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mthoopsfan
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58% passing is pretty mediocre. Which good college qb's throw about 58%? Every qb in the condference had a higher completion percentage, except for Jacob of No. Colo.58% is plenty accurate especially when you can add 50-100+ rushing yds pg as a QB... Lots of good QBs throw around that percentage.. also stats really don't compare unless the said players have had the exact same amount of snaps and played the exact same teams.
McDowell averaged 50 yards per game last season. If you take his 753 yards, and divide by only 13 games, then he averaged 58 yards (I gave him a break for not starting all games).
In the playoffs, McDowell had 189 yards in 51 carries 51 carries. 47 yards per game. 2, 17, 118 and 52 yards, in reverse order. So, he averaged 3.7 per carry. He lost 92 yards in the playoffs.
So, no, you can't add 50 -100 per game for rushing.
He averaged just under 180 yards per game passing in the playoffs.
mthoopsfan
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Yes, I think our qb's are capable of leading UM to the national championship game, and a better chance than McDowell would have of doing it.
mthoopsfan
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My view is that Fife was brought him for depth/experience after McDowell left.
mthoopsfan
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You have to have watched the qb's to see how they are doing this spring. And Fife is new to the program. That's why. Also, talking to the coaches also helps figure out who's doing well.
BelierPeaux
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I know the QB club is updated on the practice schedule.
"X" (formerly twitter) hasn't posted much but some video
Fair enough. Time will tell, I guess.
Brint has posted a couple of write ups here.
He averaged 186 during the regular season (Idaho State-Montana State), so not a huge drop.
NDSU and SDSU effectively eliminated his running/scrambling ability, and got to him for losses (as you pointed out, and as you would expect great defenses to do), which was much more impactful to his success.
He averaged 58% passing in the regular season, 54.6% in 4 playoff games. Again, that's not a horrific drop off (in fact, the QB's we played AGAINST saw much more material deterioration in their passing success against our defense).
His WR's didn't help him against SDSU much...four egregious drops where he hit them right in the hands.
He went 10-1 as a starter. I find it incredulous that people are complaining about his performance. If he could complete 65% of his passes he'd never have fallen to the FCS level.
Brint posted this --
"Without giving anything too secret away the simple answer at QB is that they're all taking reps and getting chances to see how they work with most of the first team on offense. I think Ah Yat / Vidlak / Huot have the advantage of more familiarity with the offense while Fife is working his way in. It's hard to say at this point if Fife is going to really push Ah Yat for the job, but also I've been impressed with what I've seen from both Vidlak and Huot at times as well. I've only seen a few practices but overall I think as a group QB play has elevated, it is clear this offense doesn't really have that +1 run game that Cliff brought though.
Much like last years spring camp though a vast majority of expected starters on defense are getting far more rest as the coaches are clearly looking to see who's going to battle for depth spots. We saw this last year - the QBs were dicing up RS frosh & walk on DBs, and then come fall camp and early in the season the skill level in the secondary went way up."
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I believe televised on SWX? Is that a thing? For specifics, I know that Riley gave them out on the recent Inside the Den that he had Pawlak and Hauck on for. It will be on TV or radio, because he is on the call.
I'm definitely going to the spring game with two friends from out of town. Mrs. Elrod will not be in attendance, so I will be louder and more annoying than usual if anyone would like to grab a drink before or after the game. Shoot me a DM here or a text in real life if ya know me, and all are welcome to join.
I don't know that I've ever been to a spring game in Missoula. Is there a tailgating scene on Friday?
Oldskoolgriz
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Well, I guess we will all see a small sample of what each QB has to offer this Spring game. Last year's game, I'm pretty sure every QB got to play. But when the season rolls around, I have a feeling BH will do what he did last year regarding the QBs. He will give us 2 names, Montana "OR" Young. And just because Montana's name is first doesn't mean he's the starter. We will go with a 2 QB system until a starter emerges from this group. That's just my opinion on how I think it will work out. Either way, I'm excited to watch these kids play again. It's amazing how fast this turnaround was. I'm actually looking forward to seeing how Grossman came back from last year's injury. Now we have 2 good TEs. Hopefully Schaefer has worked on the holding this off-season, haha but I still think he's a great TE. And I hope Junior is ok because we need that kid. Can't wait til Saturday, Spring Game followed by UFC 300!!! Go GRIZ!!!
mthoopsfan
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Did you answer the question of whether McDowell played well in the playoffs?I don't know a single person who thought he did. He didn't make as many big/important plays. He didn't pick up as many important first downs, and 3d down conversions, as he had earlier in the season.
I did answer it. He didn't. And neither did any of the other QB's we played against. ALL played below their season averages.
mthoopsfan
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UM probably wouldn't have gotten to Frisco without McDowell emerging. The only chance would have been later emergence of Ay Yat or Vidlak, and then a hot streak later in the season.
Without Bergen and Gubner, UM wouldn't have gotten to Frisco. There is no way anyone could have replaced them. I'm not sure UM would have gotten to Frisco without Hill, as he made a lot of plays and big plays. Riley Wilson? The corners? Obviously, it takes a team to get to Frisco, and for the Griz, a great D.
I said right after McDowell went to the Portal, that I'd be fine with him coming back. I could set the he screwed up in leaving abruptly. I liked McDowell and what he did for the team. He really came on as the season went on, but later he stopped improving and I think went backwards. If his return and he wouldn't be disruptive, now and later, I'd be fine with him being on the team. The disruptive thing would be a big concern, in my mind, and it's impossible to know now what might happen later in that regard. Had he just stayed, he had the potential to be better and more consistent next fall.
Without Bergen and Gubner, UM wouldn't have gotten to Frisco. There is no way anyone could have replaced them. I'm not sure UM would have gotten to Frisco without Hill, as he made a lot of plays and big plays. Riley Wilson? The corners? Obviously, it takes a team to get to Frisco, and for the Griz, a great D.
I said right after McDowell went to the Portal, that I'd be fine with him coming back. I could set the he screwed up in leaving abruptly. I liked McDowell and what he did for the team. He really came on as the season went on, but later he stopped improving and I think went backwards. If his return and he wouldn't be disruptive, now and later, I'd be fine with him being on the team. The disruptive thing would be a big concern, in my mind, and it's impossible to know now what might happen later in that regard. Had he just stayed, he had the potential to be better and more consistent next fall.
mthoopsfan
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I'm not talking about season averages. I'm talking about how he played. How he played is different than season averages. While stats are part of the analysis, there is much more. And, in my view, UM's D was better than the D's of those other teams and should have disrupted those qb's more.
You think our defense was better than SDSU's? I would think those all-world QB's would have performed materially better than McDowell did, regardless.
Delaware starter O'Conner 17/36 (47.2%) - Season average 55.86%, an 8.6% drop off
Furman starter Huff 16/47 (34%) - Season average 61.13%, a 27% drop off
NDSU starter Miller 9/22 (40.9%) - Season average 71.9%, a 31% drop off
SDSU starter 13/21 (61.9%) - Season average 68.8%, a 6.9% drop off
McDowell 54.6% in playoffs - Season average 58%, a 3.4% drop off
Compared to season averages, McDowell outperformed every single playoff QB he faced. And yet, I don't think he played that well. It's a testament to the complete team Bobby built, in all three phases of the game.
Honestly, I think part of the perception problem is that he absolutely peaked in the Griz/Cat game. Completing 77+% of his passes for 200 yards and rushing for 69 more. But I also think MSU's D was vastly overrated...
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