EWU AD Chaves to UND

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

It would be interesting to see what evidence you have of this. With the possible exception of Weber, football is the driver for these programs. Splitting sports across different conferences is not viewed favorably nor would being in a Midwest conference. Much of the BSC is deplorable (Montana's four conf. road games have averaged 878 attendance), but moving BBall to a Midwest conf. does not show obvious benefit to the AD.

Mbb in the Summit has actually been stronger than the Sky. The schools the Summit will lose are the dregs of that league too. Nobody likes to travel to Montana and Idaho in the winter and same holds for the Dakotas. Birds of feather need to hold together. You new President is smart enough to realize that.

Ever since Idaho lost WAC football, some big plan has been hatched that will form a new FBS league with capable players. Incidentally, the Griz, Cats, and Weber have all FBS ready stadiums and just added new athlete workout facilities, which are a must for FBS.

The MWC idea that some of you fans and NDSU delusionals often talk about isn't of mutual interest to the MWC and is just too expensive. Th Griz have a group of schools that will be like a NW Sun Belt except much higher academics which the Presidents love but their fans are just too profoundly ignorant of it.

Years ago I listened to relatives who worked in athletics in Bozeman who discussed the scenario you're posting. They felt a conference comprised of the flagship universities of both Dakotas, both Montana schools, both Idaho schools (this was way before the junior college upgraded themselves in Boise), Wyoming, Weber and Utah State could form a decent regional conference. It obviously didn't happen then and I doubt it'll happen within the foreseeable future. North Dakota and Wyoming still has far too much money for the Montana, Idaho and Utah schools to compete with your teams given your ability to provide full cost of attendance to all athletes. If Utah is able to develop some of their resources and manage their funds from them as your state is doing, it's possible although highly unlikely. The Montana politics are simply too fractured to ever be a progressive state again.

Utah St, Wyoming, and Boise would never stoop to that level unless the MWC completely disintegrated.

Omaha and Denver have serious hockey interests, so UND is an essential partner for them.

The league makes sense on many levels and now just need leaders with balls to pull the trigger. Think this has been in the works for years, ever since UND was invited to the Big Sky.

GRIZ fans think Portland St and Sac St are important, but they have no fan bases. Playing in a higher level league will get more games with Washington St, Washington, Oregon, and Oregon St, which is what your President wants. Portland St gives you a nice outstate venue for Griz fans to congregate as long as the Timber have not pushed the Vikings to Hillsborough HS, but nothing else.

The prior league commissioner destroyed this conference. Very little regional competition nor interest in the flagship institutions fanbase to attend another state's directional or commuter school competitions with our schools. Charter member school fans outnumber home team fans in virtually every athletic event that is not with another charter member school. We can still schedule your school for nonconference games but it is highly unlikely given our budget issues as a state we're going to see any discussion for realignment anytime soon. All that's holding this school upright financially are a few private donors who refuse to let it slip much more.

 

[marceagfan5]

UND has a larger budget than NDSU or the Griz. Much of it doesn t show up on UNDs budget, as 2/3 rds of ticket prices go to the Ralph charitable foundation and aren't accounted for on the UND books.

Montana, MT State, Idaho, and Weber will join the Summit soon. Chaves tried to fundraise for an expanded stadium, as a way to join them, but EWU fans are not capable of grand plans.

So instead of being left behind with the Big Sky dregs, he smartly jumped ship, just like NAU's AD did. There is will be no money when the Big dogs have left the Sky.

I sorta think UND is the "dregs" of the BSC....sorry. It is a tie between Northern Colorado and und

For a school that swept the big four spectator Big Sky championships last year, mbb, wbb, fb, and vb, last year and men's hockey is our top sport in attendance, guess your right the UND is a dreg as it shows the other schools how to be competitive. Know that vb isn't a big deal in Missoula because your teams have been really bad and the Griz just don't care, but the vb team actually sold out games in Grand Forks and was nationally ranked.

