempts and completions were both career highs for Tommy.
 
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