Info from Playoff Committee Chair...

[Ursa Major]

From the above Q&A:

"You can look on one hand and one team may have had a better strength of schedule, another one may have had better losses, another may have had a player who was injured for one of those losses."

Told you so. The committee, and most anyone who knows what they are doing in terms of analyzing and ranking teams, looks at the quality of the losses.

The next person who makes fun of quality losses should be sentenced to MB.

:lol: :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

From the above Q&A:

"You can look on one hand and one team may have had a better strength of schedule, another one may have had better losses, another may have had a player who was injured for one of those losses."

Told you so. The committee, and most anyone who knows what they are doing in terms of analyzing and ranking teams, looks at the quality of the losses.

The next person who makes fun of quality losses should be sentenced to MB.

Then Bozeman State is a fucking LOCK for the playoffs.

 

[bgbigdog]

Are we gonna get rolled?

 

[Jaredkuehn]

Southern Utah is quietly one of the best teams in the conference...has been now for a few years.

Might be a little generous; 30-29 ('12-'16)

Statistics can be fun! Now lets make them work to fit my narrative.

2015 through week 11 of 2017 (not sure why you exclude this season?)

Total Record 22-11
BSC Record 18-5
Home game Record 13-1

With a home win this weekend, they'd lock up at least a share of the Big Sky Conference title two out of the last three years. They are one of only two BSC teams to beat a (ranked) MVC team this year.

My money is on the T-birds this weekend :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

From the above Q&A:

"You can look on one hand and one team may have had a better strength of schedule, another one may have had better losses, another may have had a player who was injured for one of those losses."

Told you so. The committee, and most anyone who knows what they are doing in terms of analyzing and ranking teams, looks at the quality of the losses.

The next person who makes fun of quality losses should be sentenced to MB.

Then Bozeman State is a f***[*] LOCK for the playoffs.

Here's another quote from the Q&A. Another good loss quote.

"We certainly paid attention to a win over an FBS team and to a close game against an FBS team."

 

[AZGrizFan]

From the above Q&A:

"You can look on one hand and one team may have had a better strength of schedule, another one may have had better losses, another may have had a player who was injured for one of those losses."

Told you so. The committee, and most anyone who knows what they are doing in terms of analyzing and ranking teams, looks at the quality of the losses.

The next person who makes fun of quality losses should be sentenced to MB.

Then Bozeman State is a f***[*] LOCK for the playoffs.

Here's another quote from the Q&A. Another good loss quote.

"We certainly paid attention to a win over an FBS team and to a close game against an FBS team."

so beating Nevada is better than losing to Washington?

 

[ordigger]

Southern Utah is quietly one of the best teams in the conference...has been now for a few years.

Might be a little generous; 30-29 ('12-'16)

Probably not 22-11 ('15-'17)

 

[HookedonGriz]

Does anyone know where to find the current rankings for the SRS heading into the final week.
Simple Rating System (RPI stye metric for college football).

This would appear to be last years SRS for the FCS... maybe they only release the end of season one?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/simple-ratings-system (again that last year around selection time)

Here are the current Jeff Sagarin rankings for all FCS teams heading into the final weekend:
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm


After the loss to the bobcats last year in Missoula, the Griz finished the season 6-5 but were still ranked as the #29 team by the SRS as they had good strength of schedule and some quality wins. That's how close the Griz were to making the playoffs. Only had to beat the cats at Home or perhaps just UNC on the road.

Unfortunately the bastards only publicize them after the season is over and the playoffs begin. They don't want us to be privy to such details I guess.

 

[Brother Bear]

Thanks Hooked...

 

[ordigger]

Does anyone know where to find the current rankings for the SRS heading into the final week.
Simple Rating System (RPI stye metric for college football).

This would appear to be last years SRS for the FCS... maybe they only release the end of season one?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/simple-ratings-system (again that last year around selection time)

Here are the current Jeff Sagarin rankings for all FCS teams heading into the final weekend:
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm



After the loss to the bobcats last year in Missoula, the Griz finished the season 6-5 but were still ranked as the #29 team by the SRS as they had good strength of schedule and some quality wins. That's how close the Griz were to making the playoffs. Only had to beat the cats at Home or perhaps just UNC on the road.

Unfortunately the bastards only publicize them after the season is over and the playoffs begin. They don't want us to be privy to such details I guess.

