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NCAA, power conferences agree to allow schools to pay players

Does the overall proposal have an element of limiting NIL? I think I read that.

If true, what about for the non-top 5 conference schools? Will their NIL be limited too?

Without federal legislation, I think this proposal is as much of an antitrust problem as the current situation is. Personally, I don't care about the antitrust laws in this situation, one way or other. However, the plaintiffs lawyers have figured out that the courts care. I can't see the US Congress wanting to get involved, and being able to agree on new legislation.

I think the ncaa and some of the top of FBS are essentially stupid. And, of course, greedy.
 
Some coaches fear that making athletes employees is too much change to the coach/player relationship. I don't really see it that way. So they get all the benefits of an employee, that isn't a horrible situation. More costly? Yes. Employment contracts could be developed to protect the athlete and the school. Why should it be any different than the contracts used to hire coaches or faculty members? The NCAA could still be a mediator, set guidelines, and arbitrate any disputes. Contracts could include incentives and buyout clauses. Maybe some sanity could be returned to the situation.
 
oldrunner said:
Some coaches fear that making athletes employees is too much change to the coach/player relationship. I don't really see it that way. So they get all the benefits of an employee, that isn't a horrible situation. More costly? Yes. Employment contracts could be developed to protect the athlete and the school. Why should it be any different than the contracts used to hire coaches or faculty members? The NCAA could still be a mediator, set guidelines, and arbitrate any disputes. Contracts could include incentives and buyout clauses. Maybe some sanity could be returned to the situation.
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Then the scholarship should be taxable.
 
mthoopsfan said:
If the top level of FBS is going to pay players, and the college sports of football and basketball will be essentially professional and not amateur, won't the scholarships also be essentially part of the compensation? Why should the scholarships then be tax free? Why should the rest of us have to pay more in taxes to subsidize the top FBS players? I'm all for college scholarships, whether academic, athletic or otherwise, not be taxable, but there's an argument that what the top of FBS is doing should convert the athletic scholarships into taxable compensation.

I assume the schools, ncaa and tax lawyers have throughly analyzed this, but this new move takes the taxable arms of non-profit schools closer to upsetting the tax exempt status of schools. Generally, it's okay for a non-profit to have a limited amount of income from a profitable arm.
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Don’t necessarily disagree with regard to the top level of FBS having their scholarships taxed as they could afford it but it would not be the same for the vast majority of students, and then we are starting to create two distinct classes which never ends well.
Unlike coaches and other university employees, students actually have to go to class and make the grade. They have enough on their plate. Taxing them to attend class would make it almost impossible to graduate debt free
 
SaskGriz said:
So you will be bitter and unhappy until we win 8 in 11 years like NDSU? And if we do then your bitch will be we should have moved up because those 8 National Titles came against lousy opposition since "all the good teams moved up"?

U Conn men's basketball sucks because they aren't Coach Wooden's UCLA, South Carolina women's basketball sucks because they aren't U Conn women's.

Maybe it's time for a new hobby?
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Yawn......................
 
oldrunner said:
Some coaches fear that making athletes employees is too much change to the coach/player relationship. I don't really see it that way. So they get all the benefits of an employee, that isn't a horrible situation. More costly? Yes. Employment contracts could be developed to protect the athlete and the school. Why should it be any different than the contracts used to hire coaches or faculty members? The NCAA could still be a mediator, set guidelines, and arbitrate any disputes. Contracts could include incentives and buyout clauses. Maybe some sanity could be returned to the situation.
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Wow! Never thought of this angle. Makes sense to me.
 
uofmman1122 said:
It's funny, you used to include MSU in these dumb comparisons, but now that we've crushed them, suddenly we shouldn't be emulating what they've been doing for the last 5 years? What changed?

We just beat NDSU by following their formula:
Get a high playoff seed so we can have all our playoff games at home and rush the ball with a great defense.

You suck on NDSU(a team we just beat)'s nuts, while slamming our staff for losing to NFL talent-laden SDSU. When's the last time NDSU beat the bunnies? Would it shock you to learn they haven't beaten them since 2019?
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I'll leave the nut-sucking to you. You seem to enjoy talking about it so much. By the way, I have never included MSU in any comparison to NDSU or SDSU. I did say they have passed us under Bobby the past 5 seasons, and I stand firmly by it. Last season was NOT the norm for Hauck, it was an outlier season just like his 7-6 fourth season at UNLV was an outlier, surrounded by four 2-win seasons out of the five years he was there. Remember, the Cats came withing three end zone baseline inches of beating SDSU on their home field, as well as beating Hauck 3 of 5 games. One season does not make a good head coach. Hauck 2.0 has produced less than a solid performance. Anyone who understands football knows this. Obviously, you don't fall into that group.
 
SaskGriz said:
So you will be bitter and unhappy until we win 8 in 11 years like NDSU? And if we do then your bitch will be we should have moved up because those 8 National Titles came against lousy opposition since "all the good teams moved up"?

U Conn men's basketball sucks because they aren't Coach Wooden's UCLA, South Carolina women's basketball sucks because they aren't U Conn women's.

Maybe it's time for a new hobby?
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Look at the three posters who "liked your laughable post". If the three of them consolidated their football knowledge, and wrote it all down, it wouldn't fill a sticky note
 
thirdandlong said:
I'll leave the nut-sucking to you. You seem to enjoy talking about it so much. By the way, I have never included MSU in any comparison to NDSU or SDSU. I did say they have passed us under Bobby the past 5 seasons, and I stand firmly by it. Last season was NOT the norm for Hauck, it was an outlier season just like his 7-6 fourth season at UNLV was an outlier, surrounded by four 2-win seasons out of the five years he was there. Remember, the Cats came withing three end zone baseline inches of beating SDSU on their home field, as well as beating Hauck 3 of 5 games. One season does not make a good head coach. Hauck 2.0 has produced less than a solid performance. Anyone who understands football knows this. Obviously, you don't fall into that group.
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Vigen's only beaten Hauck once, so that must have been a fluke, too. He also has less wins than Bobby. Imagine being a worse coach on the Steve scale than Bobby Hauck.