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

UND has a larger budget than NDSU or the Griz. Much of it doesn t show up on UNDs budget, as 2/3 rds of ticket prices go to the Ralph charitable foundation and aren't accounted for on the UND books.

Montana, MT State, Idaho, and Weber will join the Summit soon. Chaves tried to fundraise for an expanded stadium, as a way to join them, but EWU fans are not capable of grand plans.

So instead of being left behind with the Big Sky dregs, he smartly jumped ship, just like NAU's AD did. There is will be no money when the Big dogs have left the Sky.

I sorta think UND is the "dregs" of the BSC....sorry. It is a tie between Northern Colorado and und

For a school that swept the big four spectator Big Sky championships last year, mbb, wbb, fb, and vb, last year and men's hockey is our top sport in attendance, guess your right the UND is a dreg as it shows the other schools how to be competitive. Know that vb isn't a big deal in Missoula because your teams have been really bad and the Griz just don't care, but the vb team actually sold out games in Grand Forks and was nationally ranked.

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

I love that these conference battles occur on eGriz.com. Fight about which one is a worse member. GO!

 

[UNDfan]

UND has a larger budget than NDSU or the Griz. Much of it doesn t show up on UNDs budget, as 2/3 rds of ticket prices go to the Ralph charitable foundation and aren't accounted for on the UND books.

Montana, MT State, Idaho, and Weber will join the Summit soon. Chaves tried to fundraise for an expanded stadium, as a way to join them, but EWU fans are not capable of grand plans.

So instead of being left behind with the Big Sky dregs, he smartly jumped ship, just like NAU's AD did. There is will be no money when the Big dogs have left the Sky.

I sorta think UND is the "dregs" of the BSC....sorry. It is a tie between Northern Colorado and und

For a school that swept the big four spectator Big Sky championships last year, mbb, wbb, fb, and vb, last year and men's hockey is our top sport in attendance, guess your right the UND is a dreg as it shows the other schools how to be competitive. Know that vb isn't a big deal in Missoula because your teams have been really bad and the Griz just don't care, but the vb team actually sold out games in Grand Forks and was nationally ranked.

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

The Griz fans want us gone as you haven't won a damn thing since we joined. But I bet your admin feels much differently.

Griz fans complain about the weakest members, but will miss them because the Griz actually win sometimes. Talk about a bipolar fan base.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

I sorta think UND is the "dregs" of the BSC....sorry. It is a tie between Northern Colorado and und

For a school that swept the big four spectator Big Sky championships last year, mbb, wbb, fb, and vb, last year and men's hockey is our top sport in attendance, guess your right the UND is a dreg as it shows the other schools how to be competitive. Know that vb isn't a big deal in Missoula because your teams have been really bad and the Griz just don't care, but the vb team actually sold out games in Grand Forks and was nationally ranked.

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

I love that these conference battles occur on eGriz.com. Fight about which one is a worse member. GO!

I like that too and I appreciate the mods will not let anyone rip the kids playing apart! Coaches and other employees of the university ought to be called out for piss poor performance. In fact I enjoy reading certain posters continually calling other idiots idiots...

 

[marceagfan5]

I sorta think UND is the "dregs" of the BSC....sorry. It is a tie between Northern Colorado and und

For a school that swept the big four spectator Big Sky championships last year, mbb, wbb, fb, and vb, last year and men's hockey is our top sport in attendance, guess your right the UND is a dreg as it shows the other schools how to be competitive. Know that vb isn't a big deal in Missoula because your teams have been really bad and the Griz just don't care, but the vb team actually sold out games in Grand Forks and was nationally ranked.

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

The Griz fans want us gone as you haven't won a damn thing since we joined. But I bet your admin feels much differently.

Griz fans complain about the weakest members, but will miss them because the Griz actually win sometimes. Talk about a bipolar fan base.

The logistics of grand forks in a western conference was never going to work....

UND is better where they are going and the BSC is better without UND. Everyone wins...