Look like Montana is 23rd, but some schools ahead of them like Youngstown State & Richmond, already have 5 losses, and neither will be in the playoffs. If the Sagarin rankings are even slightly accurate, there is a good chance that 4 Big Sky teams will go, assuming both NAU and UM win this weekend. And even if one loses, EWU could still sneak in.

 

[GrizLA]

I still think it's a 75/25 chance Griz are in but that 25 left to a committee is scary.

Very much agree... scary to think it comes down to these people voting... Dilly Dilly this team is in :shock:

Current members of the selection committee are:

CENTRAL REGION CENTRAL REGION
Brian Hutchinson, chair
Director of Athletics
Morehead State University

Kyle Moats
Director of Athletics
Missouri State University

CENTRAL REGION EAST REGION
Greg Seitz
Director of Athletics
Jacksonville State University

Nathan Pine
Director of Athletics
College of the Holy Cross

EAST REGION EAST REGION
Marty Scarano
Director of Athletics
University of New Hampshire

Paul Schlickmann
Director of Athletics
Central Connecticut State University

SOUTH REGION SOUTH REGION
Chuck BurchDirector of Athletics
Gardner-Webb University

Richard Johnson
Director of Athletics
Wofford College

WEST REGION WEST REGION
Brad Teague
Director of Athletics
University of Central Arkansas

Jeff Tingey
Director of Athletics
Idaho State University

Having watched Wofford roll over very weak teams, I have been puzzled at how they are so highly rated. Now, I see.

 

[PlayerRep]

From the above Q&A:

"You can look on one hand and one team may have had a better strength of schedule, another one may have had better losses, another may have had a player who was injured for one of those losses."

Told you so. The committee, and most anyone who knows what they are doing in terms of analyzing and ranking teams, looks at the quality of the losses.

The next person who makes fun of quality losses should be sentenced to MB.

Then Bozeman State is a f***[*] LOCK for the playoffs.

Here's another quote from the Q&A. Another good loss quote.

"We certainly paid attention to a win over an FBS team and to a close game against an FBS team."

so beating Nevada is better than losing to Washington?

Yes, Nevada was a win over a weaker FBS team. The UM loss to UW looks like a bad loss because of the score (it was not a close loss), but assume it won't be counted much against UM as UW is very good. A close loss to UW would look better, and is certainly better than a blowout loss. See how easy that is.

 

[grizband]

Then Bozeman State is a f***[*] LOCK for the playoffs.

Here's another quote from the Q&A. Another good loss quote.

"We certainly paid attention to a win over an FBS team and to a close game against an FBS team."

so beating Nevada is better than losing to Washington?

Yes, Nevada was a win over a weaker FBS team. The UM loss to UW looks like a bad loss because of the score (it was not a close loss), but assume it won't be counted much against UM as UW is very good. A close loss to UW would look better, and is certainly better than a blowout loss. See how easy that is.

Also notice the part where he stated an FBS loss, if it's only one, won't hurt a team. So yes, a win or close loss could help, but a loss shouldn't hurt.

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[66volvo]

Committee should recognize that Cookus was NOT injured in our win against them, he was ejected and does not, therefore, meet their written and stated criteria for "injured player."

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

Griz among handful of Big Sky teams in heated race for FCS Playoff spots entering rivalry game https://skylinesportsmt.com/griz-among-four-big-sky-teams-in-heated-race-for-fcs-playoff-spots/

 

[AZDoc]

Committee should recognize that Cookus was NOT injured in our win against them, he was ejected and does not, therefore, meet their written and stated criteria for "injured player."

Darn skippy!

 

[kyle_sample]

Kyle what are your thoughts if the Griz win this weekend? I can't imagine they wouldn't be in. I think if they win they wouldn't get a seed and likely host either University of San Diego or a team from the MSVC in Missoula next weekend. My hope is Southern Utah beats NAU this weekend so they would be a seeded team and a chance the Griz could get them in Utah the next weekend if Griz win round 1.