And for someone who ragged on anyone last offseason about praising our close losses, it's funny how it's suddenly a monumental achievement from a cat team that lost 4 games last season.
 
thirdandlong said:
And you never played ANY sport at ANY level, princess. I own you, and what is funny is, you know it too
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I actually played fullback for the U of M rugby team as an 18 year old and then played keeper for the U of M club soccer team when we won an open tournament in Missoula when Mike Trevathan was my starting right back.
 
I think a private equity firm is going to set up their own conference and poach the biggest programs from each major conference. Schools have established they'll follow the money and some group is going to come along that'll offer more than what the SEC, Big whatever, etc. are paying.

At this point the NCAA is just relegated to rule enforcement, sponsoring championships, establishing game rule sets, etc. The only incentive I see to leave the NCAA is to get control of the basketball tournament money and that's definitely worth pursuing.
 
footballdood said:
I think a private equity firm is going to set up their own conference and poach the biggest programs from each major conference. Schools have established they'll follow the money and some group is going to come along that'll offer more than what the SEC, Big whatever, etc. are paying.

At this point the NCAA is just relegated to rule enforcement, sponsoring championships, establishing game rule sets, etc. The only incentive I see to leave the NCAA is to get control of the basketball tournament money and that's definitely worth pursuing.
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“To leave the ncaa”? Please clarify.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Vigen's only beaten Hauck once, so that must have been a fluke, too. He also has less wins than Bobby. Imagine being a worse coach on the Steve scale than Bobby Hauck.

And for someone who ragged on anyone last offseason about praising our close losses, it's funny how it's suddenly a monumental achievement from a cat team that lost 4 games last season.
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They didn't play three pre-conference patsies like Bobby did. At least one of them was an away game against the national champions, SDSU, and they lost only by inches, instead of getting stream-rolled by SDSU like we did in the NC game. Their other losses were to us, and to NDSU by ONE POINT in the playoffs, and to a good Idaho team on the road by 3. So, three of their losses were to two teams who played for the NC, and another team we we needed a miracle at home to beat in OT during the playoffs. In fact, all of their losses were to playoff teams. Much tougher schedule than ours. We were humiliated by a mediocre NAU team. I was there, and it was a total embarrassment by Bobby's team.

Yeah, we man-handled the Cats in Missoula last season, but they man-handled us twice during Bobby 2.0, so there is that. 500 rushing yards? You lose all credibility when you can't admit that during the past 5 seasons under Bobby, the Cats have had a better program. Will it change in the future? I guess we'll find out this fall. By the way, why don't you go on record now in predicting whether Bobby can beat the Cats in Bozo this fall? I don't think we'll be favored going into that game, do you? So, if Bobby loses, he'll be 2-4 against Cats. Will you still support him then?
 
mthoopsfan said:
Then the scholarship should be taxable.
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Would the easier solution be to just convert “scholarship” language to one-year employee contracts? So “scholarships” no longer exist, but they are converted to a monetary 1 year contract. E.g, the player “signs” what is similar to a 1 year LOA contract to MUS employees. Takes care of the tax thing and then the “contract” is approved/not approved on a yearly basis - instead of being a “hiring committee” that does the approval/non-approval, it’d be coaching staff and possibly an academic advisor? Just throwing hypotheticals out.
 
MissoulaMarinerFan said:
Would the easier solution be to just convert “scholarship” language to one-year employee contracts? So “scholarships” no longer exist, but they are converted to a monetary 1 year contract. E.g, the player “signs” what is similar to a 1 year LOA contract to MUS employees. Takes care of the tax thing and then the “contract” is approved/not approved on a yearly basis - instead of being a “hiring committee” that does the approval/non-approval, it’d be coaching staff and possibly an academic advisor? Just throwing hypotheticals out.
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Then the “income” would clearly be taxable.
 
thirdandlong said:
They didn't play three pre-conference patsies like Bobby did. At least one of them was an away game against the national champions, SDSU, and they lost only by inches, instead of getting stream-rolled by SDSU like we did in the NC game. Their other losses were to us, and to NDSU by ONE POINT in the playoffs, and to a good Idaho team on the road by 3. So, three of their losses were to two teams who played for the NC, and another team we we needed a miracle at home to beat in OT during the playoffs. In fact, all of their losses were to playoff teams. Much tougher schedule than ours. We were humiliated by a mediocre NAU team. I was there, and it was a total embarrassment by Bobby's team.

Yeah, we man-handled the Cats in Missoula last season, but they man-handled us twice during Bobby 2.0, so there is that. 500 rushing yards? You lose all credibility when you can't admit that during the past 5 seasons under Bobby, the Cats have had a better program. Will it change in the future? I guess we'll find out this fall. By the way, why don't you go on record now in predicting whether Bobby can beat the Cats in Bozo this fall? I don't think we'll be favored going into that game, do you? So, if Bobby loses, he'll be 2-4 against Cats. Will you still support him then?
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It’s incredible how many excuses you’ll make for the cats, but the Griz have to be better than perfect lmao

Just go cheer for them
 
mthoopsfan said:
Then the “income” would clearly be taxable.
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Tax will be the least of everyone's worries, as soon as payment is established and benefits have a monetary value placed on them schools will start grossing up the payments to the "employee" to accommodate for any tax levied. The new burden of all the tax consequences will start to be with the new "athlete employee" accounting for these taxes if they actually materialize and the new staff the University will need to hire to manage this mess...
 
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