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

For a school that swept the big four spectator Big Sky championships last year, mbb, wbb, fb, and vb, last year and men's hockey is our top sport in attendance, guess your right the UND is a dreg as it shows the other schools how to be competitive. Know that vb isn't a big deal in Missoula because your teams have been really bad and the Griz just don't care, but the vb team actually sold out games in Grand Forks and was nationally ranked.

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

The Griz fans want us gone as you haven't won a damn thing since we joined. But I bet your admin feels much differently.

Griz fans complain about the weakest members, but will miss them because the Griz actually win sometimes. Talk about a bipolar fan base.

The logistics of grand forks in a western conference was never going to work....

UND is better where they are going and the BSC is better without UND. Everyone wins...

But meanwhile the BSC is stuck with you and several schools like yours. At least the four Dakota flagship schools have a regional conference affiliation with good schools. Again, we are stuck with you and similar schools as are the two Idaho schools, Weber and even BYU is left out. When the WAC got so huge, like the BSC, is destroyed any regional interest hence the MWC and the demise of the WAC. Now UNLV and Nevada will continue to deterioriate because they have no business in that conference. What about San Jose State. Many viable universities that could actually form a nice 12 to 14 team conference.

 

[UNDfan]

The Portland St, NAU, and EWU Ad's have left recently because they don't want to feel the wrath of irate fans when their told about a Big Sky split. The new PSU AD came from DIII Willamette College. Big time for PSU.

The Portland St board is livid because they think a Big Sky split will be happening soon and they will be on the wrong side.

But meanwhile the Griz board is just totally naive, just happy that Hauck is back.

 

[marceagfan5]

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

The Griz fans want us gone as you haven't won a damn thing since we joined. But I bet your admin feels much differently.

Griz fans complain about the weakest members, but will miss them because the Griz actually win sometimes. Talk about a bipolar fan base.

The logistics of grand forks in a western conference was never going to work....

UND is better where they are going and the BSC is better without UND. Everyone wins...

But meanwhile the BSC is stuck with you and several schools like yours. At least the four Dakota flagship schools have a regional conference affiliation with good schools. Again, we are stuck with you and similar schools as are the two Idaho schools, Weber and even BYU is left out. When the WAC got so huge, like the BSC, is destroyed any regional interest hence the MWC and the demise of the WAC. Now UNLV and Nevada will continue to deterioriate because they have no business in that conference. What about San Jose State. Many viable universities that could actually form a nice 12 to 14 team conference.

The Big Sky is lucky to have both Montana schools...but it’s not like other conferences are beating down the door asking UM to join. Your enrollment has dropped to last or 2nd to last in the conference and Western Montana isn’t a huge market in terms of viewership.

I do think a split is coming and most of the flagship schools will remain together...

 

[HookedonGriz]

I sorta think UND is the "dregs" of the BSC....sorry. It is a tie between Northern Colorado and und

For a school that swept the big four spectator Big Sky championships last year, mbb, wbb, fb, and vb, last year and men's hockey is our top sport in attendance, guess your right the UND is a dreg as it shows the other schools how to be competitive. Know that vb isn't a big deal in Missoula because your teams have been really bad and the Griz just don't care, but the vb team actually sold out games in Grand Forks and was nationally ranked.

You realize no one is begging UND to stay in the BSC right? Congrats on the conference championships last year, how’d it work out for you? And your back to where you belong this year in most sports anyways (at least the ones that matter), the conference doormat...

The Griz fans want us gone as you haven't won a damn thing since we joined. But I bet your admin feels much differently.

Griz fans complain about the weakest members, but will miss them because the Griz actually win sometimes. Talk about a bipolar fan base.

UndFan, you must first realize that marceagfan is as his name suggests....and EWU fan and alum....although their best poster over on this board IMO. So if you are going to spew shit, at least know which fan base you are spewing it at.

As for Grand Forks....great people and community. Lived there for a few years and absolutely fell in love with UND Hockey. Coldest place on earth though!

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

The Griz fans want us gone as you haven't won a damn thing since we joined. But I bet your admin feels much differently.