I came up with this the other day. I didn't list Eastern, I probably should have right along with New Hampshire and Nicholls

The other morning I saw Craig Haley's latest bracket and I decided to waste my day going through the FCS to see who was in and who was on the bubble and where Montana fits into that. I don't have any fancy algorithms or anything. This is pretty basic. But this is what I came to:

In – (19 – I don’t think USD is going to beat SDSU, though they could shock me and this would jump to 20)
SUU, Weber, James Madison, Elon, Stony Brook, NDSU, SDSU, Western Illinois, Northern Iowa/USD (both in with wins), Jacksonville St., Lehigh/Colgate, San Diego, Wofford, Samford, Central Conn. St., Central Arkansas, Sam Houston St., Nicholls/McNeese, Kennesaw St.

Bubble (5 remaining) – ranked in order of strongest case to weakest;
• Furman 7-3 (vs. top 25: 0-2 (by combined 4 points; best win: Western Carolina (7-4); bad loss: none; knock: record vs. top 25; plus: won 7 straight; in with a win over Samford
• Montana 7-3 (vs. top 25: 1-2; best win: Northern Arizona 7-3; bad loss: none; knock: weak non-conf; plus: won 5 of 6; played season with back-up QBs)
• NAU 7-3 (vs. top 25: 1-1; best win: Illinois State 6-4; bad loss: none; knock: faltered down the stretch; plus: tied for conference lead)
• Delaware 7-3 (vs. top 25: 1-1; best win: @ Stony Brook (8-2); bad loss: @ Towson (4-6); knock: weak non-conf; plus: top 15 win)
• New Hampshire 7-3 (vs. top 25: 1-1; best win: vs. Elon (8-2); loss: Holy Cross (4-7); knock: weak non-conf; plus: top 15 win)
• Nicholls – 8-2 (vs. top 25: 1-1; best win: McNeese (8-2); bad loss: none; knock: beaten 66-17 by SHSU; plus: one loss against FCS)
• Monmouth 9-1 (vs. top 25: 0-0; best win: Bucknell 5-5; bad loss: Albany (3-7); knock: weak non-conf, plays in a weak conference, no good win; plus: tied for conference lead)
• McNeese 8-2 (vs. top 25: 0-2; best win: SE Louisiana (5-5); bad loss: none; knock: weak non-conf, no good wins; plus: overall record)
• Austin Peay 7-4 (vs. top 25*: 0-1; best win: Tennessee St (6-4); bad loss: none; knock: no good wins; plus: very difficult non-conf scheduling
• Eastern Illinois 6-4 (vs. top 25: 0-2; best win: Tennessee St. 6-4; bad loss: Tennessee Martin (5-5); knock: no good wins; plus: could finish take second in OVC)

*as currently ranked in coaches poll
^ USD would become a bubble team after loss to SDSU, but I don’t think they deserve entry with a 4-4, 7-4 record that would make them 1-3 against the top 25 and losers of 3 straight
^^ I thought the bubble rankings were contingent upon wins, then I realized I had NAU as an at large, which they would not be if they beat SUU. If NAU wins, it would drop Weber to an at large and I would then rank the at larges in this order: 1. Weber; 2. Montana (it would vault Furman because it beat a conference champion); 3. Furman; 4. Delaware; 5. New Hampshire and so on....

 

[grzz]

Committee should recognize that Cookus was NOT injured in our win against them, he was ejected and does not, therefore, meet their written and stated criteria for "injured player."

This. I'm sorry, but he got kicked out of a game for violating a rule the NCAA put in. That isn't an injury, they shouldn't give NAU some kind of benefit because of it. His hit violated the rule based on the refes judgement, he got ejected.

 

[behappp]

Austin Peay has lost to 3 FBS teams: Cincinnati, Miami of Ohio and UCF and also has 1 loss to #2 ranked Jacksonville State.
Will be interesting to see how things play out if they lose to Eastern Illinois Saturday. Austin Peay would be 7-5.

The athletic Director of Jacksonville State was talking at half about being on the selection committee and the process

 

[Fahque]

I just had read that article and was coming here to post it. Some very interesting insight. His comment about "did a key player get injured in a loss" is alarming for me (think Cookus). It shows these guys absolutely do drill down to the brass tacks. I stick by my comment, especially after this, that Griz need to be 8-3 and need some outside help. I still think it's a 75/25 chance Griz are in but that 25 left to a committee is scary.

That argument could be made in favor of the Griz though. Despite being on our fourth string quarterback, we still beat an NAU team with their second string quarterback. With our starting quarterback we possibly could’ve blown them out