Griz fans complain about the weakest members, but will miss them because the Griz actually win sometimes. Talk about a bipolar fan base.

The logistics of grand forks in a western conference was never going to work....

UND is better where they are going and the BSC is better without UND. Everyone wins...

But meanwhile the BSC is stuck with you and several schools like yours. At least the four Dakota flagship schools have a regional conference affiliation with good schools. Again, we are stuck with you and similar schools as are the two Idaho schools, Weber and even BYU is left out. When the WAC got so huge, like the BSC, is destroyed any regional interest hence the MWC and the demise of the WAC. Now UNLV and Nevada will continue to deterioriate because they have no business in that conference. What about San Jose State. Many viable universities that could actually form a nice 12 to 14 team conference.

The Big Sky is lucky to have both Montana schools...but it’s not like other conferences are beating down the door asking UM to join. Your enrollment has dropped to last or 2nd to last in the conference and Western Montana isn’t a huge market in terms of viewership.

I do think a split is coming and most of the flagship schools will remain together...

You're correct. If Montana was not broke as is Idaho, this fractured conference would break apart. But because the typical Montana conversation can't see two people agree about the temperature being either hot or cold, there will never be a consenus as to where these two schools belong. The only thing keeping this conference together is the automatic bids. There are better fits for the Montana schools, the Idaho schools, Weber, Utah State, New Mexico State, UTEP, the two Nevada schools, San Jose State, BYU, and heck, even Hawaii than their present conference affiliations.

But as soon as these schools decided to work together, the western belligerent mindset would prevail and the argument as to Group of 5 or I-AA would kill any and all discussions. Table it for next year's round of arguments. It's been this way since the conference decided to tell Gonzaga to go away because they would not play football.

 

[PlayerRep]

The Griz fans want us gone as you haven't won a damn thing since we joined. But I bet your admin feels much differently.

Griz fans complain about the weakest members, but will miss them because the Griz actually win sometimes. Talk about a bipolar fan base.

The logistics of grand forks in a western conference was never going to work....

UND is better where they are going and the BSC is better without UND. Everyone wins...

But meanwhile the BSC is stuck with you and several schools like yours. At least the four Dakota flagship schools have a regional conference affiliation with good schools. Again, we are stuck with you and similar schools as are the two Idaho schools, Weber and even BYU is left out. When the WAC got so huge, like the BSC, is destroyed any regional interest hence the MWC and the demise of the WAC. Now UNLV and Nevada will continue to deterioriate because they have no business in that conference. What about San Jose State. Many viable universities that could actually form a nice 12 to 14 team conference.

The Big Sky is lucky to have both Montana schools...but it’s not like other conferences are beating down the door asking UM to join. Your enrollment has dropped to last or 2nd to last in the conference and Western Montana isn’t a huge market in terms of viewership.

I do think a split is coming and most of the flagship schools will remain together...

What does enrollment have to do with athletic conference participation?

 

[BigSkyBears]

The logistics of grand forks in a western conference was never going to work....

UND is better where they are going and the BSC is better without UND. Everyone wins...

But meanwhile the BSC is stuck with you and several schools like yours. At least the four Dakota flagship schools have a regional conference affiliation with good schools. Again, we are stuck with you and similar schools as are the two Idaho schools, Weber and even BYU is left out. When the WAC got so huge, like the BSC, is destroyed any regional interest hence the MWC and the demise of the WAC. Now UNLV and Nevada will continue to deterioriate because they have no business in that conference. What about San Jose State. Many viable universities that could actually form a nice 12 to 14 team conference.

The Big Sky is lucky to have both Montana schools...but it’s not like other conferences are beating down the door asking UM to join. Your enrollment has dropped to last or 2nd to last in the conference and Western Montana isn’t a huge market in terms of viewership.

I do think a split is coming and most of the flagship schools will remain together...

What does enrollment have to do with athletic conference participation?

Very true. Enrollment wise University of Miami has what, 10,000 or 12,000? Weber State has I believe over 20,000?